Fortlip VS Nedplay/32Red

[AussieDave]

The OP is obviously an advantage player and a manipulator from what I have have read in the first post.

A quick search on Google turned up this:
xxxhttp://www.beatingbonuses.com/forums/member.php?u=19423
(remove xxx)

Even if the conversation had not been taped surely it wouldnt be too difficult to prove that a call had been made to 32RED at a specified time and date.

Who's to say the call was even made?

I think we've established the OP possibly holds the truth loosely.


Cheers



Dave

 

[vinylweatherman]

Beating Bonuses has a thread about beating the new 32Red SUB (and presumably the monthly reloads).
It seems CS are giving conflicting information, and the "advantage" advice is to find a CS that gives you the "right answer", keep a record, and then play.

Is this what has happened here?

Find CS who says each seat on multihand counts as a separate bet, then play. Not keeping a record might be where the OP slipped up, which is why he has resorted to using another player's chat log to prove his case.

The 32Red term ALREADY clarifies the situation for multi hand games, and this is that a DEALER dealt hand is what counts, so the 25% is the accumulation of ALL bets over ALL seats played.

As for doubles & splits, I DON'T think these should count, since they are conditional bets, and the player has no way of knowing whether one is needed until the hands are dealt. Additionally, NOT splitting when appropriate can place the player at a disadvantage. Doubling, however, is debatable, since NOT doubling does NOT affect the chance of the player winning - so maybe ONLY splits should be allowed, and not penalised.

Again - WHY CAN'T THIS BE SORTED THROUGH SOFTWARE ENFORCEMENT, this would end this kind of argument, even if players DIDN'T read or understand the max bet rule.

 

[Tengil]

Beating Bonuses has a thread about beating the new 32Red SUB (and presumably the monthly reloads).
It seems CS are giving conflicting information, and the "advantage" advice is to find a CS that gives you the "right answer", keep a record, and then play.

Is this what has happened here?

Find CS who says each seat on multihand counts as a separate bet, then play. Not keeping a record might be where the OP slipped up, which is why he has resorted to using another player's chat log to prove his case.

The 32Red term ALREADY clarifies the situation for multi hand games, and this is that a DEALER dealt hand is what counts, so the 25% is the accumulation of ALL bets over ALL seats played.

As for doubles & splits, I DON'T think these should count, since they are conditional bets, and the player has no way of knowing whether one is needed until the hands are dealt. Additionally, NOT splitting when appropriate can place the player at a disadvantage. Doubling, however, is debatable, since NOT doubling does NOT affect the chance of the player winning - so maybe ONLY splits should be allowed, and not penalised.

Again - WHY CAN'T THIS BE SORTED THROUGH SOFTWARE ENFORCEMENT, this would end this kind of argument, even if players DIDN'T read or understand the max bet rule.

But was this the case in January? Altough its Nedplay here, the T&Cs (same as 32Red) were updated 11th Feb. Was that the date when this term was added? *For the purposes of this rule a Bet is defined as one roulette spin or one dealer's dealt hand in any table game, or one deal in any Video or Power Poker game (this includes Multi-Hand/Play games).

And dont understand why some try to do their best to cast doubt on OPs "character". Happens every time someone has a complaint.

And if he is a member of BB, what does that matter? And if he has played at 32Red before, what has that to do with this case?
Oh, I forgot. Its 32Red, they cannot possibly do anything wrong. Therefore the OP must some sort of scammer.

Edit: saw that the max bet on slots is 6.25 WTF?

 

[Fortlip]

A quick search on Google turned up this:
xxxhttp://www.beatingbonuses.com/forums/member.php?u=19423
(remove xxx)



Who's to say the call was even made?

I think we've established the OP possibly holds the truth loosely.


Cheers



Dave

Are new members not allowed to leave the forum for a few hours without being flamed and called a manipulater, liar, etc? Max, chime in anytime to quote forum regulations.

Double-check the join date of my account at Beatingbonuses, and do another Google search for threads dealing with 32Red. This site isn't the only place on the web for players to go to find advice. I'll use all options available to me, including legal action and/or UK press coverage if necessary in the end, to recover the $2900 USD balance effectively confiscated by Nedplay/32Red.

 

[Fortlip]

Beating Bonuses has a thread about beating the new 32Red SUB (and presumably the monthly reloads).
It seems CS are giving conflicting information, and the "advantage" advice is to find a CS that gives you the "right answer", keep a record, and then play.

Is this what has happened here?

Find CS who says each seat on multihand counts as a separate bet, then play. Not keeping a record might be where the OP slipped up, which is why he has resorted to using another player's chat log to prove his case.

The 32Red term ALREADY clarifies the situation for multi hand games, and this is that a DEALER dealt hand is what counts, so the 25% is the accumulation of ALL bets over ALL seats played.

As for doubles & splits, I DON'T think these should count, since they are conditional bets, and the player has no way of knowing whether one is needed until the hands are dealt. Additionally, NOT splitting when appropriate can place the player at a disadvantage. Doubling, however, is debatable, since NOT doubling does NOT affect the chance of the player winning - so maybe ONLY splits should be allowed, and not penalised.

Again - WHY CAN'T THIS BE SORTED THROUGH SOFTWARE ENFORCEMENT, this would end this kind of argument, even if players DIDN'T read or understand the max bet rule.

The term specifying that multi-hand bets count together as one was added days after my gameplay in the casino. This can be easily verified.

 

[Fortlip]

Six paragraphs and you still didn't even give me a yes or no answer as to your history (or not) with 32Red itself. I understand that betting big amounts is not wrong. And if you had read one of my previous posts, you would see that I said I believed you should be paid...IF the term in question at the time you played, did NOT specify that MH bets would be counted as one.

I would just like to know if you have a history with 32Red. So let's start simple...do you have an account right now at 32Red? If so, have you ever used their signup bonus, or taken one of their monthly bonuses previously?

Can you just answer that?

I've had a million things to do lately, didn't notice your last question. Yes, I played once at 32Red back in 2007, when enforcing terms about not betting more than 25% when maximum table limits clearly allowed it, was a wet dream for most casino operators.

Thanks for your support.

 

[maxd]

Are new members not allowed to leave the forum for a few hours without being flamed and called a manipulater, liar, etc? Max, chime in anytime to quote forum regulations.

I still haven't received an answer from you regarding what course of action you're going to take regarding the PAB ... and now you want to tell me how to do my job?

I'd repeat what I said some time back about using the forums to flog your own agenda but why bother? Like I said, PAB or stand down: dragging this out here ain't happening.

Until I hear from the OP regarding to PAB or not to PAB this discussion has pretty much stalled out: thread closed, at least for the time being.

PS. Apparently the OP is pursuing other options regarding his issue. Fair enough, thread stays closed.