vinylweatherman
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- Oct 14, 2004
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I can't figure out how 3Dice are deciding what is "abuse", and what is legitimate. It seems skiny IS being accused of something, and was told some while ago that what he was doing was "abusing the system".
Enzo seems to be saying that players are transferring $50 to and from the safe without even attempting to make the 2 comp points every 10 days, yet skiny says that although he used the safe rather than deposit from outside, he moved $100 in to the casino and lost the lot, yet this is also considered "abuse" by Enzo as this is the month he made the change, and would have told players if even ONE "dolphin" got caught in the net.
As for stopping "loopholes", it won't work. This is not about depositing $50 from Skrill, playing a couple of token spins, and withdrawing, say, $49 or $51 back to Skrill to buy a month of VIP tournaments, which WOULD cause processing charges to be levied on the player for not properly risking the $50 deposit. If skiny had known about this, he would have withdrawn the $100 he won from his lucky spell, and redeposited $50 from outside, and maybe another $50. There would have been no grounds to claim this was "abuse" if enough action had been generated in order to win the $100, or when the returning $50 was played and lost. It seems that Enzo IS treating money in the safe as not being the same as money stored in Skrill.
What will happen is that after a big win, players will not put ALL of it in the safe, but will withdraw a chunk that will give them a few months worth of $50 deposits from outside should what they leave behind for further play be subject to such bad luck that they don't make the 2 comp point criteria.
Pretty soon, further rule changes will be needed to prevent a new form of "abuse" from taking hold, the problem being that "abuse" is not being objectively defined, but instead is based on what the casino believes is the intent behind the actions of a player. Players who are unlucky clearly "intend" to qualify under the $50 exception, and will do this from the safe if the option is available (it is easier), but will quite happily deposit $50 from outside if it is not.
A simple way to "game" the new system would be to have, say, $200 set aside in Skrill, and each month deposit $50 from Skrill to the casino, and then move it to the safe. Over 4 months, the whole $200 will sit in the safe. At this point, the player would check that they had made enough playthrough based on $200 of deposits, say $400, and then withdraw the $200 back to Skrill for use over the next 4 months. 4 months of VIP tournaments alone should generate enough playthrough to satisfy requirements on $200 worth of deposits, and may even add to the $200 so that a net win can be withdrawn.
If done properly, this will have the same effect as the recently closed loophole, but will cost the casino an additional cost of processing 4x $50 deposits and 1x $200 withdrawal.
This would entail the need for one new rule after another to keep the $50 exception limited to only those players who deserve it according to 3Dice.
A simpler solution would be to ditch the $50 exception altogether, and manually "opt in" those players that fail to make the 2 comp point criteria, but who are nevertheless considered deserving cases by 3Dice. Unlike an automated system, this could not be manipulated because human judgement could be used on a case by case basis, and any attempts to "game" the system would be spotted. The manual exception could then be "gifted" to qualifying players at the start of every month, so it is seen as a gift from management, not a "right" bestowed through meeting set criteria.
Enzo seems to be saying that players are transferring $50 to and from the safe without even attempting to make the 2 comp points every 10 days, yet skiny says that although he used the safe rather than deposit from outside, he moved $100 in to the casino and lost the lot, yet this is also considered "abuse" by Enzo as this is the month he made the change, and would have told players if even ONE "dolphin" got caught in the net.
As for stopping "loopholes", it won't work. This is not about depositing $50 from Skrill, playing a couple of token spins, and withdrawing, say, $49 or $51 back to Skrill to buy a month of VIP tournaments, which WOULD cause processing charges to be levied on the player for not properly risking the $50 deposit. If skiny had known about this, he would have withdrawn the $100 he won from his lucky spell, and redeposited $50 from outside, and maybe another $50. There would have been no grounds to claim this was "abuse" if enough action had been generated in order to win the $100, or when the returning $50 was played and lost. It seems that Enzo IS treating money in the safe as not being the same as money stored in Skrill.
What will happen is that after a big win, players will not put ALL of it in the safe, but will withdraw a chunk that will give them a few months worth of $50 deposits from outside should what they leave behind for further play be subject to such bad luck that they don't make the 2 comp point criteria.
Pretty soon, further rule changes will be needed to prevent a new form of "abuse" from taking hold, the problem being that "abuse" is not being objectively defined, but instead is based on what the casino believes is the intent behind the actions of a player. Players who are unlucky clearly "intend" to qualify under the $50 exception, and will do this from the safe if the option is available (it is easier), but will quite happily deposit $50 from outside if it is not.
A simple way to "game" the new system would be to have, say, $200 set aside in Skrill, and each month deposit $50 from Skrill to the casino, and then move it to the safe. Over 4 months, the whole $200 will sit in the safe. At this point, the player would check that they had made enough playthrough based on $200 of deposits, say $400, and then withdraw the $200 back to Skrill for use over the next 4 months. 4 months of VIP tournaments alone should generate enough playthrough to satisfy requirements on $200 worth of deposits, and may even add to the $200 so that a net win can be withdrawn.
If done properly, this will have the same effect as the recently closed loophole, but will cost the casino an additional cost of processing 4x $50 deposits and 1x $200 withdrawal.
This would entail the need for one new rule after another to keep the $50 exception limited to only those players who deserve it according to 3Dice.
A simpler solution would be to ditch the $50 exception altogether, and manually "opt in" those players that fail to make the 2 comp point criteria, but who are nevertheless considered deserving cases by 3Dice. Unlike an automated system, this could not be manipulated because human judgement could be used on a case by case basis, and any attempts to "game" the system would be spotted. The manual exception could then be "gifted" to qualifying players at the start of every month, so it is seen as a gift from management, not a "right" bestowed through meeting set criteria.
It reeks of another attempt to deflect and for you to gain sympathy. You mentioned facts, well you are the one who hasn't presented all the facts. You posted the things that you thought would make people sympathize with you. You failed to tell the whole story nor about your motivations in how you posted this nor in how you moved money back and forth. You wanted to keep a perk that you weren't entitled to and hadn't been entitled too for a while and you were just mad that it was taken away from you. You manipulated 3 D and you are manipulating people here. You are fogging up the issue on pupose. 
