Fly Casino - sister site to Omni Casino BBF thread

[Casinomeister]

Let's welcome Fly Casino to the Baptism by Fire section. Sister site to Omni Casino - managed and operated by the same folks. BoF fast tracked to 30 days instead.

Playtech powered with 110% UP TO $/€/£110 First Time Deposit Bonus.

You can sign up here: https://www.casinomeister.com/static/goto.php?c=flycasino

For any comments, issues, or complaints - please let Elliott know here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

 

[mattsgame]

Let's welcome Fly Casino to the Baptism by Fire section. Sister site to Omni Casino - managed and operated by the same folks. BoF fast tracked to 30 days instead.

Playtech powered with 110% UP TO $/€/£110 First Time Deposit Bonus.

You can sign up here: https://www.casinomeister.com/static/goto.php?c=flycasino

For any comments, issues, or complaints - please let Elliott know here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

Great people over there at Omni/Focalclick, but I would like to know who is charge of naming the casino, such a strange name. (to me anyway)

 

[The Viking]

Looking forward to it good luck
just signed up to try it out, had problems with cashier on homepage (see screenshot) tried all browsers, had to D/L client to deposit

 

[threescatters]

I have a question, here are some T and C from the sign up bonus

The 110% Welcome Bonus is only available on your very first single deposit of $/€/£ 20 or more

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The maximum bonus amount that can be received is $/€/£ 110

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*Maximum wagers allowed*. A maximum wager of $6 per slot machine spin is enforced until you meet the wagering requirements. Winnings gained with wagers of $6 or more per slot spin will be voided.

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As you can see it is made clear that the welcome bonus is the same numerical amount in any of USD EUR GBP

However the "max bet" is listed in dollars only. I wouldnt be playing in dollars. Does that mean if i am playing in GBP I have to work out what $6 is in GBP? So like a max bet only of £3.50 or something? or is it 6 numerical value in any of the currencys as max bet? so I can bet up to £6 a go in GBP?

 

[dunover]

Also what is the BS 'pending' w/d time here?

 

[dunover]

Am I being dense here, but I can't see the pending period mentioned in the T&C's. Also I notice a 10k$ per month w/d limit. If you won a progressive your w/d would be strung out over many months, which is strange considering the casino itself doesn't pay it?

Sorry, when you can go and play Playtech at sites with instant w/d's and few limits, I can't see why I would want to join it.

 

[OC Elliott]

Hi Everyone,

Firstly thank you for the feedback so far. Please find information below which I hope address’s your queries:

The Viking: Just signed up to try it out, had problems with cashier on homepage (see screenshot) tried all browsers, had to D/L client to deposit

Yes, the cashier is going through an upgrade at this time for flash players. To access the cashier while playing in the flash client please open your game of choice and click on Cashier.

The Threescatters: The "max bet" is listed in dollars only. I wouldn’t be playing in dollars. Does that mean if i am playing in GBP I have to work out what $6 is in GBP? So like a max bet only of £3.50 or something? or is it 6 numerical value in any of the currencys as max bet? so I can bet up to £6 a go in GBP?

Thank you very much for the feedback the terms have been updated to display the correct information. For your own information: The 6 is a unit based off of your currency. So if it’s GBP its £6 if it’s USD its $6, etc. So it’s a unit of 6 in your currency for $/€/£, apologies for any confusion

Dunover: Also what is the BS 'pending' w/d time here?

I don’t think we have a BS withdrawal method available currently however to answer your question relating to withdrawal time its 24-48hrs more towards 48hrs if you’re a new member.

To everyone reading this: Thanks for taking the time to do so. Feel free to pop over to Fly Casino navigate the site, register and take a look around. If there are any questions you have please feel free to contact support via online chat, e-mail or contacting me here.

We hope you enjoy your experience at Fly Casino.

Warm Regards,

Elliott.

 

[Nifty29]

Am I being dense here, but I can't see the pending period mentioned in the T&C's. Also I notice a 10k$ per month w/d limit. If you won a progressive your w/d would be strung out over many months, which is strange considering the casino itself doesn't pay it?

Sorry, when you can go and play Playtech at sites with instant w/d's and few limits, I can't see why I would want to join it.

IIRC, if they don't pay out progressives in full in one payment, they cannot become accredited here.

Hope Elliot can clear this up.

 

[dunover]

Sorry - 'pending' (let's hope winners reverse) periods are now avoidable at all major softwares now. One day as word gets around, any decent casino will drop these periods.

You have a limit on monthly w/d's of 10k$ - so you're obviously limiting deposits so higher-stake players can't fall foul of this term, yes?

Please explain, if you win a large progressive, and Playtech hold the funds presumably, why you limit to 20 or 30k per month (or 200k per month on multi-million ones) payment of such progressives? Do Playtech allow this? Do they pay the WHOLE amount to you up front and you drip-feed it to the winner?

MG don't.

Sorry, unless provided by big operators like Paddy Power/Boyles etc. I just get a funny smell where Playtech sites are concerned....

 

[dunover]

IIRC, if they don't pay out progressives in full in one payment, they cannot become accredited here.

Hope Elliot can clear this up.

Well, you must've posted that just as I made my last post before this. I didn't know that. Well, I've elaborated on their T&C's and it clearly specifies what I've stated. We have seen that scam a few times, Playtech J/P paid to casino and not to player - those terms mean you could win a biggie for 3m and it would take 15 months to be paid, while for the 15 months you're cr*pping your shorts hoping and praying they don't fold/PL/disappear or get taken over by a 'different' casino with the same people involved.

 

[OC Elliott]

Hi There,

Dunover: Am I being dense here, but I can't see the pending period mentioned in the T&C's. Also I notice a 10k$ per month w/d limit. If you won a progressive your w/d would be strung out over many months, which is strange considering the casino itself doesn't pay it?

Sorry, when you can go and play Playtech at sites with instant w/d's and few limits, I can't see why I would want to join it.


Thanks very much for bringing this up. A couple of years ago we actually updated our progressive policy to fall in line with the accredited terms set out here at Casinomeister.

Here's the details:

6.5.3 You are aware of and agree that the maximum amount that a Player can cash-out is $10,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO or GBP or other currencies) per month. All amounts larger than $10,000 will be paid in terms until the full withdrawal amount is reached. This condition does not apply to winnings of network progressive jackpots which is stated in section 6.5.4. Withdrawals depend on verification of all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus terms that player may have received at the time of winnings.

6.5.4 Progressive Jackpots are paid in instalments depending on the size of the Progressive Jackpot. A player can cash-out up to $30,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO, GBP or other currencies) per month for jackpots below $250,000 USD. A player may cash-out up to $75,000 USD per month for jackpots between 250,001-1,000,000. A player may cash-out up to $200,000 USD per month for jackpots between 1,000,001 to 3,000,000. Jackpots greater than $3,000,001 shall be paid the rate of $300,000 USD per month until jackpot is paid in full. Withdrawals depend on verification of jackpot and all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus/promotional terms that player may have received at the time of the jackpot win. The Online Casino reserves the right to amend these instalment amounts.

Regards,

Elliott

 

[dunover]

Hi There,

Dunover: Am I being dense here, but I can't see the pending period mentioned in the T&C's. Also I notice a 10k$ per month w/d limit. If you won a progressive your w/d would be strung out over many months, which is strange considering the casino itself doesn't pay it?

Sorry, when you can go and play Playtech at sites with instant w/d's and few limits, I can't see why I would want to join it.


Thanks very much for bringing this up. A couple of years ago we actually updated our progressive policy to fall in line with the accredited terms set out here at Casinomeister.

Here's the details:

6.5.3 You are aware of and agree that the maximum amount that a Player can cash-out is $10,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO or GBP or other currencies) per month. All amounts larger than $10,000 will be paid in terms until the full withdrawal amount is reached. This condition does not apply to winnings of network progressive jackpots which is stated in section 6.5.4. Withdrawals depend on verification of all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus terms that player may have received at the time of winnings.

6.5.4 Progressive Jackpots are paid in instalments depending on the size of the Progressive Jackpot. A player can cash-out up to $30,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO, GBP or other currencies) per month for jackpots below $250,000 USD. A player may cash-out up to $75,000 USD per month for jackpots between 250,001-1,000,000. A player may cash-out up to $200,000 USD per month for jackpots between 1,000,001 to 3,000,000. Jackpots greater than $3,000,001 shall be paid the rate of $300,000 USD per month until jackpot is paid in full. Withdrawals depend on verification of jackpot and all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus/promotional terms that player may have received at the time of the jackpot win. The Online Casino reserves the right to amend these instalment amounts.

Regards,

Elliott

Hang on a minute, but unless I'm missing something, you have a 10k limit for normal w/d's (which is very low for 1 month IMO) and you amend this term in your next (6.5.4) for PROGRESSIVE jackpots. We've already established that - what I want to know is DO PLAYTECH PAY THE WHOLE JACKPOT TO YOU UP FRONT BEFORE YOU DRIP-FEED IT AS IN 6.5.4???

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi There,

Dunover: Am I being dense here, but I can't see the pending period mentioned in the T&C's. Also I notice a 10k$ per month w/d limit. If you won a progressive your w/d would be strung out over many months, which is strange considering the casino itself doesn't pay it?

Sorry, when you can go and play Playtech at sites with instant w/d's and few limits, I can't see why I would want to join it.


Thanks very much for bringing this up. A couple of years ago we actually updated our progressive policy to fall in line with the accredited terms set out here at Casinomeister.

Here's the details:

6.5.3 You are aware of and agree that the maximum amount that a Player can cash-out is $10,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO or GBP or other currencies) per month. All amounts larger than $10,000 will be paid in terms until the full withdrawal amount is reached. This condition does not apply to winnings of network progressive jackpots which is stated in section 6.5.4. Withdrawals depend on verification of all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus terms that player may have received at the time of winnings.

6.5.4 Progressive Jackpots are paid in instalments depending on the size of the Progressive Jackpot. A player can cash-out up to $30,000 USD (or the equivalent amount in EURO, GBP or other currencies) per month for jackpots below $250,000 USD. A player may cash-out up to $75,000 USD per month for jackpots between 250,001-1,000,000. A player may cash-out up to $200,000 USD per month for jackpots between 1,000,001 to 3,000,000. Jackpots greater than $3,000,001 shall be paid the rate of $300,000 USD per month until jackpot is paid in full. Withdrawals depend on verification of jackpot and all required documents as set in clause 9.4 and adherence to all terms and conditions of the casino set forth in these terms and or, bonus/promotional terms that player may have received at the time of the jackpot win. The Online Casino reserves the right to amend these instalment amounts.

Regards,

Elliott

The limits may be higher, but this is STILL an instalment plan for a network progressive, which is understood to be paid to the casino in one lump by Playtech.

Here is the standard:-

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Must pay out progressive jackpot wins in full or in reasonable chunks, regardless of any terms and conditions limiting payouts.**

What is a "reasonable chunk". It's a little vague, but unless there is a damn good reason for having to pay in chunks, it should be paid IN FULL.

A tiered structure depending on the amount does not seem "reasonable" as it is by choice, not forced through external limiting factors.

If it is physically possible to pay at $300,000 per month, it should be possible to pay ALL sizes of progressives at this rate. The current scheme seems designed to create a set length of instalment plan, rather than a set rate of payment. This is STILL hanging on to the player's money for a year or more for no good reason, and for the bigger wins, this is effectively stealing a years worth of interest from the player, from which no doubt the casino benefits.

If it turns out Playtech are the villain here, then it is they who are stealing interest from the players, but it also raises the question of why a casino going bust during an instalment payout of a progressive ends up taking the money with them.

 

[Nifty29]

IMO the phrase "reasonable chunks" should be removed from the accreditation standards.

Progressive jackpots under $1m should be paid in full IMO.

 

[chayton]

IMO the phrase "reasonable chunks" should be removed from the accreditation standards.

Progressive jackpots under $1m should be paid in full IMO.

Agreed. Except 'under $1m' should be removed from your statement too. If Playtech pays the jackpot all in one lump sum, why should the player be paid in installments?

TBH with the amount of Playtechs out there with stupid limits and troubling reputations it would make players feel a lot better if they changed it so that Playtech paid the player directly in the case of a progressive win rather than having the money going through the casino it was won at. A couple of those shady casinos (African Palace) would dry up and blow away if they couldn't get their hands on jackpot wins.

 

[jetset]

Agreed. Except 'under $1m' should be removed from your statement too. If Playtech pays the jackpot all in one lump sum, why should the player be paid in installments?

TBH with the amount of Playtechs out there with stupid limits and troubling reputations it would make players feel a lot better if they changed it so that Playtech paid the player directly in the case of a progressive win rather than having the money going through the casino it was won at. A couple of those shady casinos (African Palace) would dry up and blow away if they couldn't get their hands on jackpot wins.

I agree - the network accumulates these often significant amounts as the players go for their jackpots. Paying out in instalments suggests that these large sums of money are sitting (gaining interest of course) somewhere instead of finding their way to the winning player in full and immediately. You don't see operators advertising the 'instalment plan' approach when they're trying to suck players in - they promote the large sum of money in the jackpot.

 

[Simmo!]

I ran through a test of Fly early last week and made a few notes:

Great Blue's max bet is 7.50 (booo!)
They paid out 3000 euro with zero hassle and not even asking for ID (yay!)
The reverse time was a shade over 48 hrs and they wouldn't flush it (booo!)
Their support response times were very good (yay!)
They had pretty much all the new Playtech games (yay!)
Except the new Playtech games aren't very good (booo!)

Overall though, always been a fan of Omni and Fly gets a thumbsup. Would have been two thumbs up if they didnt reverse or added flushing.

 

[chayton]

Except the new Playtech games aren't very good (booo!)

I thought it was just me.

 

[susanjbo]

Peeling your onion.

They keep it for various reasons. If they had a MILLION to store for twelve months at lets say 8% interest , then they make a cool $80 grand. Then there comes the onion, by keeping YOUR MONEY for as long as possible they hope you use that stored winnings , and assuming its a big sum, they would expect you to bet accordingly. If it was me, id be onto my lawyer 30 seconds after the win, and have him issue Playtech with a claim from their local court. That is of coarse that Playtech is in a country that has a court of some ethics. Same way courts stop family members gaining access to a will when someone dies because some block who knew the dead person 30 seconds can prevent a will being executed. A judge would be very curious as to why any casino would continue a legal fight over money that wasnt theirs. (Eckley Vs Crown Holdings s/court Melbourne)

Courts do take notice of precedence if it comes from Countrys with Democratic law. Thou u wouldnt put all ya eggs in that basket. How many Casino operators are lining their legal professions pockets for favourable outcomes.

 

[cass1071]

I thought it was just me.

Me two, any game that cannot be spun with the keyboards spacebar is not rating for me.

Funny, I do not have issue with the payout limit - but then again I am not a regular $10k+ collector (am jealous). If the casinos choose to pay out progressives over a number of months, I personally would rather see the timeframe capped to complete the payout to the player such as; all progressive jackpot payments to winners will be paid in monthly installments not exceeding a total of (for arguments sake) 3 months.

As a fan of Playtech, I can live with these terms. Compared to Casino Tropez who would pay the current Gladiator Jackpot of $2.5M + (monthly $9,990) , over a period of 21 years , I can live with Fly's terms

 

[Simmo!]

I thought it was just me.

Actually I was being a bit harsh. Some (like Thor, Marilyn Monroe and John Wayne for example) would be very good, they just have poor "mechanics" (Playtech's issue, not Fly's I hasten to add) to the point of being too frustrating to play. They're clearly great looking games but haven't been tested with real slots players prior to implementation would be my guess.

 

[dunover]

Elliot has become remarkably taciturn since I asked that question, and is obviously recalcitrant when it comes to the answer.

Playtech DO pay the casino all at once. Playtech don't pay the player themselves.

So, in Fly's term 6.5.4 a player winning a million-plus progressive would be a massive boon - it almost guarantees the casinos cashflow for months to come. Not only does the casino have the opportunity to make interest from the win, but it ensures solvency via cashflow to pay other winners out. Given the 10k 'normal win' cashout limit per month, having a million or many millions on tap would be more like the casino has won, NOT the player!

Then there is the matter of a player sitting on millions of pounds of 'potential stake money' from the casinos point of view. So, you've just won 3.1 millions. They have paid you 300k. You have 2.8 million sitting there tantalizingly close yet almost a year away in total time. I absolutely guarantee you the poor winner would be deluged with 'offers' for big-stake playing, the casino licking its lips in anticipation of any player weakness. That is of course if the casino owners don't suddenly with creative accountancy declare insolvency...

Elliot, a straight answer please.

 

[irmster]

I signed up and made a small deposit, as I have had some luck before in Playtech slots - especially Gladiator. Sadly, Fly Casino doesn't have that in their flash casino, so I tried Spamalot. It crashed every time I hit the spin button!

Lost my £50 on Great Blue and that was that. Still, kept me occupied while I wait for my 48 hour pending period for my nice win last night

 

[OC Elliott]

Hi All,

Sorry for the late reply.

Response to Playtech Progressives.

Peak Interactive policy relating to progressive jackpot winnings is a company policy that has been in place for more than two years now. We had worked with CasinoMeister when Omni Casino was going through it's BBF regarding Progressive Jackpots. Section 6.5.4 is a direct result of working with our security consultants, Playtech and CasinoMeister. It is a policy which we stand by as a responsible balance between security matters and ensuring that winners are paid Progressive Jackpots in full in a sensible time frame.

Opinions as to what is "responsible," "fair" or "sensible" time frame is wholly subject to the account holder. Only he or she can make that self determination and we of course absolutely respect opinions. Within this thread there are opinions. Some accepting, some not. While opinions will differ, there is one thing that is not subject to interpretation. If you win a jackpot at Fly Casino, you will be paid the entire amount according to our terms. Such speculation that the casino could effectively take off with winnings (via various forms) is not possible here at Peak Interactive. Without detailing our structures in a public form, we have a legal structure and agreements with Playtech to which the entire player balances are held in full at all times and such balances are protected through several layers of legal checks and balances making such concepts/concerns impossible.

Flushing:

Members that wish to have their funds (progressives or otherwise) "flushed" may contact our 24/7 support staff via phone or via playershelp@flycasino.com and asked their account frozen until the cash-out is completed. Although this is not really "flushing" the account, it is a common routine with our members and the best we can offer at this time that meets the same goal. To be blunt, we would LOVE to offer a manner to flush out accounts while the cash-out procedures are being performed. We have asked Playtech countless times to help us in this area by building us a system which will allow this. To date, this function has not been presented to Peak Interactive. We again will press the issue with them yet again.

Irmster:

I signed up and made a small deposit, as I have had some luck before in Playtech slots - especially Gladiator. Sadly, Fly Casino doesn't have that in their flash casino, so I tried Spamalot. It crashed every time I hit the spin button!

Please send me your username via private message Irmster.

Warm Regards,

Elliott

 

[dunover]

Hi All,

Sorry for the late reply.

Response to Playtech Progressives.

Peak Interactive policy relating to progressive jackpot winnings is a company policy that has been in place for more than two years now. We had worked with CasinoMeister when Omni Casino was going through it's BBF regarding Progressive Jackpots. Section 6.5.4 is a direct result of working with our security consultants, Playtech and CasinoMeister. It is a policy which we stand by as a responsible balance between security matters and ensuring that winners are paid Progressive Jackpots in full in a sensible time frame.
Opinions as to what is "responsible," "fair" or "sensible" time frame is wholly subject to the account holder. Only he or she can make that self determination and we of course absolutely respect opinions. Within this thread there are opinions. Some accepting, some not. While opinions will differ, there is one thing that is not subject to interpretation. If you win a jackpot at Fly Casino, you will be paid the entire amount according to our terms. Such speculation that the casino could effectively take off with winnings (via various forms) is not possible here at Peak Interactive. Without detailing our structures in a public form, we have a legal structure and agreements with Playtech to which the entire player balances are held in full at all times and such balances are protected through several layers of legal checks and balances making such concepts/concerns impossible.

Flushing:

Members that wish to have their funds (progressives or otherwise) "flushed" may contact our 24/7 support staff via phone or via playershelp@flycasino.com and asked their account frozen until the cash-out is completed. Although this is not really "flushing" the account, it is a common routine with our members and the best we can offer at this time that meets the same goal. To be blunt, we would LOVE to offer a manner to flush out accounts while the cash-out procedures are being performed. We have asked Playtech countless times to help us in this area by building us a system which will allow this. To date, this function has not been presented to Peak Interactive. We again will press the issue with them yet again.

Irmster:

I signed up and made a small deposit, as I have had some luck before in Playtech slots - especially Gladiator. Sadly, Fly Casino doesn't have that in their flash casino, so I tried Spamalot. It crashed every time I hit the spin button!

Please send me your username via private message Irmster.

Warm Regards,

Elliott

Well, what 'security' issue can there possibly be??
You've already verified the player. The player wins a jackpot. The player gets paid in full. What is the 'security risk'?

If I win the national lottery 8million, I get 8 million paid straight away when they've verified the winning ticket.

If ( I say this on the understanding that Playtech pay the casino the whole amount up front) CM actually allow flexibility for the casino to withhold cash and pay in instalments, then I disagree with that policy.

If Playtech hold this jackpot and allow the casino to pay in instalments then no foul by the casino but Playtech should make this clear on the games that offer jackpots.

Why can't it be done the simple way like Microgaming or Netent?