First 6:5 Blackjack in an online casino I've seen!

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Oasis Casino recently changed ownership to BetCorp. Under the Oasis Casino umbrella there are 3 other casinos: Lucky Lady, Thunderbolt, and Bet Casino. Oasis Casino itself is scheduled to re-open on July 20th.

Today I saw the first 6 to 5 Blackjack payout in an online casino, this being Lucky Lady. In their single deck blackjack game, a natural blackjack only pays out 6 to 5 instead of the normal 3 to 2. Their single hand blackjack game has the regular 3 to 2 payout. A 6 to 5 payout for blackjack pays less than the normal 3 to 2 payout.

Have anyone else seen other online casinos converting to 6 to 5 blackjack payout????
 

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So why gamble at an online casino, like Lucky Lady, by playing a single deck, neutral shoe, with a 6-5 or 3-2 payout? Isn't it better to gamble at a brick and mortor, playing a 3-2 payout for blackjack, 6 decks and have the opportunity to enter the game at a rich shoe point?

I've been considering gambling online, through an online casino that is listed on this website. I wanted to know why you would gamble online for blackjack, when you would have a better chance to win in a real casino?

Nobunaga
 

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Westland Bowl said:
Oasis Casino recently changed ownership to BetCorp. Under the Oasis Casino umbrella there are 3 other casinos: Lucky Lady, Thunderbolt, and Bet Casino. Oasis Casino itself is scheduled to re-open on July 20th.

Today I saw the first 6 to 5 Blackjack payout in an online casino, this being Lucky Lady. In their single deck blackjack game, a natural blackjack only pays out 6 to 5 instead of the normal 3 to 2. Their single hand blackjack game has the regular 3 to 2 payout. A 6 to 5 payout for blackjack pays less than the normal 3 to 2 payout.

Have anyone else seen other online casinos converting to 6 to 5 blackjack payout????


What software is this??
 

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Nobunaga said:
I wanted to know why you would gamble online for blackjack, when you would have a better chance to win in a real casino?

Nobunaga


You're going to get a fair BJ game at most casinos online. This and a few others are the exception, and are the ones you should stay away from.
 

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Although I definitely agree that you can find a better game elsewhere, the concept of 6:5 blackjack is not new - you will find these odds at many single deck games in Vegas.

And I also agree - you probably shouldn't waste your time playing this variant of blackjack. I don't know that it warrants a boycott, though - if someone wants to play this game that's their choice. Surely won't be mine, though.
 

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winbig said:
What software is this??

Bet Casino is powered by Playtech. Lucky Lady and Thunderbolt uses software developed by "DGS" using Java. I don't know who/what DGS is. Oasis Casino will continue to use what they've been using before Betcorp bought them out....proprietary software.
 

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GrandMaster said:
This is a worrying development. These casinos should be boycotted.

For myself, I just move on to their other blackjack games that have the regular 3 to 2 blackjack. But I certainly will let them know that I don't like that 6:5 feature.

I certainly knew that 6:5 blackjack is now prevelant in single deck games in Vegas and some in Atlantic City at the brick and mortar casinos per Blackjackinfo.com but I just didn't want to see it come to online casinos.
 

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I thought Nine.com (sportsbook and casino) offered 6:5 blackjack with single deck in their flash casino back in January of this year, but I can't get the flash site to open now.

I do remember that I bypassed it and played their six-deck blackjack that offered 3:2 payout, though. :thumbsup:
 

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spearmaster said:
Although I definitely agree that you can find a better game elsewhere, the concept of 6:5 blackjack is not new - you will find these odds at many single deck games in Vegas.

And I also agree - you probably shouldn't waste your time playing this variant of blackjack. I don't know that it warrants a boycott, though - if someone wants to play this game that's their choice. Surely won't be mine, though.
We should try to nip it in the bud now. If these casinos get away with 6:5 [email protected] now, then more and more casinos will be introducing it, accompanied by claims that the players wanted it in order to have a more authentic casino experience.
 

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GrandMaster said:
We should try to nip it in the bud now. If these casinos get away with 6:5 [email protected] now, then more and more casinos will be introducing it, accompanied by claims that the players wanted it in order to have a more authentic casino experience.

I don't disagree at all - but I don't think the smarter casinos will be following any time soon.

Easy enough to vote with your feet - play where they have standard 3:2 payouts for single-deck blackjack. Don't play the 6:5 game - and they will notice soon enough.
 

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An online casino offering both 6:5 single deck and 3:2 shoe games is no different than one that offers both European (0) and American (0/00) Roulette. They are offering two games with the exact same gameplay, with vastly different odds. If you don't criticize the casinos offering both roulette games, then I see no reason to criticize one offering both blackjack games.

If someone is ignorant enough to take the game with the worse odds, I don't blame the casino for offering it.
 

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bpb said:
An online casino offering both 6:5 single deck and 3:2 shoe games is no different than one that offers both European (0) and American (0/00) Roulette. They are offering two games with the exact same gameplay, with vastly different odds. If you don't criticize the casinos offering both roulette games, then I see no reason to criticize one offering both blackjack games.

If someone is ignorant enough to take the game with the worse odds, I don't blame the casino for offering it.

I play single deck blackjack alot and it has always been 3:2 blackjack. Now comes Lucky Lady with a 6:5 blackjack in their only single deck game. They do not offer another single deck blackjack game with 3:2 blackjack. I'm sure that if they offered both versions that the 3:2 will be played alot more than the 6:5. It's hard enough to try to beat the casinos as they are right now. We don't need the 6:5 creeping into mainstream casino rules, imo.
 

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IIRC i was watching a tv program about las vegas, and one part they mentioned that the casinos introduced 6:5 payout on BJ and the public "voted with thier feet". result after a few days of empty tables they re-introduced 3:2 payout. but i think they then used 4 to 8 decks of cards.
 

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I was looking around to find out what this does to the HA, and found

"Changing that one rule, reducing blackjack payouts from 3:2 to 6:5 adds a substantial 1.39% to the casino's advantage."

Anyone that plays under that rule needs to see a Psychiatrist, IMMEDIATELY :D
 

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wangpoker said:
DGS = Digital Gaming Solutions?

Yep, that is the one! Thanks, wangpoker!

The blackjack screen shot, at the website below, is exactly the one like in the Lucky Lady casino at the Oasis Casino website.

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The live chat operator at Oasis Casino said that the Thunderbolt casino was also developed by DGS but it has a different skin so I'm not sure if the chat operator was entirely right in regards to Thunderbolt.
 

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winbig said:
I was looking around to find out what this does to the HA, and found



Anyone that plays under that rule needs to see a Psychiatrist, IMMEDIATELY :D


Yet many still play it. Despite penetration at times as low as 30% (which kills any card counting whatsoever) and the 6-5 payout, there are still casinos where that game is fairly popular. In fact, on the Vegas Strip, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single-deck game that does NOT pay 6-5, and all of the 21 games at Hooters Casino pay 6-5 on blackjack (including shoe games!).
 

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dickens1298 said:
Yet many still play it. Despite penetration at times as low as 30% (which kills any card counting whatsoever) and the 6-5 payout, there are still casinos where that game is fairly popular. In fact, on the Vegas Strip, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single-deck game that does NOT pay 6-5, and all of the 21 games at Hooters Casino pay 6-5 on blackjack (including shoe games!).

I believe Vegas is trying to rid itself of serious blackjack card players who know their stuff. Vegas/Nevada has/is heavily marketed(ing) toward the tourist-type who don't know the difference between 3-2 and 6-5 payouts and don't care. The brick-and-mortar casinos in Vegas have plenty of ignorant tourists so the casinos don't miss the card-counters and other serious gamblers. The payout change doesn't seem to have hurt them a bit. Besides, they come to Hooters for something other than a serious game of blackjack!:D
 

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6-5 BJ online = pure dirty greed by the casino.

In Vegas when they first introduced it the tables seem full, but the last couple of visits this year I have noticed empty games. I think that word does get around that 6-5 is terrible compared to even an 8 deck "normal" game.

I still think that if someone invented BJ today with the 6-5 payoff the casinos would even put it on their gaming floor, seems any new games they introduce have between 3 and 5% house advantage these days. Bet they hate BJ and craps being so popular LOL
 

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dickens1298 said:
and all of the 21 games at Hooters Casino pay 6-5 on blackjack (including shoe games!).


Wow! Even shoe games? That's pathetic. :mad:
 

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Hi All
Oasis is the casino that refused to pay me $150,000 i won on blackjack, although they have changed hands and betcorp now own them, betcorp deliberatly excluded my claim from there contract of sale and I am having a hard time finding out where this leaves me in regards to who i should persue, betcorp say breakaway is who owes the winnings but as yet I have not been able to find this out.
Betcorp are on a buying spree at the moment so we might see 6-5 odds at other casino"s as well.I dont know if casinomeister endorses any betcorp casino's but from my experience they are not much fun to deal with.
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That really sucks, Lucky21. Specifically excluding from the sale of Oasis the $150K company liability that is owed to you smacks of Betcorp and the former owners of Oasis colluding to avoid the obligation imo.

If the software provider was a responsible and honourable company (assuming it knew about this deal at the time) one would have expected them to play a role in protecting the player here, too.

Have you contacted the former owners? What do they have to say about this, or are they resorting to the well used trick of the unprofessionals and simply ignoring your efforts to obtain satisfaction?
 

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hi jetset
No i havent been able to contact the previous owners of oasis namely breakaway corp nv, I cant even find an address or listing for them, but i will keep looking.
oasis has or had its own inhouse software cyberbookies, so they are one in the same.
An interesting point is that oasis net profit for last year was 1.3mil net so 150k of unplanned outgoings is a large slice of there dollars, no wonder they kicked up a fuss, my lawyer told me the hardest part of getting money from online casino is that they often simply dont have the money.
 

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