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World Cup 2022 FIFA 2022 World Cup (Qatar) - Who will be the Winner?
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Unfortunately mate, despite the game being finished within 90 minutes, it STILL did come down to penalties......
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Unfortunately, as is usually the case with England, they are good enough to score ONE goal in these really big knockout games.
The problem is, time and time again, one has almost always proven to not be enough. The list is long....
Argentina in 86, West Germany in 90, Sweden in 92** (Cue Barry Davies doing his own rendition of Dolly Parton's Jolene when Sweden scored the winning goal
), Germany in 96, Brazil in 02, Portugal in 04, Germany in 10, Iceland in 16** ? 
, Croatia in 18 and Italy in 20/21.
Now add France in 22 to the list.
Hell, even on those rare occasions when they either 1. DON'T concede or 2. they DO score twice, they STILL come a cropper in penalties
(eg Argentina in 98, Portugal in 06, Italy in 12).
The very rare exceptions to the rule are....in knockout games, the 0-0 vs Spain at Euro 96 and the 1-1 with Columbia in WC 2018, which by coincidence, stand out as the only penalty shootouts they have won in the last....erm....forever?
As well as group games against Germany in 00 and Argentina in 02, which they both won 1-0.
But I think most of us would agree, those two teams were arguably among the weakest those two countries have had in decades.
The really good teams find ways to win when they don't play well. France were clearly second best tonight.
But they took "just enough" of their chances when they came.
England, some way, somehow, just find a way to lose when it really matters. Because they seem to be incapable of keeping a clean sheet.
Until they fix that and develop some ruthlessness (scoring 6 against Iran or Panama in the group stage does NOT count) and become a bit more "streetwise", it will be more of the same.
The problem is, time and time again, one has almost always proven to not be enough. The list is long....
Argentina in 86, West Germany in 90, Sweden in 92** (Cue Barry Davies doing his own rendition of Dolly Parton's Jolene when Sweden scored the winning goal
), Germany in 96, Brazil in 02, Portugal in 04, Germany in 10, Iceland in 16** ? , Croatia in 18 and Italy in 20/21.Now add France in 22 to the list.
Hell, even on those rare occasions when they either 1. DON'T concede or 2. they DO score twice, they STILL come a cropper in penalties
(eg Argentina in 98, Portugal in 06, Italy in 12).
The very rare exceptions to the rule are....in knockout games, the 0-0 vs Spain at Euro 96 and the 1-1 with Columbia in WC 2018, which by coincidence, stand out as the only penalty shootouts they have won in the last....erm....forever?
As well as group games against Germany in 00 and Argentina in 02, which they both won 1-0.
But I think most of us would agree, those two teams were arguably among the weakest those two countries have had in decades.
The really good teams find ways to win when they don't play well. France were clearly second best tonight.
But they took "just enough" of their chances when they came.
England, some way, somehow, just find a way to lose when it really matters. Because they seem to be incapable of keeping a clean sheet.
Until they fix that and develop some ruthlessness (scoring 6 against Iran or Panama in the group stage does NOT count) and become a bit more "streetwise", it will be more of the same.
He gets it
Finally, some common sense, away from all the demented tub- thumping and delusions of grandeur!
It's been like this for many a tournament, and the team hyped up to the hilt almost every time. But when you've seen England exhibit the same traits, then the "We woz unlucky!" shtick becomes tiresome.
It stopped being a hopeful cause years ago, and has become a painful chore instead, watching England find new and inventive ways to 'unluckily' get robbed when other countries manage to always find that 'extra something' that England seem to lack. Ah yes, killer instinct and resolve, that's the buggers!
Fact is England's best lot was in '06, and the pool of talent got squandered in that WC, I don't believe for one second that the class of '22 was in any way better than Beckham, Rooney, Lampard etc, despite the media wank-fest.
It all gets boring, very quickly, as were the protestations aimed at tonight's Brazilian ref, who, although heavily biased, didn't make Kane miss that penalty - the man who I've not seen miss one pen for club or country as long as I've watched him. And yet, when the chips are down, he misses.
The very reason why Kane will never be considered an all-time great and will have a trophy cabinet more barren than the Sahara desert.
You have to ask yourself how countries with minute populations like Croatia, and footballing minnows like Morocco can get further in a WC than England, up until you realize that they defended as though their lives depended on it and exhibited levels of concentration England can only dream of, i.e throughout the whole match.
England for all their talent just cannot get their mentality right for big tournaments and play 'ugly' if need be. And I guess until they show some backbone, we'll be stuck with Baldrick & Grifter wailing that 'anthem' until 2050 ?
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Was driving most of the day yesterday so had to make do with the Radio but when i started to hear: 'the referee' i thought oh here we go again: thought we'd got past that. Though not as bad as yesteryears gone by where it was the pigeons fault, the grass looked angry etc
Teams who play like France, and win the games at this stage typically go onto win it. You just feel like England need to be at full pelt to win games, whereas as shown last night, you need your players on some occasions to be pretty average and still squeeze it out - Eng aren't capable of that yet.
For them to go from a good group team, even past the quarters they need some of that Croatia mentality.
Teams who play like France, and win the games at this stage typically go onto win it. You just feel like England need to be at full pelt to win games, whereas as shown last night, you need your players on some occasions to be pretty average and still squeeze it out - Eng aren't capable of that yet.
For them to go from a good group team, even past the quarters they need some of that Croatia mentality.
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I watched the game with Mrs Chopley and we both agreed France were the better side, the final score seemed about right to us. England's only real attempts on goal were from setpieces, which isn't enough when you're playing in a World Cup quarter final, and if that's what you're relying on, you really need to at least be on target from the penalty spot.
That's not to say England were awful, there was a lot about the football they played to like, but France brought more to the game overall and got the result they deserved.
My advice to Gareth Southgate in my capacity as a professional football pundit would be to put together a team that scores more goals whilst conceding fewer goals, and then they will win.
That's not to say England were awful, there was a lot about the football they played to like, but France brought more to the game overall and got the result they deserved.
My advice to Gareth Southgate in my capacity as a professional football pundit would be to put together a team that scores more goals whilst conceding fewer goals, and then they will win.
The hatred towards the Brazilian ref is on the wane, the guy who was merely a 'Video Assistant Referee' stuck in a room not that long ago, somehow permitted to sabotage Englands' dream......
......and has now shifted towards Mbappe, who - as the headlines will state 'laughed at Harry Kane's miss' before saying in the same article that he was simply letting out a jubilant cry at Kane's let-off - as the country and media seeks its new public enemy #1.
So.......who will be the New Winker?
......and has now shifted towards Mbappe, who - as the headlines will state 'laughed at Harry Kane's miss' before saying in the same article that he was simply letting out a jubilant cry at Kane's let-off - as the country and media seeks its new public enemy #1.
So.......who will be the New Winker?
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I'd have liked to have seen the team, other than Saka, come out in the 2nd half riding mobility scooters, then we might have had some movement!
There's a weak boyscout aspect to some of England's team, surrounding the ref as if he was the answer to all their woes 'ref that decision is not fair' whereas the french just got on with it [including a fair bit of niggly holding and sly cheats] Didier deschamp was a bit like that as a player, look for and gain any edge to win.
Gareth just does not have that level of tactical nous mixed with inner fire, swap managers and we'd have won.
Edit: Also benching grealish for sterling when the former can create more; a subbed on sterling late in the game with fresh legs could also then be a weapon if needed.
There's a weak boyscout aspect to some of England's team, surrounding the ref as if he was the answer to all their woes 'ref that decision is not fair' whereas the french just got on with it [including a fair bit of niggly holding and sly cheats] Didier deschamp was a bit like that as a player, look for and gain any edge to win.
Gareth just does not have that level of tactical nous mixed with inner fire, swap managers and we'd have won.
Edit: Also benching grealish for sterling when the former can create more; a subbed on sterling late in the game with fresh legs could also then be a weapon if needed.
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Reading an article earlier, by Oliver Holt, whose opinions I don't always agree with, but is generally on the money and a prolific Sports columnist, I saw Argentina's post-Holland game antics laid bare.
All the more bewildering, as much like everyone else, I was shown footage of Argentina going to their fans amidst all the jubilation of their close-fought and sometimes 'spikey' encounter in that QF.....
And yet we had Argentina's players positively rubbing it in the faces of the Dutch players with all the sportsmanship and grace of baboons, jumping in the faces of the crestfallen Dutch team and staff. And more tellingly, they did it as a collective, including Messi, and all tainted the art of fair play, and the myth that Messi is pure as the driven snow and that he embodies all that is beautiful about football in his on-field brilliance and quiet demeanour.....
On the flipside, it shows the trance-like mentality these teams whip themselves into, where the winner takes all, and 'F*** your feelings'. And although England could do with some of that brutal mindset, it's still shit to see, and at odds with say Croatia's mentality, where they just get on with it, minus the grotesque parody 'celebration'.
So yeah, f*** Messi & f*** Argentina. Here's hoping Croatia do 'em
All the more bewildering, as much like everyone else, I was shown footage of Argentina going to their fans amidst all the jubilation of their close-fought and sometimes 'spikey' encounter in that QF.....
And yet we had Argentina's players positively rubbing it in the faces of the Dutch players with all the sportsmanship and grace of baboons, jumping in the faces of the crestfallen Dutch team and staff. And more tellingly, they did it as a collective, including Messi, and all tainted the art of fair play, and the myth that Messi is pure as the driven snow and that he embodies all that is beautiful about football in his on-field brilliance and quiet demeanour.....
On the flipside, it shows the trance-like mentality these teams whip themselves into, where the winner takes all, and 'F*** your feelings'. And although England could do with some of that brutal mindset, it's still shit to see, and at odds with say Croatia's mentality, where they just get on with it, minus the grotesque parody 'celebration'.
So yeah, f*** Messi & f*** Argentina. Here's hoping Croatia do 'em
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I wouldn't want England to become a cheating team like the argies just to win, I didn't watch the whole of that game but Holland remind me of england, being kind of passive passengers in a game rather than straining every sinew in attack, the mentality of if we can keep the game 0-0 for long enough something might then happen. The dutch 88 team were not like that, they made things happen. That is the only way of beating the cheating teams, and I include france in that though they're not the worse, otherwise over 90 mins all their gamesmanship ends up paying dividends in a close game.
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This. It just makes me laugh every single time. That shitty "football coming home" song, the best team since 1966 that is going to do it this year and all that other bollocks. Every time the same result.
Just let them play their game. If they win the tournament, then celebrate rather than do this when the England coach first picks his team for the tournament when the media already is declaring it the best team evar.
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With everything that had been said and mostly agreed with, I do have a really good feeling about Euro '24
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The most pop video on the net right now it's Ronaldo crying ?
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What a winker
Watching Portugal go out was almost as good as winning the trophy. I would love to see Morocco win the cup.
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This is very apt LOL
So it is Jonny Wilkinson's fault!
So it is Jonny Wilkinson's fault!
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There is a bit of me that felt sad for the them to go out, but the other side of: will i ever hear the end of it, won out
As the advert here in the past summarised it:
I had an Irn Bru in 1966 but you don't hear me go on about it
Tbf pinning the blame on the donkey hasn't been as bad in recent years - remember the crap Beckham got with his sending off, as if he was the only player in the team etc.
Just waiting on Norn Ireland finding 11 Brazilians/French players who have a second cousin twice removed, who was a lover with their cousin, on pledging their allegiance to Windsor Park. Then we can dream.
As the advert here in the past summarised it:
I had an Irn Bru in 1966 but you don't hear me go on about it
Tbf pinning the blame on the donkey hasn't been as bad in recent years - remember the crap Beckham got with his sending off, as if he was the only player in the team etc.
Just waiting on Norn Ireland finding 11 Brazilians/French players who have a second cousin twice removed, who was a lover with their cousin, on pledging their allegiance to Windsor Park. Then we can dream.
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I want a Argentina vs France final
Caveat: I am the second coming of John Motson and this means it will be a Croatia vs Morocco Final. ???
Caveat: I am the second coming of John Motson and this means it will be a Croatia vs Morocco Final. ???
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At the beginning of this match, I didn’t really root for anyone, but at the end of the match I realized that I still rooted for Potugalia. ? Too unexpected WСWhat a winker
Watching Portugal go out was almost as good as winning the trophy. I would love to see Morocco win the cup.
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The perfect description of this WC. I think all the fans are in shock. 2022, wake up!It'll be Croatia v France*......though if Morocco were to get through instead, it'd be a neutral supporter's nightmare. It'd be like underdog heaven
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It'll be Croatia v France*......though if Morocco were to get through instead, it'd be a neutral supporter's nightmare. It'd be like underdog heaven
? exactly like previous WC, with Croatia winning this time
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