Fee's fees fees and more fees

dreamguardian1

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So I want to get other US players thoughts on this so we can yell at some of the casinos some more about their Fees. Everyone remember the day there was no cashout fees IF you cashed out over a certain amount. Now the only way to get free is via bitcoin at some (FORGET IT). Wire transfer $25-$35 (yes casinomax im talking to you) Courier check $25.00 (the most that costs is #4.99) I know I have sent courier checks). This is NOT counting the conversion fees the bank charges us for deposits *which makes no sense since these are sent via US funds lol) . Bank incoming wire transfer fee from the depositing bank $12.00 to $20.00 to deposit in your own account

So Lets ay a person deposits $75.00 Bank or cc does a fee on that turns out to be aobut $81.00 deposit totally by time fees are done. Person makes playthrough and wins $200.00 is it worth it to even bother to cash out. NO and the casinos know this and are hoping you will keep playing and lose it. Your actual deposit after fees is only going to be about %150to $175 which you will use anyway at some point to play with.

I think maybe casinos should take loyalty points and customer loyalty into account here and after being with a casino for so long, winning a certain amount and cashing out a certain amount have a way to deposit or transfer for free OR reduced cost by using their loyalty points (not all but some of them) I still remember the pay my card option that was SOOO EASY and CHEAPER....

Thoughts?
 

imanorange

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Man, talk about brutal.

I guess all I can say is "Welcome to America" this day and age. The old "nickel and dime you to death routine." One of the reasons why I left a long time ago. I'm from the US myself (California). Sadly this type of mindset/treatment is quite the mainstream status quo. Try doing anything on a Federal or State level and it can be worse.

The same mentality exists with today's adopted custom of tipping. If you leave no tip or below 10-15% you are treated with disdain with a customer should be treated like gold. Going back to the 1950s and before it was considered "UnAmerican" to accept tips for the most part.

Asking for fees to do their job? Borderline criminal..... Personally, I vote with my feet (or fingers in this case) and move on.

I think you are 100% warranted to be angry and spot on. Sorry to hear how extreme some places are. Thanks for the information and good luck.
 

slotmaster

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Ontario
Nothing to do with casino's but I miss the "ole" days so much, There were respect, customer service, people took responsibility and no fees. I am trying to figure out a way to get away from fees myself the best I can, I have to pay to just make a payment and able to make a payment and of course access my money.
 
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cheetahwind

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Location
Iowa
I realize you said no to BTC, but this is why I like BTC. I can gamble and not have to worry about getting whacked so much.

I have a BTC prepaid visa that works great for instant cash outs. If I get a bit more than my visa can handle, I have several online vendors that are willing to work with me.

Plus with BTC I can play for free and never once deposit a dime of my own cash.

I just don't understand why so many Americans haven't caught onto the fact you play at many BTC sites and not have to pay a dime of your own money.

Sure at times I use my own cash but then at that point because of BTC's situation I still think even with the price hike, the fees for sending and receiving are still pretty reasonable to boot.

Why are folks still giving these RTG operations even a second look, when clearly everyone wants to take a dip of the pot. It's a wonder how they even make money anywho. I mean if there getting whacked the steep fees for taking your money and getting whacked hard core when you want to take money. It's a wonder they can even support themselves. I remember at one point reading about how a place pays a 10% credit card transaction fee, plus the processor doesn't release there funds for up to 90 days after the transaction. Then to send a check it was like $200 to send you a check, $300 for a wire, and forget about the western union or money gram options.

Why would anyone want to deal in credit or bank card with any US player. I'm still a huge fan of Crypto and the many of things it can do for a person.
 

imanorange

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Location
Thailand
Gotta love the levity and humor, thanks for the chuckles folks.

I agree this is not just a casino issue whatsoever as it spreads across society as a whole which is even more sickening. Personally, I call it the "human condition" which can be argued is rather prevalent globally. Since the internet started things have accelerated to where we have arrived today. Where that might be is anybody's guess but society has certainly deteriorated since the 1960s IMHO. I could go on and on but it's OFT and I don't wish to get political on this board or any of the others I use and the two that I own.

Regarding your banking fees and accessing your money issues, then you should certainly get a prepaid Visa/Mastercard or E-Wallet as a solution. Great practices to keep your gambling expenses isolated for both help control yourself or make the mistake of comingling your gambling budget with your household cash flow. That's an accident waiting to happen IMHO. These monetary instruments are sold everywhere for insignificant fees as they can be reloaded for a long time and be used for your casino finances. You should be able to get one at your local bank or get one from a reputable online company that handles this for a living. There are websites dedicated to E-Wallets and Prepaids. It's a good place to gain some knowledge if you need it and find out the best options available. Hope this helps..... Cheers and good luck!
 

MintDice

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Bitcoin/crypto is definitely one of the better and more frictionless payment systems for gambling today. Fiat is expensive for compliance and just to hold it, so that's my best suggestion.
 

Karolina-CasinoMax

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Location
UK
So I want to get other US players thoughts on this so we can yell at some of the casinos some more about their Fees. Everyone remember the day there was no cashout fees IF you cashed out over a certain amount. Now the only way to get free is via bitcoin at some (FORGET IT). Wire transfer $25-$35 (yes casinomax im talking to you) Courier check $25.00 (the most that costs is #4.99) I know I have sent courier checks). This is NOT counting the conversion fees the bank charges us for deposits *which makes no sense since these are sent via US funds lol) . Bank incoming wire transfer fee from the depositing bank $12.00 to $20.00 to deposit in your own account

So Lets ay a person deposits $75.00 Bank or cc does a fee on that turns out to be aobut $81.00 deposit totally by time fees are done. Person makes playthrough and wins $200.00 is it worth it to even bother to cash out. NO and the casinos know this and are hoping you will keep playing and lose it. Your actual deposit after fees is only going to be about %150to $175 which you will use anyway at some point to play with.

I think maybe casinos should take loyalty points and customer loyalty into account here and after being with a casino for so long, winning a certain amount and cashing out a certain amount have a way to deposit or transfer for free OR reduced cost by using their loyalty points (not all but some of them) I still remember the pay my card option that was SOOO EASY and CHEAPER....

Thoughts?

Hi dreamguardian1,

I just wanted to clarify that we have fixed fee for Bank Wire and Checks of $25, Bitcoin pay outs are free of charge. As you can imagine casino itself is not a processing company so we use 3rd party processing in order to send any funds to the customers. I can confirm that those fees are usually much, much higher than that. We do cover most of the fee and customer pays the $25.

In regards to the intermediary bank fees or your own bank fees - that's something we do not have control over. It all depend on what type of bank account is used for such transfers.

I miss the Pay2Card option too as it was the best and quickest way for payments, however I cannot see this coming back anytime soon.

As others suggested may be worth looking into setting Bitcoin wallet. Pay outs are much more quicker to wallets as well.

Kind Regards,
Karolina
 

Mathias2k5

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US
Just be grateful the bitcoin fee is free. There are some casino's like VegasCrest that charge a 10% fee on your bitcoin withdrawal. So you if you withdrawal $1000 you have to pay $100 in fee's.
 

dreamguardian1

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Just be grateful the bitcoin fee is free. There are some casino's like VegasCrest that charge a 10% fee on your bitcoin withdrawal. So you if you withdrawal $1000 you have to pay $100 in fee's.
I don't use bitcoin especially now that the US Government is charging taxes on bitcoin. Many fail to forget our president is a #@$3D but that's just my opionion..
 

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