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Fed-up with endless TCs from online casinos !

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by philipfromparis, Feb 23, 2005.

    Feb 23, 2005
  1. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    Hi everybody,


    I was to play to a new MG casino yesterday. I was very impressed by the bonus offered with registration but after beeing arrived on the Bonus terms and conditions page, I let it be ! I didn't feel like reading three pages written in small writing.

    I'm fed-up with endless bonus casino TCs. Soon, we'll all need to be a jurist to play slots !!

    Philipfromparis
     
  2. Feb 23, 2005
  3. parkmyjag

    parkmyjag Dormant account

    Location:
    Planet Earth :)
    I too am fed-up with all this T&C for sign-up bonuses. Have you noticed how the casinos are forcing us to play only games we have no chance on winning.

    What ever happened to free spirit and all that. Most are now restricting Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, Blackjack, Red Dog, Sic Bo and Video Poker.

    I guess Bonus days are numbered. It is better just putting in the money you can afford to lose and go with that. I was trying to use the bonus to increase my bank, don't give a monkeys if I can withdraw the bonus or not. As customers we need to take a stand to all this c%@p the casinos are dishing at us. :sniper:

    park
     
  4. Feb 24, 2005
  5. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    I'm sorry ... you want free money, but you don't want to have to work for it??!? :what:

    If you can find a place that will give you free money with no work on your part whatsoever, I'd ask you to tell me where it is, but don't think you (or anyone) would as they'd keep it to themselves.

    However, the little work scanning T&Cs that's involved is well worth the payoff, if used correctly (IMHO).
     
  6. Feb 24, 2005
  7. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California

    Completely agree. Even if it takes 30 minutes, it's not a bad return when the bonus can be $100.

    And if you're unwilling to read the T&Cs, then just play without the bonus.
     
  8. Feb 24, 2005
  9. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Its like anything in life: if its free it's probably gonna get abused. If it gets abused, everyone is going to pay the price. I agree with Dickens :thumbsup:
     
  10. Feb 24, 2005
  11. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

    Occupation:
    al Hazard
    Location:
    Location, Location!
    I hardly ever read T&C's, but then as primarily a slots player - you don't have to.

    If I get particularly lucky, I just cash out when I feel I've probably there or thereabouts made the wagering requirements and I've not been stopped from collecting my winnings yet. The best estimate I ever did was when I cashed out and realised I'd gone through the wagering requirements seven times over :oops:

    Mathematical genius, that's me.
     
  12. Feb 24, 2005
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Actuall thats one of the biggest issues with MG - you have no way of telling when you have reached the WR. Nothing pees you off more when you cash out and they reverse it back to your account because of falling short.
     
  14. Feb 24, 2005
  15. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California
    Actually, a number of the MG casinos have a decent enough CS support group that you could literally call and ask where are you vis-a-vis your WR.
     
  16. Feb 24, 2005
  17. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

    Occupation:
    al Hazard
    Location:
    Location, Location!
    Is there no way of telling with the cashcheck/playcheck thing?!? I've never really looked into it.

    I emailed them purely out of interest last time, and they emailed my total play figures back for the period. Didn't realise you couldn't check yourself, I thought I was just being lazy :D
     
  18. Feb 24, 2005
  19. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Yep, and if you do the same at Fortune Lounge casinos they'll pocket the bonus instead of reversing it - a nice little trick to increase their revenue.

    Playcheck is a joke if you want to check how much you've wagered - some people use it and spend ages cutting and pasting into a spreadsheet, but it's really a scandal. The only possible justification for them not improving it seems to be to make sure people wager more than necessary. Just like the only reason for not correcting the errors in the default BJ autoplay strategy is to fraudulently increase the house edge.

    This industry will never be a reputable one unless the main software provider (and all the casinos using it) clean up their act.

    Ok, rant over! :p
     
  20. Feb 24, 2005
  21. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Lol - the subtle sarcasm is appreciated Dickens :) Its on a par with the "Reverse Withdrawal" trick, er sorry, "highly valued feature" eh :)
     
  22. Feb 24, 2005
  23. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    My suggestion is that you don't call but e-mail, so if there is any dispute when you try to withdraw, you have it in writing that you have met the WR.

    I use Playcheck and I think it is the best. You can paste it in a spreadsheet and analyze your results. You cannot do it with other brands of software, are they afraid of statistical analysis?

    If you don't want to mess with Playcheck, you can use the comp points to calculate how much you wagered. Of course, this does not work if you accrue comp points at different rates on different games.
     
  24. Feb 24, 2005
  25. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    Personally, I find all this WR stuff so much of a pain, it ruins any fun I may have playing. If I want to do math problems, I don't have to go to an online casino to do it.

    I now just avoid the whole thing and play without bonus.

    My beef remains that you cannot choose whther you want an bonus or not before you deposit. It ought to be made available by law!!!
     
  26. Feb 25, 2005
  27. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    Of course it worth scanning the TCs, but when they are longer than my dictionary, i'll go and see somewhere else. What i wanted to point out is that some players, like myself, turn away from casinos with such TCs, and it's a prejudicial thing for them, that's all.


    Have you thought about all the players who are not as well informed as you or i can be ? Who has never played at the beginning without even knowing that Bonus TCs did exist. That is more vicious when bonuses are credited automatically like in some playtech casinos.

    You're right in my opinion ! Fun is what counts over all. And as i'm not a jurist or a mathematician, i will turn away from new places in which i'm not familiar with Bonus TCs. :)

    Philipfromparis
     

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