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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by kimss, Nov 22, 2008.

    Nov 22, 2008
  1. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    I said it before, however I finally feel mature enough to accually mean it this time! I said it several times before, I know, however I feel I just aswell say goodbye to all the people here in the forum!

    I will not be attending the forum either, since we all know what happends when surfing around in the forum... You want to play! So this is a concious descision I just have to make, it sucks since I love gambling. Online gambling is very convinient, however very expencive.

    I remember Rowin had some issues with 3Dice, but after looking at the records he was all fine and dandy with the conclusion that on high variance slots you should not expect to win more than on each 20th session. So for some reason I sat down thinking of this, since MG has to be considered NOT high variance mostly. And I started looking into my logs for 2008, which has been one bad year in payout. I started looking at accounts, running the playcheck data through my analyzer and noticed that a few accounts on the MG casinos had 10.000+ spins with a <75% payout, and I have accounts with 100.000+ spins in 2008 with 87% payout aswell. Then I started looking at total deposits for 2008, and looked for any possible withdrawals.

    I did have one withdrawal on 3 January, however that was a win from christmas that went through - so in reality there are no withdrawals in 2008. I also noticed I tried to switch tactics in 2008, doing many spins on low wager play progressively. Statistically this means I did get more playtime, and alot more features, but the features are pretty much 100% payback all the time. Like - you start with $100, down to $30 you get the feature after progressive betting and you win $30 - back to scratch.

    Or - start with $500, down to $50 and win $400. This obviously seems to be a recurring pattern in my gameplay all over the place again and again. And I always go for the 1K marker.

    As far as I can see, regardless the deposits, I did reach 1K on 28 August (This however was after a 2K loss the previous week, so in reality no big deal). I should have cashed out, however I tipped below 1K and believed I could get back up again and lost it all. Other than that I must have trippled the deposit a handful of times, however when you have lost a few Ks in an account for some reason I have a problem settling for $300.

    In the end, especially looking at the last 3 months, I do not get a winning session in 20 session in MG. Surely I have a twisted way of looking at a winnings session, making $200 become $300 is not win in my head since it wouln't make up for today and previous days deposits.

    If doubling a deposit is concidered a win - and 1 session in 20 is concidered the norm - that means: $100 x 20 sessions = $2000 in wager. 1 winning sessions equals $100 x2 = $200 equals $1800 in losses. If this is the case it's even clearer to me, so again, doubling the deposit is not a win in my mind.

    This is clearly the reason why I am the perfect customer for the casino, and the reason why I either can or should allow myself to wager. Surely if I would like to ruin my life while getting thousands of dollards in bonuses while doing so, I should keep going...

    So why am I writing this at all? First of all I find it theraputic, second this is the right place to blow of the steem since you people atleast have the basic understanding on where I am coming from. Some of you I know agree with me, some of you feel I am a twisted moron with a big mouth! I do belive, from the bottom of my heart, that the online systems are rigged. I do not believe there are any online gaming system I have played that is not rigged. I know people like zoozie believes I am just a sucker for reading stats the wrong way, and that I do not have the basic understanding of chaos theory. (yo KK! :D). It really doesn't matter in the end, what should be impossible do happen! Seems to me you can skew the payuts in the MG system, however statistical abnormalities allows such "patterns" to emerge, and as we all know they usually (as in almost never) go in my favour. Maby I am just a sore looser, maby I just have a broken logic when it comes to random.

    However - pattern opr random - I will probably never understand why increasing the bet usually results in loosing even if you increase the bankroll equal to the increased bet! That is - if I can usually play 1 hour for $100 on $0.09, why on earth can I not play 1 hour on $1000 on $0.9? I never get that one, I never do! To bad I keep trying to proove this point with my money for a silly forum-argument? Believe you me, it's all very ironic really!

    Where do I go from now?

    Well thats a really good question. Do I need to stop wager online? Yes. Do I need to stop visiting this forum? Yes. Do I need to stop doing tournaments? Yes. Do I need to stop gambling all together? .... Ouch ... yes is the answer. To bad the funmode doesn't produce any adrenaline at all!

    I'm going to Spain during christmas, and I will most likely visit the casino there (we do not have casinos in Norway), however it will be a landbased one. I will leave my credit card at the hotell and only bring say 2K, and I will have to see if I can enjoy this experience or if I am totally lost in gambling at all. Well, to be honest it already sounds a little crazy since I am prepared to bring 2K into the casino, but what kind of fun do you get for a 100 bucks theese days?

    Well, I'll get back to this thread after christmas and sum up the result after the Spain casino trip and by then I will have made up my mind for whatever 2009 should hold for me!

    (Also, if for some reason any of the casino representatives in here where I did close down the accounts were to offer me more manager bonuses (or a casino I didn't even play at lately for that matter), please do, but just to let you know - they will all go for $25 spins on Harveys. If a feature is hit - whatever the win would be - remaining balance will be $20 spins on Glory of Rome. If feature achieved, I will most likely be above 1K and be a happy gambler again ready for new deposits! Atleast a few $25 spins will be quick and humane for me, :D Let me add, should the win which will not occure be above 2K, I will wager down to 1K on $90 on Good to go! That would make my day for sure!)

    Astalavista fellow gamblers!
     
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  2. Nov 22, 2008
  3. hushda24

    hushda24 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    pilot
    Location:
    uk
    Um i am a bit lost here :what: You start of stating your quiting,Then you end off stating your be back after xmas :confused: You need GA imho. Good luck what ever you do ?
     
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  4. Nov 22, 2008
  5. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    Just to clarify - I'll be back after christmas for the update on how the landbased experience went, since I have been biased from casino managers to believe online experience is just the same as landbased experience (except the fact that online machines supposedly pays out more that is). I am done with online gambling - B&M is just my last hope for gambling. If I don't handle that either, I have to quit it all together which will be very hard indeed to do! Most likely, lol, that Spain casino trip will cost me, :D
     
  6. Nov 22, 2008
  7. hushda24

    hushda24 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    pilot
    Location:
    uk
    Kmiss please dont bother coming back,And do not take this the wrong way. You said yourself that you have to stop coming here(casinomeister) Now have a great xmas and enjoy yourself in spain. Tonight you have taken the 1st step in quitting online,Dont fall off the second rung hunny. Take care kimss
    hushda x
     
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  8. Nov 22, 2008
  9. Luigi810

    Luigi810 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Philadelphia
    Good luck to you Kimss, Have a safe trip to Spain, a Very Merry Christmas and Happy New, "New" Year
     
  10. Nov 22, 2008
  11. Pocketdiggers77

    Pocketdiggers77 Gamester

    Occupation:
    Systems Analyst
    Location:
    On Top of Old Smokey

    Man you crack me up. Maybe you should quit gambling and do standup. I hear thats an adrenaline rush. If you want to quit then quit but you can still get your fix betting smaller amounts. GA is for quitters!

    Have fun in Spain my friend.

    PD
     
  12. Nov 22, 2008
  13. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    12th man
    Location:
    Australia
    :lolup: you bad bad person pocketdiggers
     
  14. Nov 22, 2008
  15. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    - Setting high win thresholds can be tough. I had a stretch where I wanted to get 3x my balance before cashing out. (and this was with low-variance blackjack). I lost twenty-two deposits in a row.

    - This is probably a warning sign.

    - I don't recommend doing any gambling, including going to brick and mortar casinos.
     
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  16. Nov 22, 2008
  17. daywalker

    daywalker Dormant account

    Occupation:
    .........
    Location:
    UK
    kimss

    PMSL

    You say you should quit but then you are going to a land based casino then you pratically start begging for casinos to offer you a bonus to go back and play.
    :lolsign:

    I think you have an attention seeking disorder more than anything.
     
  18. Nov 22, 2008
  19. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    Correction: The reason I wrote that is because I do get theese bonuses all the time, $100-$500 here and there thrown in my face each time I quit (obviously to keep me going)! Biggest I got was around 3K to keep going (yes, that's free money thrown in your face to not close account), however that was 2 years ago when I was betting much harder than now. By writing what I did I have predefined my behaviour to minimum damage, avoiding longplay and getting back into the gambling modus, hence still have a chance to a possible good win.

    Then why do I hide in an online casino? Doesn't sound right, :D

    Anyways, thanks for responses people, I appretiate it! And yes - I will be removing myself from this forum aswell during this weekend! You are a great crowd!
     
  20. Nov 22, 2008
  21. heatherad

    heatherad Senior Member

    Occupation:
    counsellor
    Location:
    Canada
    Good luck in all your future endeavors kimms! I will miss reading your posts as I often found them very interesting.
    Take care!
     
  22. Nov 22, 2008
  23. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    Kimss I wish you the very best.
    Good Luck to ya.
    B-T Tom

    [​IMG]
     
  24. Nov 22, 2008
  25. mild2wild

    mild2wild Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Land of Oz
    kimss,

    No doubt this is and will be a difficult decision for you, my wish for you is strength and guidance. My hope for you is to find other outlets to give you that "rush" without being left under a financial burden. New activites and ideas could open up new possibilites and new friends! Though I will miss your posts I will certainly be happy for you knowing you have moved on to another chapter of your life.

    Best wishes in your endeavors and I hope you have a wonderful holiday and the best New Year ever!:)
     
  26. Nov 22, 2008
  27. ballysdb

    ballysdb Dormant account

    Occupation:
    automotive biller
    Location:
    Long Island NY
    Good luck! We will miss you!
     
  28. Nov 22, 2008
  29. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA

    Ditto!
     
  30. Nov 22, 2008
  31. hippo925

    hippo925 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    medical field
    Location:
    so cal
    You've posted some of the most insightful threads and i've always enjoyed reading your thoughts. You will be missed and i wish you the best!

    p.s. once you stated how MG slots may be just a few slots with hundreds of skins... i believe you!;) (i have my reasons :rolleyes:)
     
  32. Nov 22, 2008
  33. Alexishot69

    Alexishot69 Banned User

    Occupation:
    computing
    Location:
    Edinburgh
    kmiss

    i feel your frustration 100% my friend i truly do..in one week ill be recieving a 50 bonus on MG/32red and after that ill be excluding myself ..not cos i have a gambling problem but cos i know as you do and may others here do that MG casinosare not playing true t form..the US market has hit them hard and what do they do? as well all know they are sucking the /$ dry without return from allover europe.i think your doing the honourable thing in being amn enough to say what ya said and i for one wil miss your insightful posts..meanwhile read this and the other link...all the very best kmiss ..http://www.casinomeister.com/quit_gambling.php amd You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  34. Nov 24, 2008
  35. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Antiques Dealer
    Location:
    NOT Pennsylvania!!!
    All the best Kmiss :thumbsup:

    The simple truth is not many players make money off casinos. That is why they have marble halls and many cashpoints.

    Enjoy Spain but please try and keep off playing 'scare the ball' too much ;).

    I hope you enjoy yourself anywys :thumbsup:.
     

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