EZ Bonus explained?

Stanford

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I am not sure I really understand EZ Bonus from MicroGaming.

The first thing it says is wager only your Bonus - not your deposit.

So, if I deposit $100 for a 25% bonus, I have a total of $125. Now say I want to place a bet for $50. How do I wager only the bonus? If I lose, I now have $75. Has my bonus been wiped out?

I must say this new method looks promising. It says all games can be played but some may not count dollar for dollar. Is the amount they count consistant across the various MicroGaming's using this method?

Other comments from players or casino reps?

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Egads!!!!!!!!

I am apologizing in advance.......no offense meant but it's killing me....and now I am going to go faint from holding it all in....KERPLUNK!
 

Stanford

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I found this

I found this thread that helps:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...nus-system.12494/?highlight=Bonus+MicroGaming

There may be others but one can't search on "EZ" as the word is to short - so it says.

I did look at the Ts/Cs at one casino and found:

"Different games played may contribute a different percentage of the wager - up to 100%, towards the required play-through.
The contributing percentages are as follows:
(a) Slots, American Roulette and Parlor Games count 100% towards wagering requirements
(b) Table Poker, all Roulettes excluding American Roulette, Casino War and Sicbo count 10% towards wagering requirements
(c) Video Poker, all Blackjacks except Classic Blackjack, Craps and Baccarat count 2% towards wagering requirements
(d) Classic Blackjack counts 1% towards wagering requirements. "

But I still have questions.

The same Ts/Cs said:

"Play-through is achieved when any real money wager is made. The Player can use either their bonus or their cash account."

&

"For any wagers made, the wager is deducted from the Player’s cash account. If there is no cash available, then the wager is deducted from the bonus account. This effectively means that funds in the Player’s bonus account are only played if there is no cash balance."

So that answers my original question - I think. The web site says:

"Wager only your bonus, not your deposit" but the above makes clear that one can't do that - doesn't it?

I still don't know if the play through discounts for the different games are consistant from property to property.

Any updates from players?

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Vesuvio

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Stanford said:
The first thing it says is wager only your Bonus - not your deposit.

So, if I deposit $100 for a 25% bonus, I have a total of $125. Now say I want to place a bet for $50. How do I wager only the bonus? If I lose, I now have $75. Has my bonus been wiped out?
The bonus amount stays at $25 until your balance hits zero, unless you wager enough to convert some or all of it into cash. The wagering is only a multiple of the bonus, so in that sense you're not wagering your deposit. [on second thoughts, if you're on $10 your bonus amount must be $10, so I've confused myself, even though I've played with the system!]

Stanford said:
I must say this new method looks promising.
I think it was a breath of fresh air and did simplify things greatly: all games allowed, no confiscation of funds for mistakes, no need to contact CS to check wagering, the possibility of withdrawing if you hit a good win, knowing for certain that if you withdraw you'll receive the amount you withdraw (not waiting for an audit), and so on.

Unfortunately the casinos are now backtracking and adding terms that contradict the system - e.g. you can withdraw at any time, but not if we think you're bypassing the wagering requirements :confused: So sadly it looks like an opportunity missed to simply things for all involved.
 
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Stanford

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Vesuvio said:
The bonus amount stays at $25 until your balance hits zero

Unfortunately the casinos are now backtracking and adding terms that contradict the system - e.g. you can withdraw at any time, but not if we think you're bypassing the wagering requirements :confused: So sadly it looks like an opportunity missed to simply things for all involved.

Thanks Vesuvio. Regarding your first comment and just to clarify, one can wager the bonus at any time but loses come from the deposit money first correct? It isn't like cash back where it is only available as it is earned.

Regarding the second, I see where Goldren Reef (or Good Grief as I call them) is not allowing the withdrawal. Are other casinos also shying away from their own Ts/Cs? From the web site I visited:

"You don't need to meet the entire wagering requirements before you receive any benefit ...You decide when you want to cashin and how much wagering is still required - All in real time ...Guaranteed Cashins! NO MORE token refunds, no more frustration"

That's a pretty good statement. I agree with you that something like this has potential.

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Re: Searching for short (< 3 letters) words

A trick to this is to use google.

ie: On google, search for:

site:casinomeister.com <search string>

Works great for any other website too.
 

sal monella

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I believe there are variations from one group to another, but in general, the bonuses are not risk-free. The deposit money is wagered first.

Wager requirements are typically quite challenging. I haven't seen anything lower than 15x bonus for slots, and 150x bonus for video poker or blackjack.

Tracking one's progress is much improved. Hovering the cursor over the balance at lower-left shows bonus funds versus regular cash funds, and there's also a way to see the exact amount wagered (or maybe remaining to be wagered) toward the bonus.
 

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Stanford said:
Regarding your first comment and just to clarify, one can wager the bonus at any time but loses come from the deposit money first correct? It isn't like cash back where it is only available as it is earned.
Yep, that's right.
Stanford said:
Regarding the second, I see where Golden Reef (or Good Grief as I call them) is not allowing the withdrawal. Are other casinos also shying away from their own Ts/Cs? From the web site I visited:

"You don't need to meet the entire wagering requirements before you receive any benefit ...You decide when you want to cashin and how much wagering is still required - All in real time ...Guaranteed Cashins! NO MORE token refunds, no more frustration"

That's a pretty good statement. I agree with you that something like this has potential.
I was thinking particularly of the new MG casino being talked about on another thread. They have "abuse" terms which negate the terms relating to the bonus system: Link Removed (invalid URL)
 

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I have to admit it's a very fair system in that the bonus contribution of various games is proportional to the house advantage. As a player I don't like it, but it does appear to meet the casino objective of extending one's play without actually enabling an easy profit.
 

Stanford

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Hold on Slots

I wonder what the hold on MG slots are. I see American Roulette clears dollar for dollar and that is about 5.26%.

Anyway, what I like about it is that you can just walk away from wagering requirements and take your winnings with you. If I read this correctly, there is no minimum required. I often leave a casino after playing my deposit though only a small amount.

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Stanford said:
I wonder what the hold on MG slots are. I see American Roulette clears dollar for dollar and that is about 5.26%.
According to the Price Waterhouse audit reports linked from some Microgaming casino web pages, the house advantage for slots appears to be between 4 and 5%, on average.

Regarding the ability to cash out early, it's common for the bonus to clear in increments such as $10, so it would be a good idea to check to see if you're close to clearing the next incremental amount. Generally the remaining uncleared bonus amount is forfeited in the event of an early cashout.
 

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Not so EZ

Riverbelle have now started with this.
Their terms are totally different to the general trend,
Many of the SLOTS only count 67% on a 30x playthrough (WTF)
BUT, Table Poker counts 100% instead of the usual 50% (Idiots!)

So, Thunderstruck, with a proven house edge of 5% (Zoozie's Java simulator), counts only for 67% of a 30x WR, but the Table Poker games, with house edge between 2% and 3% count in full. They are kinder on Blackjack and VP too!

Play on different game groups contribute differently to
the overall wager requirement being met.
Please see below for a detailed breakdown.

100% of wagers on Slots; Progressive Slots; Table
Poker; Red dog; Sic Bo; Keno and Scratch games

67% of wagers on Roulette; Video Slots; Paigow Poker

33% of wagers on Craps; Blackjack; Baccarat;
Video Poker
 

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vinylweatherman said:
Riverbelle have now started with this.
Their terms are totally different to the general trend,
Many of the SLOTS only count 67% on a 30x playthrough (WTF)
BUT, Table Poker counts 100% instead of the usual 50% (Idiots!)...

100% of wagers on Slots; Progressive Slots; Table
Poker; Red dog; Sic Bo; Keno and Scratch games

67% of wagers on Roulette; Video Slots; Paigow Poker

33% of wagers on Craps; Blackjack; Baccarat;
Video Poker

I like that schedule best so far. It allows craps and blackjack. Just got a promo from Spin Palace. This is there breakout:

100% - all Slots, American Roulette and all Parlor Games
50% - all Table Pokers, Red Dog, all Roulettes (excluding American Roulette), Casino War and Sic Bo
10% - all Video Pokers (except all Aces Poker), all Blackjacks (except Classic Blackjack), all Craps and
all Baccarats
2% - Classic Blackjack and All Aces Video Poker

I can find puts and takes on all of these schedules. I am glad that all the games are counting and that one can leave at will.

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vinylweatherman

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Don't count on it!

Stanford said:
I like that schedule best so far. It allows craps and blackjack. Just got a promo from Spin Palace. This is there breakout:

100% - all Slots, American Roulette and all Parlor Games
50% - all Table Pokers, Red Dog, all Roulettes (excluding American Roulette), Casino War and Sic Bo
10% - all Video Pokers (except all Aces Poker), all Blackjacks (except Classic Blackjack), all Craps and
all Baccarats
2% - Classic Blackjack and All Aces Video Poker

I can find puts and takes on all of these schedules. I am glad that all the games are counting and that one can leave at will.

Stanford

This "cash out at any time" does not seem to be working. The Golden Reef thread is all about this. There is nothing in the RiverBelle terms that says you can cash in early, which gives the impression you will get the "BelleRock runaround" if you do, but it will be worse as the bonus will not automatically get token refunded when you are told you have not made WR.

I cannot understand why they have the 67% for Video Slots, unless the hold on these is less than we have been lead to believe. Surely it would not be a cynical trick on their part as these are probably the most popular games in the casino despite the high house edge; perhaps hoping players will not notice and think "hey, EZBonus - I know how that works so I don't really need to check the small print". This stunt has already been done by Casino Action with the 50x WR as well as the harsh game weightings, and players were not informed.
 

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vinylweatherman said:
Riverbelle have now started with this.
I'm looking at the signup bonus terms for Riverbelle. First thing I noticed was that they seem to have intended to reduce the bonus amount from 200 to 100, but the fine print still says 200.

The way I read the wagering percentage clause, it looks similar to the Fortune Lounge 20% restriction, meaning your wagers at the 33% or 67% games will count fully, but you can't play those games to meet the entire wager requirement.

I'm also not seeing any provision for Casino War, presumably an unintended omission.

I'm certainly intrigued by the distinction between video slots and regular or progressive slots. The 67% limitation on video slots seems to suggest they have a higher return than regular slots. This surprises me because video slots often have lots of time-wasting second-screen bonuses that reduce the amount of time the player spends actually coughing up money; I always assumed this was factored into the payback.

By the way I notice the Gaming Club has the same terms, but is holding steady with a 200 credit bonus.
 
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