Extra Chilli Should Be Banned

[Aryol]

Nice, although real money bets would have been more fun lol

Also I think people would have liked a break down of the wheel gambles win loss rather than all bundled together, eg how many green wheel win loss etc

Like I have said in previous posts the wheels seem fair albeit streaky.

Well, I have that information in my table, I will just show you how the table looks like:

You can assume when I won the gamble and when I lost the gamble because I always gambled till 24. Just to explain what "1" means at "12 spins". If there is a 1 it means I could have taken 12 spins, if there is a 0 it means I lost at the first gamble, and so on ...

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(Trigger Win = How much you get on the triggering win, I just wanted to know how often it happens and if the wins have a big impact on the overall RTP. Spin Trigger = 0 means normal trigger, 1 means = 8 +4, 2 means = 8 + 4 + 4, this was needed to know when I had gambled and when not, made the result calculations pretty easy).

 

[Casino12345]

Well, I have that information in my table, I will just show you how the table looks like:

You can assume when I won the gamble and when I lost the gamble because I always gambled till 24. Just to explain what "1" means at "12 spins". If there is a 1 it means I could have taken 12 spins, if there is a 0 it means I lost at the first gamble, and so on ...

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(Trigger Win = How much you get on the triggering win, I just wanted to know how often it happens and if the wins have a big impact on the overall RTP. Spin Trigger = 0 means normal trigger, 1 means = 8 +4, 2 means = 8 + 4 + 4, this was needed to know when I had gambled and when not, made the result calculations pretty easy).

Nice and shocking overview, thanks!

 

[sledge13]

SHOCKING FROM BTG

 

[SpinUk]

SHOCKING FROM BTG

An almost 50% trtp over 200 features or am I missing something?

 

[trancemonkey]

Well, I have that information in my table, I will just show you how the table looks like:

You can assume when I won the gamble and when I lost the gamble because I always gambled till 24. Just to explain what "1" means at "12 spins". If there is a 1 it means I could have taken 12 spins, if there is a 0 it means I lost at the first gamble, and so on ...

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(Trigger Win = How much you get on the triggering win, I just wanted to know how often it happens and if the wins have a big impact on the overall RTP. Spin Trigger = 0 means normal trigger, 1 means = 8 +4, 2 means = 8 + 4 + 4, this was needed to know when I had gambled and when not, made the result calculations pretty easy).

Looks to me like the gamble is fair - albeit from a small sample size.

 

[Aryol]

Looks to me like the gamble is fair - albeit from a small sample size.

The Odds to reach the 24-Spins are matching. And you are right the sample size is quite low, after a few days/weeks break I maybe will add another 200 feature buys to the list.

I started to dream about this game: reel 2-5 are filled with chilis on 117k megaways and the first reel is filled with "K" every time I wake up I am happy that this was just a dream.

 

[Jono777]

SHOCKING FROM BTG

TYPICAL and expected nothing less!

 

[trancemonkey]

An almost 50% trtp over 200 features or am I missing something?

198 features (the bottom is cut off) at 10 stake = 1980 cash in
the total amount lost is 467.64

so the RTP is 76.38%

given that he is playing it in the most volatile way possible and only 200 features, it's not surprising the RTP is nowhere near target

 

[trancemonkey]

TYPICAL and expected nothing less!

I don't think it's shocking at all - i think it's exactly in line with what i would expect with that method of play.
What would you have expected?

 

[Jasminebed]

I don't think the return is shocking. If you think of it as 200 bets, which it essentially is, and you only got 54% return, would you feel that "shocking" for a single session? If someone else came in and started yelling RIGGED, and on a high variance game, well, most of us would say bad session for sure.

One of the requirements for a Swedish licence is to be able to exclude yourself from one or more games. Games like this can really put someone on tilt. Even before the withdrawal from Canada, I had put the feature buy on my "don't play" list. People talk about having a 1000x win... well, it is really just a 20x win (it is 50x betsize for feature buy?). I did usually gamble 8x, and would play for a bit and see if I hit a feature or not. Now if I won 200 on a 20 cent bet I'd be chuffed. But to win $200 on a $10 bet? meh. I mean, I'll take it, maybe kinda disappointed, especially if it left me still down.

I played the feature guarantee a lot in fun mode when I was bored.

I'd rather play $10 bets on Bonanza if I had $1000 balance.

 

[Jono777]

I don't think it's shocking at all - i think it's exactly in line with what i would expect with that method of play.
What would you have expected?

I'll be totally honest here and admit that I didn't even read the post in full, nor the data properly, Just sour grapes as its one slot I rarely win on despite "heavy" play

 

[Jasminebed]

198 features (the bottom is cut off) at 10 stake = 1980 cash in
the total amount lost is 467.64

so the RTP is 76.38%

given that he is playing it in the most volatile way possible and only 200 features, it's not surprising the RTP is nowhere near target

Well, you are better at math than I am, and you said it in a much more succinct manner trancemonkey

That's what I think. I typed my response above while you made yours

 

[trancemonkey]

I'll be totally honest here and admit that I didn't even read the post in full, nor the data properly, Just sour grapes as its one slot I rarely win on despite "heavy" play

We all do that mate - me included!

 

[trancemonkey]

I don't think the return is shocking. If you think of it as 200 bets, which it essentially is, and you only got 54% return, would you feel that "shocking" for a single session? If someone else came in and started yelling RIGGED, and on a high variance game, well, most of us would say bad session for sure.

One of the requirements for a Swedish licence is to be able to exclude yourself from one or more games. Games like this can really put someone on tilt. Even before the withdrawal from Canada, I had put the feature buy on my "don't play" list. People talk about having a 1000x win... well, it is really just a 20x win (it is 50x betsize for feature buy?). I did usually gamble 8x, and would play for a bit and see if I hit a feature or not. Now if I won 200 on a 20 cent bet I'd be chuffed. But to win $200 on a $10 bet? meh. I mean, I'll take it, maybe kinda disappointed, especially if it left me still down.

I played the feature guarantee a lot in fun mode when I was bored.

I'd rather play $10 bets on Bonanza if I had $1000 balance.

As an aside, something you said there made me think; i'd quite like GamStop to be able to work on a casino level - i.e i could exclude from all casinos except some of my choosing. So you could whitelist casinos (rather than blacklist). Once selected, you are stuck with that for the length of time you choose.
I know for me, i would happily stick to one casino (and one set of limits) knowing that i can't then go somewhere else at any time and open another account!

 

[Jasminebed]

Someone that wanted that self excluded from all their existing casinos except the two or three they did want. Then they went and signed up at a bunch more and immediately self excluded.

Now, there is always a new casino popping up. But unless you are looking at bitcoin or costa rica, couldn't you head to the bookies and play FOBT (sp?) or take a cruise to play some Fruities?

I used to play at many more casinos that I do currently. I haven't even set deposit limits at all of them. I had forgotten I set one at 32Red, it was pretty high, lol.

I do use mine at Videoslots though, they get most of my action.

And it is compulsory to put some in upon registration at PlayOLG.

 

[mack341]

@Aryol I am terrible with charts and maths, so could you say whether at any point during the 200 features you were ever up on the game?

Also how about repeating the test, starting with a 1000 demo balance, and just taking the 8 spin bonus each time and then comparing the overall rtp/profit/loss?

 

[Aryol]

@Aryol I am terrible with charts and maths, so could you say whether at any point during the 200 features you were ever up on the game?

Also how about repeating the test, starting with a 1000 demo balance, and just taking the 8 spin bonus each time and then comparing the overall rtp/profit/loss?

The last row shows you that, I never was up (maybe this will change when I expand the list).

When I have more data for the best strategy I can start a new table for always taking without gamble. This will took much more time since I have to watch at least 8 spins.

Before the first table has not enough data there is no reason to start the second one because when the sample size is low you can barely compare the results.

 

[Nicola]

Having played this a lot in recent weeks, I do believe the first wheel gamble is 50/50. Getting 5-7 wheel wins in a row is common, as is 5-7 losses in a row. My record is 11 first spin loses in a row and even at my lowish stakes of £20 a buy it was painful!

Everytime I got a +4 scatter, the gamble always lost on the first spin.

 

[mack341]

The last row shoews you that, I never was up (maybe this will change when I expand the list).

When I have more data for the best strategy I can start a new table for always taking without gamble. This will took much more time since I have to watch at least 8 spins.

Before the first table has not enough data there is no reason to start the second one because when the sample size is low you can barely compare the results.

Thanks @Aryol that was really dumb of me, I just have a bit of a blank with spreadsheets . That's another interesting point, the 200 features will give a guaranteed 1600 spins to sit through, In comparison I wonder how many absolute spins you had above using the optimum gamble strategy, is there a quick way of calculating that

 

[Aryol]

Thanks @Aryol that was really dumb of me, I just have a bit of a blank with spreadsheets . That's another interesting point, the 200 features will give a guaranteed 1600 spins to sit through, In comparison I wonder how many absolute spins you had above using the optimum gamble strategy, is there a quick way of calculating that

With the table it is easy, we had 21 times the 24 spins, we could have taken 37 times 20 spins, 65 times 16 spins. Everything below is not important as they resulted in 0 spins. The gamble lose when we do not take 20 spins would be 12 spins and when we do not take 16 spins it would be 8 spins.

Now the calculation:

21 x 24 Spins = 504 Spins
(37-21) x 12 Spins = 192 Spins
(65-37) x 8 Spins = 224 Spins
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Total Spins = 920 Spins