New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[snorky510238]

Ok well I've played it & can confirm it's bullshit. There is no possible way that this gamble is truly 50/50 i would say its biased & pretty much like lots of online so called random games results i think your find all of these games are compensated & predetermined. Yer it may upset loads of you but it's pretty much fact that we are not getting a fair game.

Online has now become so bad I have now decided to quit playing altogether & just left two accounts open. So bye bye online)

Yeah people can defend it all they want.I used to play FOBTS and there is no doubt they are total bs and even though my online career is relatively short you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise exactly the same principles apply.

 

[slotter999]

@snorky510238 Now that you've discovered it's all predetermined and BS - will you stop playing or will you continue?

 

[snorky510238]

@snorky510238 Now that you've discovered it's all predetermined and BS - will you stop playing or will you continue?

I am pretty much at the stage I got to when I knocked FOBTS on the head.Recently I have only been low rolling anyway.10 or 20p stakes but can't get much enjoyment out of that.I play poker at a b+m casino but have given up playing slots there too as the % payout is much lower.As I have mentioned in the past if your going to play slots I think the best return is online probably because they have to counteract the fact you don't get paid immediately in cash and other things you don't get playing live.However the similarities to FOBTS is making me think twice about investing to much time and money right now.

 

[theapple]

Its a good slot that i will be playing very often.

I will buy many features and gamble them all away. I even lost only 5 out of 7 features but those 2 were well worth the wait.

First was 16 spins and 2nd i took someones advice and played 8 spins because thats the way to go.

16 spins



and 8 spins, which wasnt all that bad



i will continue buying features for days and months to come. Definitely one for my regular slots list. Good slot btg. i like it.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Took the last couple days to buy 100 features and record the outcome just to see the results









22/100 features gambled with success. Which is a 22% success rate.
All gambles were one spin each
Largest amount of spins is 16
Largest win 147x
smallest win 0.43x

My conclusion after 100 feature buys is I was running very poorly. I feel if I did another 100 buy my results would at least be a bit better.

Will do 12+ gambles and see the results. May take me a few weeks.

 

[mcgameboy]

Jesus those are absolutely horrific results Billy. Utterly deplorable. Disgustingly vomit-inducing.

I've only spent (and obviously lost! ) £60 on this slot. And I didn't even consider gambling any of the very few features I got. I'm feeling extremely and happily comfortable with the idea of quitting this game for good while behind.

Usually, I'm all for the idea of overlooking a bad first impression and giving a game another chance to win me over. Not this one. This game is vileness personified.

 

[shadow123]

To put it into perspective what level were you attempting to gamble the spins to?
I had a run of 8 losses just gambling to 12 spins,which is a 256 to 1 chance,
bad considering I have not bought many features.very wary of this slot now

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Jesus those are absolutely horrific results Billy. Utterly deplorable. Disgustingly vomit-inducing.

I've only spent (and obviously lost! ) £60 on this slot. And I didn't even consider gambling any of the very few features I got. I'm feeling extremely and happily comfortable with the idea of quitting this game for good while behind.

Usually, I'm all for the idea of overlooking a bad first impression and giving a game another chance to win me over. Not this one. This game is vileness personified.

Yeah thank god it was on the lowest stake possible

All gambles were just one spin of the wheel. Just curious to see my success rate per each upgrade @shadow123

Like I said it will probably take awhile to compile that data and am just doing it for fun. A bit expensive even at those stakes but I got a really good win on break da bank again so its ok to mess around with some

 

[Lincolnuk]

Buy features, Dont Buy features..... The slots just a bit of junk. After Bonanza this is just a massive step backwards.

 

[Tengil]

So the gamble feature is rigged. Or are pie gambles allowed to misrepresent that much?

 

[shadow123]

No way should have given that many losing runs on a 50/50.

 

[lockinlove]

Reading everyones comments in here about their success rate on the gamble I have a very very hard time believing it is anywhere near 50/50

Id like to see another 100 done at that level instead of upgrading. Get a bit of a sample size in case it was just a bad run. But again I dont think it is considering everyone elses posts in here about it. My result was pretty bad too from the gamble feature.

 

[TheAddict]

Remember billy. When the fun stops, stop.
Good luck with the next part of your mission as surely there's no doubt you're obviously having a crackin good time for your buck, after looking at those stats.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Remember billy. When the fun stops, stop.
Good luck with the next part of your mission as surely there's no doubt you're obviously having a crackin good time for your buck, after looking at those stats.

Yeah for sure. Will try it and see how it goes and if its going shit after a few id probably just end up tossing it. I have nothing to prove, Ive just seen alot of comments saying that its not 50/50 and 60/40 so figured ive give it a go and see what it looked like

 

[theapple]

so far in real play im 4/17 from 8 to 12 and it will probably remain that way because i dont plan on playing it ever again. on the other hand im yet to fail a 12 to 16 upgrade though. 4 attempts all 4 were good. 3 times from 8 - 12 - 16 and once from 12 - 16. Small sample i know but 8 to 12 definitely doesnt feel like 50 - 50. I dont think ive seen anyone with 5 wins in a row while 5 losses in a row is pretty common it seems?

also tried it on day one in play mode on LV and i dont think ive failed 12 to 16 there either. Bought quite a few features, tried some 8 - 12 - 16 - 20 and it really feels like 8 spins features are not worth trying at all so i can see why btg made 8 to 12 gamble the way it is.

its all irrelevant for me anyways just posting it so other people who havent tried it yet can get a feeling of what it plays like and how dangerous it is to play this thing.

And one last thing, compared to bonanza getting feature really doesnt feel any easier because base game of this one was much worse to me than bonanza is on its bad day plus getting 8 spins feature means nothing, so theres that.
It might take less spins to get it, but in the end you are going to loose just as much, if not more, and for what its worth you might not end up with a feature at all. Either that or you will have to play your 8 spins and hope for at least 50x from it, which from my experience doesnt happen all that often at all.

tldr: crap slot with dubious design decisions made to tilt you into buying more features. wont be playing it ever again.
all thats missing is a 40000x win that btg had to recreate themselves because player forgot to take a screenie :=o

 

[lockinlove]

I wouldnt dump more money into if you want to mess around with how often you win the gamble. Cant you just buy the feature in play money? Never tried fake money so I dont know. But since you havent lost a mountain load on min bets I would stop now and just do it for fun if you want to post the outcomes. Try 100 in fun mode and see what it does imo

 

[aceking123]

I wouldnt dump more money into if you want to mess around with how often you win the gamble. Cant you just buy the feature in play money? Never tried fake money so I dont know. But since you havent lost a mountain load on min bets I would stop now and just do it for fun if you want to post the outcomes. Try 100 in fun mode and see what it does imo

Ive tried this prior to playing it in real money , yes you guessed its gimped , the fun play was great betting it upto 24 spins fairly often never went more than 3 gambles of losses , tried this in real money , i dont have say much more. its just not right.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Interesting.. My blue wheel was the opposite of yours, losing probably 75/100 whereas green was OK.. Definitely need bigger samples.

 

[KasinoKing]

So the gamble feature is rigged. Or are pie gambles allowed to misrepresent that much?

On most "pie gambles" as you put it, the wheel does NOT represent the true odds off any chosen outcome occurring.

But on this particular game, I would have never have expected the wheel to be weighted, when the software can predetermine what you win regardless of the number of free-spins anyway, so I find Billy's results truly shocking!

KK

 

[brianmon]

On most "pie gambles" as you put it, the wheel does NOT represent the true odds off any chosen outcome occurring.

But on this particular game, I would have never have expected the wheel to be weighted, when the software can predetermine what you win regardless of the number of free-spins anyway, so I find Billy's results truly shocking!

KK

According to @trancemonkey. the odds have to be representative of what's shown.

According to just about every jurisdiction, any gamble must be true odds. If you show something as a 50/50 gamble then it MUST be a 50/50 gamble unless otherwise stated in the rules. I'm fact some don't even allow it to NOT be true odds...

Obviously things like Rizk's wheel doesn't have to be. But that's not a gamble situation, within a licensed game

 

[KasinoKing]

According to @trancemonkey. the odds have to be representative of what's shown.

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

My guess is he's referring to the traditional Black/Red gambles.
Obviously the wheel doesn't need to be accurate otherwise we'd all have won the Mega Moolah jackpot 100 times over by now.

However I think if the wheels in this game are weighted differently than displayed that is indeed unethical, if not illegal.

 

[Big Time Gaming]

We would like to confirm that the make up of the wheel does indeed reflect the true value RTP.
This would be a compliance issue (if we were not to display this) in Canada where we license games to the British Columbian Lottery and Lotto Quebec.

Another compliance ruling in Extra Chilli is The Danish Gambling Authority along with other jurisdictional authorities, stipulated that we state the best strategy in the help, which in this case is to Gamble with the wheel. However, you need to remember that the difference is as small increase in RTP and if you collect 8 consistently the RTP is 96.15% it's just less volatile. Whether you lose or win on the wheel the RTP remains the same, long term.

The Wheel

The first spin is 50/50 and all proceeding gambles are 60/40 odds on.
However on subsequent gambles the odds diminish to roughly a 1 in 10 chance of getting to 24 from 8.

0.5 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 = 0.108 or 1 in 10

With a natural scatter +4 it's 1 in 5 etc...
You can work out the others by adding/removing the wheel progressions.

The principle of the gamble is for players to push up the games volatility or not. A great deal of criticism in the Bonanza thread, was more often than not to do with the free spin frequency, where individuals stated they would like to see the feature more and wouldn't mind if it paid less (I'll have a look for the exact quote later). We have delivered the latter but we have also offered players something new, an option to raise the stakes and play a higher volatility bonus game or not.

With Extra Chilli you have a great deal more options and comparing it to Bonanza is a little bit like comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing Rainbow Riches to Dead or Alive because that are both 3x5.

Just for the sake of argument, this morning, I donned my tin foil hat, flipped a coin ten times over 20 sessions to see how many it took to get a result of 5 heads/5 tails... after 20 groups of 10 I gave up trying realising that the coin was indeed rigged!

My last 4 results...

17) 1121211111 - 80% Heads
18) 1121212222 - 60% Heads (closest)
19) 1222222222 - 10% Heads
20) 1111211122 - 70% Heads - gave up!

However if you look at the bold section between 19 and 20 - I achieved 50/50 - just not during my set sessions.

As always, happy to answer any other questions.

Big Time Gaming official

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Thanks for the clarification - excellent player support. And as noted obviously we need larger samples however I can't imagine it's rigged now that you've flat-out denied it- just that I and some others have had some phenomenally unlucky runs.

 

[trancemonkey]

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

It's with regards to gambles - a gamble MUST run at 100% and the odds shown must be true. That is not true for wheels/features that are not a gamble of winnings...

The BTG gamble is technically a gamble of winnings... so as they stated it must be a true odds gamble and run at 100%.

Some jurisdictions do allow deviation from that BUT it would have to be stated in the rules.