Evolution Online Roulette ...how fair is it?

[paora]

Ever played anything on Evolution Roulette which theoretically wins as many sessions as it loses and yet when you play it here in every session it only ever loses? Have played numerous sessions of the same number of spins playing the same thing everytime and the results are not impressive. Not for me anyway.

 

[Reelsoffun]

How many spins and what bets are you referring to though, roulette can be very volatile depending on your betting.

 

[paora]

Just something simple with any of the outside bets. I tested with a few (10) sessions on different days following black and even for 100 spins and lost every session. In my last session (probably same in previous sessions) the 10 black even numbers were doing worse than the 8 odd black and the 8 even red numbers and a lot worse than the 10 odd red numbers.

 

[Reelsoffun]

To be honest that doesn't surprise me that you cant win or finding it very hard to, it don’t seem a good stratagie, and in any case it’s no where near enough spins to come to any conclusions on if it’s being fair or not.

Sounds more like your trying one of the zillions of crappy betting strategy posted online, but betting black and even, is 1 in 4 ish chance of a total lose, 1 in 4 ish chance of winning both, and 50/50 ish chance of breaking even on the spin, so it’s really no surprise that your not winning.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Was curious so had a look, As you can see on this 500 spins of data Black and Even bets are both under performing but that's just a snapshot the next 500 could either do the same or go completely opposite..........that's a 50/50 random bet for you.

 

[slot_zombie]

Calling @DonkeyEvo .....

 

[Reelsoffun]

Different day, as you can see totally different so cant tell what's gonna happen.

Its not by accident that casinos give you stats, they like you chasing hot/cold stuff because it often statistically can stay like that way longer than your bankroll...... And has no effect on future results blah blah......

It can take 100's or thousands of spins to "level" out over time and no one is gonna sit and play thousands of spins in one continuous session.

As you can see below from this 500, apart from red, black, Odd, Even and 17,20 neighbours its all pretty average...... But maybe we should all start betting heavy on Black-Odd

 

[paora]

To be honest that doesn't surprise me that you cant win or finding it very hard to, it don’t seem a good stratagie, and in any case it’s no where near enough spins to come to any conclusions on if it’s being fair or not.

Sounds more like your trying one of the zillions of crappy betting strategy posted online, but betting black and even, is 1 in 4 ish chance of a total lose, 1 in 4 ish chance of winning both, and 50/50 ish chance of breaking even on the spin, so it’s really no surprise that your not winning.

Wow, are you talking as a player or a casino owner. Yes, ten sessions of a 100 spins is a small sample but to lose ALL ten sessions BADLY is enough to wonder about the honesty of Evolutions games. These ten sessions are also typical of what I experience with whatever strategy I play. How many sessions of how may spins do you want me to play and lose to demonstrate my point? lol Unfortunately I have to lose money in my testing because my strategies don't lose so often when I just watch them.

 

[paora]

I have many strategies which typically have highs and lows. The moment I start playing any of them at a low point expecting them to recover like they almost always do when just watching any table they start losing more often than they win ..... in fact they almost stop winning any spins at all.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I’m talking as a player, but you have to understand coming on here saying you losing 10/10 sessions don’t mean anything without context, saying they almost stop winning any spins at all is also subjective as it really does depend on what type of betting your doing surely? As you see from the pics I posted the game can be very volatile even on what people consider to be low volatility bets eg the even chance bets. Have you compared doing the same 100 spins and bets in a land based casino? Maybe your bet selection is terrible? Maybe evolution is rigged? But I know people that have and do win. I guess we can’t know for sure, I have PMed you for some more info about your sessions, do you keep record of the number sequences and which wheels you’re playing on? As I think the key Part of what your saying is “ The moment I start playing any of them at a low point expecting them to recover “ that part does sound like your basing your play on past events?

 

[spurs1882]

The ball behaviour seems very unnatural to me on some of their roulette wheels, and I'm not talking about the RNG wheels.

 

[paora]

The ball behaviour seems very unnatural to me on some of their roulette wheels, and I'm not talking about the RNG wheels.

They're all RNG wheels. The dealers are fake. I've seen the same dealer on more than one table at the same time. How is that possible?

 

[paora]

I’m talking as a player, but you have to understand coming on here saying you losing 10/10 sessions don’t mean anything without context, saying they almost stop winning any spins at all is also subjective as it really does depend on what type of betting your doing surely? As you see from the pics I posted the game can be very volatile even on what people consider to be low volatility bets eg the even chance bets. Have you compared doing the same 100 spins and bets in a land based casino? Maybe your bet selection is terrible? Maybe evolution is rigged? But I know people that have and do win. I guess we can’t know for sure, I have PMed you for some more info about your sessions, do you keep record of the number sequences and which wheels you’re playing on? As I think the key Part of what your saying is “ The moment I start playing any of them at a low point expecting them to recover “ that part does sound like your basing your play on past events?

Yes, I do have some expectation of winning based on what has happened in the past - not all the time but at least a reasonable percentage of the time. However my ten sessions were based on nothing before them. I just wanted to play something which had an almost 50/50 chance of winning or losing not expecting it to be a 100% losing strategy. I'm telling you that my losing sessions are happening ALL the time and not just occasionally. Another thing I have noticed is that if I increase and decrease my bets at some stage the losing runs get longer and the winning spins get less frequent. It happens and I'm not making it up. The funny thing is that I'm a hobby player and my losses are quite small because I don't play large stakes. It's just hilarious that the game is so determined to play unfairly to win my measly amount of money.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I'm not saying your making it up, i believe you, but.....

So even you are finding it hard believe that they would bother to target you for a measly amount of money, so couldn't it just be a run of bad luck?

I mean you not actually posted anything that can back up your claims of losing every time? Why not post the numbers that came out vs the bets you were doing? Are you using things like martingale? you really are not giving us much to go on to prove its all rigged.

Don't get me wrong I have also at times felt its rigged to buggery, very easy to think that when you hit a sequence of numbers from hell, and i would expect on 50/50 bets your going to get those often.

Remember 50/50 bets are not fair, you would need to win 50% of them just to break even and due to the 0 they often don't hit over 50% on 100 spins and when they do and your on the correct one your still going to only make a tiny amount compared to your outlay.

The other day 100 spins
48 Red
49 Black
3 Zero

So betting on red or black for the whole 100 would have still been a loss!

Same day another 100 spins
52 Red
44 Black
4 Zero

Betting red 100 spins would have resulted in a profit but only 4 units ?

Just trying to help you see other possibilities that it might not be rigged.

 

[paora]

Any results (spins) I posted would be as believable to you as my just saying what the outcome from them has been for me. BTW, I'm not talking minor losses of only 3 or 4 units for any of my tens sessions but more like 20 or more unit losses after 100 spins on a couple of even bet options - EVERYTIME. Maybe a strategy like the one I used attracts more attention because it is easier for them to control than betting from someone who places random bets. However for my testing I needed to play something which was nonrandom.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Well if your betting two even chance bets at the same time IMO you are going to struggle on each spin you would have a 75% chance of losing or a breaking even? And only a 25% ish chance of actually winning? Have i understood that right?

 

[paora]

I will win double on some spins, break even on some and lose twice on some. Is that making my chances of winning any better or worse than just taking a single evens bet? I don't believe so. Theoretically - 25% win double 50% break even and 25% lose double - result excluding zeros - 000000. I did contemplate taking low and even and black at the same time. My god, what would think about that? lol My strategy for the ten sessions wasn't about actually making a profit - it was to see how much and how often I would lose by.

 

[paora]

Here's a question for you. Follow the even bets or play opposite to them from the previous spin? Working on my next strategy even though I swore never to play again. My testing spins arfe favouring taking the opposite but I wouldn't be surprised to find the opposite with another set of spins. This set is favouring the opposite etremely heavily though. However it would be another of my strategies which wins one minute and loses the next until I play it with Evolution Roulette when it would only ever lose every minute and hour and day which has been my usual experience. Having a memory recall, I actually did play the opposite of all the evens bets at some time .....ended up playing against an extraordinary run of low even red numbers (there's only 4 of those) which was beyond ridiculous! These exceptional runs always have a tendency to start (against me) not long after I start playing.

 

[Avernite]

Ultimately Evolution is so heavily regulated it wouldn't make sense for them to rig it. This is after I had a really rough run of blackjack this evening too, so I get how it feels, but the math is designed to make them obscene money as is. Especially with how some of us play during a bad tilt.

Maybe take a bit of a break, and come back to win another day.

 

[paora]

Taking breaks doesn't make any difference to my results.

 

[paora]

Ultimately Evolution is so heavily regulated it wouldn't make sense for them to rig it.

Yeah right. You might believe that. lol They already deceive people into believing they are offering live games, why not more deceit? What sort of 'regulators' allow that sort of thing?

 

[paora]

I used my country's lotto results to see how balanced the numbers were. After 500 drawn numbers 24 nonrandom sets of 20 numbers had hit between 48-52%. Something you can only dream of Evolution Roulette doing with any consistency. I remember one partiular session when Evolution Roulette 'honestly' had black at 33% and red at 66% after 800 spins. I was playing something which involved betting on black numbers of course.
Oops, I lied. It was actually the 500 spins which Evolution Roulette shows in their results display which was at 33-66 and it wasn't quite that bad when I started betting. 500 spins or 800 spins 33-66 is ridiculously unbalanced.

 

[paora]

Especially with how some of us play during a bad tilt.

I flat bet mainly relying on percentages to make gains although it doesn't help me the way that it should. I will make small bet increases at times and that seems to be a trigger for me to lose even more against Evolution Roulette. A simple explanation of one of my betting methods and not exact. If red gets behind black by 20% I start betting red, if red falls behind by 25% I double my bet, if it reaches 30% I make another increase to three times the original then I play that way (3 times orignal bet) until the difference drops back to 15% behind. Usually IN PRACTISE the difference drops further than below 15% but I don't want to be greedy should I be given the chance to be. Looks good theoretically and certainly works in any sets of spins I have tested it in. Doesn't work so well when I actually play it though, with money! Doesn't help when a COLD zero starts hitting 10% of the time. It's a failsafe method .....no not for me, for the casino .... but it shouldn't be. It could be the time to let a companion know that taking zero might be profitable. I do believe the way people are betting can trigger the RNG into making zero appear more often.

 

[Avernite]

Taking breaks doesn't make any difference to my results.

Your results are a drop in the ocean compared to the bets they receive each day. For every bet you lose, someone else wins.

If the game is so rigged, why are you even playing it?

 

[paora]

Your results are a drop in the ocean compared to the bets they receive each day. For every bet you lose, someone else wins.

If the game is so rigged, why are you even playing it?

A bit of a hobby. I'm the worst kind of gambler for Evolution. I won't accept the cheating like the fools who are happy to put up with it. I'm just the fool who knows it happens but still plays it. In some ways it amuses me.