Gossip and Rumours Evolution Gaming Rigged 😐

Information of a highly dubious nature, possibly outright BS.
One time I was playing it and I noticed it kept landing on a few parts I wasnt betting and thought it was strange. So I bet $1 on 35 numbers to see if something weird was going on. It landed on the one number I didnt bet.

Im not kidding and I havent played them since and that was some years ago.
 
That is happening to me all the time..
The more i cover the more it will catch me on the weakest part I didn’t bet.

Some say just bad luck. I don’t call it bad luck anymore as I have lost too
Much money on it and spend so
Many sessions that I notice this behavior of the roulette is not natural and sometimes the manipulation goes wrong and that u see in some videos players recording it..
It’s like a illusion or a magic trick that works 99,99% of the time only evolution knows it..

Let me tell u another thing when I join table the girls start to cough and that I know it doesn’t matter anymore where I bet she gave the pitbosss already a sign everytime when I cover many numbers …
 
So, has any proof been sent to @neilw as of yet? I see the OP @DonkeyEvo hasn't been seen in the forum since the early hours of Sunday morning......
Nope, nothing, nada.

I'm disappointed, as I thought we'd be given some insight into how the games have been constructed.

It's given me an idea, so I am doing some research myself. Watch this space.
 
Ok so I have a question on this and I will confess I sit strongly on the side that these games are rigged to hell and back… having played and lost loads in the past ( and had one HUGE hit also )

And in my mind the frequency they go on cold spells and miss the 1 in 7 odds to hit a premium position on the wheel and go for 70/80/90 spins with nothing is just way to frequent …

Anyways the question is….

If it was controlled via motor for instance… to control RTP
Would that actually be allowed….

What law would it be breaking….
 
If it's controlled in order to maintain near as possible to a desired rtp then it's essentially compensated and so there should be info somewhere on the game detailing it is either compensated or not random.
 
Ok so I have a question on this and I will confess I sit strongly on the side that these games are rigged to hell and back… having played and lost loads in the past ( and had one HUGE hit also )

And in my mind the frequency they go on cold spells and miss the 1 in 7 odds to hit a premium position on the wheel and go for 70/80/90 spins with nothing is just way to frequent …

Anyways the question is….

If it was controlled via motor for instance… to control RTP
Would that actually be allowed….

What law would it be breaking….

When Playtech first released Spin A Win, the wheel, although physical, was controlled by RNG. They quickly scrapped it, and went for a manual wheel, letting gravity and the flapper control the outcome.

The wheels being used by Evo, Playtech, Pragmatic etc are made by TCS John Huxley and are all manual wheels. I've seen behind them, and there is nothing there, no motors, wires or anything that could control the spin.
 
Ok so I have a question on this and I will confess I sit strongly on the side that these games are rigged to hell and back… having played and lost loads in the past ( and had one HUGE hit also )

And in my mind the frequency they go on cold spells and miss the 1 in 7 odds to hit a premium position on the wheel and go for 70/80/90 spins with nothing is just way to frequent …

Anyways the question is….

If it was controlled via motor for instance… to control RTP
Would that actually be allowed….

What law would it be breaking….
Shades of grey here. If the result was chosen by a legitimate RNG, and they used a mechanical wheel to show that number, then that would be allowed (as the result is still random).

If they were actively choosing the number they want the result to be, because it is advantageous to them. then they would be breaking the terms of their gambling license and, probably, it would also constitute fraud.

As always in these situations, the reason it isn't rigged is because it doesn't have to be. The theoretical RTP of the game is already mathematically and statistically below 100%, so there is no reason to 'control' it. The game is designed for that to happen naturally.
If it's controlled in order to maintain near as possible to a desired rtp then it's essentially compensated and so there should be info somewhere on the game detailing it is either compensated or not random.
Online games are not allowed to be compensated.
 
Didn't know the law had changed on compensated online games. (Though I'm assuming it was legal at the time people were taking advantage of badly made Compensated online games.)
 
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Didn't know the law had changed on compensated online games. (Though I'm assuming it was legal at the time people were taking advantage of badly made Compensated online games.)
It's been a while but I think it's been a standard for as long as there has been regulation (at least in the UK). Of course, there was a time when there wasn't regulation and I'm no lawyer to say whether such a thing would or wouldn't have been covered by any fraud laws :)
 
So throwing a few things back there to all that have just commented and whoever else wants to chip in...

1) so Playtech made a wheel that was controlled.... so its easy enough to do...

2) thats a naive outlook " why would they cheat the maths is made so they dont have too" Cmon, why are there so many rogue casinos out there.... maths says they dont have to be rogue.... GREED... same reason RTP is altered and why roulette balls magically bounce out after coming to a rest....

3) heres a Tin hat theory for you..... I have one on slots too thats similar.... but @neilw, you say you have seen behind a wheel....

whats to say its the wheel they use.... maybe thats the one they show the authorities.....

also would you agree that the wheel (assuming its not controlled) can be subject to a certain amount of control by the host.... who after being hired and practising as its not subject to any interference like in roulette with the diamonds, should be able to judge release speed and position = a certain areas... known to players as being in collect mode... as each wheel always has a dead area
 
So throwing a few things back there to all that have just commented and whoever else wants to chip in...

1) so Playtech made a wheel that was controlled.... so its easy enough to do...

2) thats a naive outlook " why would they cheat the maths is made so they dont have too" Cmon, why are there so many rogue casinos out there.... maths says they dont have to be rogue.... GREED... same reason RTP is altered and why roulette balls magically bounce out after coming to a rest....

3) heres a Tin hat theory for you..... I have one on slots too thats similar.... but @neilw, you say you have seen behind a wheel....

whats to say its the wheel they use.... maybe thats the one they show the authorities.....

also would you agree that the wheel (assuming its not controlled) can be subject to a certain amount of control by the host.... who after being hired and practising as its not subject to any interference like in roulette with the diamonds, should be able to judge release speed and position = a certain areas... known to players as being in collect mode... as each wheel always has a dead area
Just to chime in here real quick, it's hard to fathom how a conspiracy theory works in this industry (hidden knobs, reels tweaked, fake RTPs etc.), when there are SO MANY disgruntled ex employees who could easily blow a whistle. When and if that happens it's pretty rare. And now we have the OP who seems to not be able to provide any real evidence.
 
Just think about how many ex-employees of Playtech would love to take those folks down. :p
 
Just think about how many ex-employees of Playtech would love to take those folks down. :p
I AM an ex Playtech employee :D and I was dispatched under some pretty questionable circumstances.

Don't get me wrong, they do a lot of shady stuff (like most businesses). Minimizing tax, questionable acquisitions using company capital etc etc, but the point is, it's all LEGAL questionable stuff.

There was nothing I ever saw or built, or no conversation I ever had that pertained to rigging games. It just wasn't on the agenda. Quite the contrary, a LOT of money and effort is spent on adhering to the regulations.

'Greed' simply isn't a good enough reason for what is being suggested. There are plenty of other, legal, ways to be greedy in business that don't put your entire business at risk.
 
Hey Boss man, I feel honoured that you have taken the time to "chime in"

Thats a valid argument to a point, HOWEVER you could say that about the government, about the NHS about the energy companies, about Apple, Microsoft, Tiktok Insta EE barclays

The list is endless.....

I came on here back in 2015 when I was ABSOLUTELY 100% convinced there was an issue on coral..... I delved into it on here a little and then went rogue taking on Coral (to the Highest Level, which I already had a head start as my company had worked for them on a large Roll out for their shops so had some big names to start the ball rolling.....)

Not big enough though and although I did manage to spark an investigation internally and finally get offered £2K as a goodwill gesture (which I declined)

I then went to GC before they stopped taking phone calls and as it wasnt about an individual case they did start a case.....


BUT its a closed shop...... it went round in circles and Coral wouldnt answer the GCs Questions and so I went to the Testing House Nmi I think it was, and managed to speak to one of the directors there who was really candid with me and explained how the testing worked and what it did and didnt cover.... it transpired that the issue I was reporting was not even tested by the testing house AT ALL (progressive Jackpot) itwas onlt testing the RTP of the game itself and nothing to do with the PJP.....

I invested 100s of hours on this and the fact is its a Cloak and dagger industry thats so full of greed and I honestly think to believe its totally above board and as it should be is naive.....

the UKGC is so out of its depth its a joke, proved by things like removing autoplay (thanks for the RSI in my hand now) and the casinos know it and if they do get caught for something they just pay a fine, (way less than they netted from the breach and carry on)
 
didnt mean to hit send.....

But getting back to the point...... why are there sooooooooo many videos of these wheels going JUST past" when it looks like its landing all day long.... and how do they go on such long losing runs sooooooo often
 
so getting a bit techy now but hows about this for a theory...

If roulette balls were made of piezoeletric ceramic .The material used on the wheel was Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation. The ball could have polarized surface charges when hit by an ultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number. They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge. The spoon/ pocket of the number also negative; therefore the ball jumps out through electrostatic repulsion. Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT. This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged. The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or off. This is all managed by the sophisticated software and computers. So that why you can see situation when the ball either gets pushed out violently or sucked into the exact to a number.

That would explain the above and be fairly simple to achieve the desired results
 
so getting a bit techy now but hows about this for a theory...

If roulette balls were made of piezoeletric ceramic .The material used on the wheel was Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation. The ball could have polarized surface charges when hit by an ultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number. They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge. The spoon/ pocket of the number also negative; therefore the ball jumps out through electrostatic repulsion. Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT. This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged. The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or off. This is all managed by the sophisticated software and computers. So that why you can see situation when the ball either gets pushed out violently or sucked into the exact to a number.

That would explain the above and be fairly simple to achieve the desired results
Yeah thats exactly what i thought as well lol.
 
so getting a bit techy now but hows about this for a theory...

If roulette balls were made of piezoeletric ceramic .The material used on the wheel was Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation. The ball could have polarized surface charges when hit by an ultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number. They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge. The spoon/ pocket of the number also negative; therefore the ball jumps out through electrostatic repulsion. Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT. This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged. The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or off. This is all managed by the sophisticated software and computers. So that why you can see situation when the ball either gets pushed out violently or sucked into the exact to a number.

That would explain the above and be fairly simple to achieve the desired results
Good evening Sasukdcf,
Obviously you are the head shed at Evo games, thanks for the intel 🥂😉
 
I AM an ex Playtech employee :D and I was dispatched under some pretty questionable circumstances.

Don't get me wrong, they do a lot of shady stuff (like most businesses). Minimizing tax, questionable acquisitions using company capital etc etc, but the point is, it's all LEGAL questionable stuff.

There was nothing I ever saw or built, or no conversation I ever had that pertained to rigging games. It just wasn't on the agenda. Quite the contrary, a LOT of money and effort is spent on adhering to the regulations.

'Greed' simply isn't a good enough reason for what is being suggested. There are plenty of other, legal, ways to be greedy in business that don't put your entire business at risk.


I would expect that it depends how high up the food chain you are as to what intel you are fed, and obviously anything thats "suspect" is going to be for limited eyes and ears, But that said..... how does it put their business at risk when those that regulate it are morons.

The latest issue I have had with Jackpot Joy (Difeferent thread) who trade as being whiter than white and yet have blatently lied to me " without any doubt or Grey area just a bold lie " and yet despite trying and having all the chats and emails and the like, and refusing their "goodwill gesture" out of principle for the hundreds/ thousands of players involved in the issue.... Im now at Deadlock letter stage with them and cant get anywhere with GC or Ecogra that I can see it though to a conclusion because NO ONE CARES even though JPJ would have made thousands and thousands of pounds of extra money from a game that was on their site for 48 hours and was broken!! and despite telling them the previous day they kept it on for another 24 hours with everyone having the same issue....

and if you watched any of the links I posted with BLATENT ball irregularities.... no one does anything about them....

explain them??
 
I would expect that it depends how high up the food chain you are as to what intel you are fed, and obviously anything thats "suspect" is going to be for limited eyes and ears, But that said..... how does it put their business at risk when those that regulate it are morons.

The latest issue I have had with Jackpot Joy (Difeferent thread) who trade as being whiter than white and yet have blatently lied to me " without any doubt or Grey area just a bold lie " and yet despite trying and having all the chats and emails and the like, and refusing their "goodwill gesture" out of principle for the hundreds/ thousands of players involved in the issue.... Im now at Deadlock letter stage with them and cant get anywhere with GC or Ecogra that I can see it though to a conclusion because NO ONE CARES even though JPJ would have made thousands and thousands of pounds of extra money from a game that was on their site for 48 hours and was broken!! and despite telling them the previous day they kept it on for another 24 hours with everyone having the same issue....

and if you watched any of the links I posted with BLATENT ball irregularities.... no one does anything about them....

explain them??
Your not going to get any answers to it though, if any player that could provide details of games being bent, would open the flood gates to every user demanding back the used funds on games.

We've seen a few games being pulled for errors, not always in the favour of the casinos, though the so called providers & test houses didn't pick up the errors, players did pick up on it & would of abused it.

Regards live I'm with you on it, I know Neil has said he's been & checked out the wheel show games but I'm sure he would of been shown a different set up of the wheel, meaning I firmly believe that they may have 3 or 4 of the same studio set ups, there is no way those game shows are not set up to meet bang on RTP%. Glorified slot in disguise.

Not a true live event as which you believe in the case, far to many videos showing dynamics & gravity defined movements of the ball, I could I few videos a few years ago to where to ball sat in between 3 & 26 number pockets perfectly balanced & never fell into either pocket.
 

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