Everleaf Gaming to Leave US and France Markets

pokeraddict

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Everleaf Gaming, the 4th largest U.S. friendly poker network is bailing from the US market after they claim that one of their US processors was the subject of a seizure. It also appears that they will not take new French players. Everleaf skins include Poker4ever, Minted Poker and Luvin Poker. US players can still play but it is expected that will change in the next 24 hours.

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threescatters

Dormant account
PABnonaccred
The cease and desist letter sounds pretty strong. I hope there are some reasonable places left for US players to play.
 

threescatters

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PABnonaccred
I dont understand all the industry ins and outs, or if this is relevant but.....

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Note they have terminated an "Everleaf Gaming Ltd" from having a gaming licence - bad news for players with money on there?

I have no idea about the different types of licences or anything btw, just saw the link. They have another type of licence or something maybe?
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
That is definitely interesting - well spotted!

As pokeraddict indicates above, Everleaf has been in the news in a disappointing way just lately, and the network's communications have not been satisfactory so far on its troubles.

However, skins like Minted Poker and Luvin Poker have been putting out statements, which are presumably based on what they have been told by Everleaf.

None of those statements mention that the licence has been pulled.

This is the latest from a Luvin Poker communication with players:

A spokesperson for Luvin Poker sent players a lengthy and marketing-laden email explaining in summary:

* The Department of Justice has not seized its funds

* The decision by Everleaf to exit the US market was not the result of any action by the US Department of Justice

* All US player monies are safe at Everleaf, which will be turning these funds in to the Lotteries and Gaming Authority in Malta to be distributed to the players.

* Services to non-US players remain undisturbed.

* Luvin Poker has not given up on US players and is seeking a way to offer play-money games and tournaments.

* Again as far as Luvin Poker is concerned: "Real money for U.S. players will be returning in the future."

I personally believe that regulators should issue statements when they pull a licence, explaining why - that would help in protecting players where there are suspicious circumstances.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
Everleaf really needs to get on the ball with this situation and issue a statement, rather than leaving it up to its skins' second hand interpretation of what's happening imo.
 

Luckylizzy

Dormant account
I emailed support about this the other day and they could tell me next to nothing about it except they no longer accept US players.


Hello Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
As per the new Terms & Conditions introduced by ELG, residents in Malta, France and USA are not allowed to register an account, play or participate in the games and serviced offered by ELG.
For more details please visit our website: Integrity > Terms and Conditions
I am very sorry but I do not have any further information, if you have any questions, please contact the appropriate authority (all details can be found on the website under Terms and Conditions).

I am kind of bummed to see yet another US accepting poker network leave :( At least it's one that I just started promoting last month.
 

peteyweestro

Experienced Member
I also had tried to get an answer from their live help but all they will say is to read the T & C and all my answers would be found but the answer is not there. I tried to tell the idiot on live help that no where does it state how us Americans can get our money from them. I have money on like 4 or 5 of their skins and no way to get it, so once again Americans like me have to get screwed with no vaseline :mad:
 

vinylweatherman

You type well loads
CAG
MM
Found this dated 8th March on the LGA website:-


Sanctions against Everleaf Gaming Ltd
The LGA Enforcement Unit issued sanctions against Everleaf Gaming Ltd following an investigation which emerged with a number of irregularities in their operation. Everleaf Gaming is being monitored closely to ensure its operation respects Maltese law.
This seems more serious than a mutual agreement with the LGA to leave the US and French markets.

It also seems odd that they will turn over the money to the LGA for US players, rather than pay them directly.

Worse, US players can STILL play, even though there is currently no way to pay them, and no intention of finding another way to pay them until they turn over the funds to the LGA.

Surely LGA sanctions would affect ALL their operations, not just those in the US and France.
 

pokeraddict

Webmaster
Found this dated 8th March on the LGA website:-




This seems more serious than a mutual agreement with the LGA to leave the US and French markets.

It also seems odd that they will turn over the money to the LGA for US players, rather than pay them directly.

Worse, US players can STILL play, even though there is currently no way to pay them, and no intention of finding another way to pay them until they turn over the funds to the LGA.

Surely LGA sanctions would affect ALL their operations, not just those in the US and France.
As I understand, the only way to still be playing from the U.S. is if you have never logged out since they booted U.S. players. I think at this point, that would be impossible. There must have been an update or a network outage in a month. U.S. players can only get paid if they have a bank account outside of the U.S. to receive a wire. I have very serious concerns about Everleaf's ability to operate, much less pay U.S. players.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
I also had tried to get an answer from their live help but all they will say is to read the T & C and all my answers would be found but the answer is not there. I tried to tell the idiot on live help that no where does it state how us Americans can get our money from them. I have money on like 4 or 5 of their skins and no way to get it, so once again Americans like me have to get screwed with no vaseline :mad:
These Everleaf people - especially the management - are creating a negative perception with their apparent inability to communicate eiher timeolusly of informatively.

Referring people to T&Cs that do not cover the subject sounds more like not-so-civil government servants than a helpful operator.
 

spoton

Senior Member
webmeister
I did a a withdrawal from piranhapoker(everleaf skin) on thursday. Since they are saying they process withdrawals within 1-2 days i tried sending them a mail today, and was told they had alot of request so it would be some delays, but that i would get it within a few days. They couldnt confirm that "a few days" was within this week though. Will be fun to see, as they do offer some nice rakeback deals. Anyways ill update here when/if i get the money.
 

pokeraddict

Webmaster
I did a a withdrawal from piranhapoker(everleaf skin) on thursday. Since they are saying they process withdrawals within 1-2 days i tried sending them a mail today, and was told they had alot of request so it would be some delays, but that i would get it within a few days. They couldnt confirm that "a few days" was within this week though. Will be fun to see, as they do offer some nice rakeback deals. Anyways ill update here when/if i get the money.
Everleaf cashouts are slow to non US players, and US players have not gotten paid since they banned US players over 2 months ago. I would not play on this network. I have serious concerns about their ability to operate and pay players.
 

spoton

Senior Member
webmeister
I wonder if im gonna sign up for the everleaf skin 777pokerclub.com which offer a 2010 WSOP package. I bet i can get pretty good reads on the other players if i get there :D . Lol they also have another skin where you can win the chance to make your own porn movie. Their offer of a years supply of condoms is also nice.

Anyways the stupid support have stopped answering me now. I might have been a bit tough on them though, but it pisses me off when a site write "fast cashouts" on their main page.
 

pokeraddict

Webmaster
I wonder if im gonna sign up for the everleaf skin 777pokerclub.com which offer a 2010 WSOP package. I bet i can get pretty good reads on the other players if i get there :D . Lol they also have another skin where you can win the chance to make your own porn movie. Their offer of a years supply of condoms is also nice.

Anyways the stupid support have stopped answering me now. I might have been a bit tough on them though, but it pisses me off when a site write "fast cashouts" on their main page.
Red Cherry Poker is that Everleaf skin. They were once called Swank Poker but the magazine objected, and with good reason.

You can use your points for brothels, strip clubs, making your own porn, sex shops, sex tourism, and other stuff of that variety. You have to rake a substantial amount to get most of their prizes. For example, a day with an escort will require $20,000 in lifetime contributed rake.

Note that if you try to find that poker room's site it is very NSFW, which is why I did not link to their store.
 

spoton

Senior Member
webmeister
Got my withdrawal today. Thats not the worst timeframe i have encountered. I just wish they woulda been a bit more honest though. How about saying withdrawal in 5-10 buisness days instead of "just wait a few more days" x10?
 
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