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European Union To Ban Dozens Of High-Wattage Household Electrical Appliances ??

Discussion in 'Political Rants' started by DANB9191, May 11, 2016.

    May 11, 2016
  1. DANB9191

    DANB9191 Senior Member

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    European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical appliances such as kettles, toasters, hair dryers, WiFi routers and smartphones ??

    WTF ?? :eek: I need a morning coffee at least :eek2:

    Just seen it on google :what:
     
  2. May 11, 2016
  3. benmooe

    benmooe Experienced Member webby PABnononaccred MM webmeister

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    This happened 2 years ago, It was to get rid of old and wasteful appliances. I remember the only people i know at the time being complacent were those who owned fairly old dysons that were still working.
     
  4. May 11, 2016
  5. DANB9191

    DANB9191 Senior Member

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    Saw it posted here today You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Blags my head the government :what: Voting opens on 23rd June 2016 ? Can we just run the world ? :oops:
     
  6. May 12, 2016
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    All very well, but they can't regulate the laws of physics and require them to change in order to suit the EU agenda. The idea that the replacement products perform as well as the outlawed ones is something people already have experience of. In some cases, it's bullshit, so of course people are expecting ineffective kettles and toasters rather than the same performance at less running cost. The Brussels bureaucrats have so little faith in their ideas that they are keen to keep them hidden from the British until after the vote. What they SHOULD be doing is producing solid evidence to prove that we WILL end up with better kettles and toasters. The problem is that often the regulations run ahead of the technology, so when they messed with lightbulbs, we ended up with a worse experience of indoor lighting, cheaper to run, but more expensive overall because of the high cost of the new bulbs. We also found out that the new bulbs contain toxic substances, whereas the old incandescent bulbs just had glass and metal, and if one broke it could be swept up and chucked in the bin. If a new one breaks, you are supposed to open all the windows and take care in getting all the pieces off the floor. It is also much more difficult to dispose of according to regulations, although in many cases they do just get chucked in the bin as before.
    Only now do we have a technology in LED lighting that begins to match the performance of the old bulbs, and is good enough to replace the spotlights too.

    Kettles are very much governed by the laws of physics, it takes a set amount of energy to bring a pot of water to the boil in order to turn it into tea. A low powered kettle will still use just as much energy boiling that pot of water, it will just take longer, especially if it's watched:D

    If they are worried about the internet routers, then a lower powered one would mean even crappier WiFi than now, and it may mean that people set up relay routers just so that they can still get a decent signal. This won't save energy because you will be doubling up on the number of devices being used to deliver that signal.

    The way forward is a return to wired connections in the home and office, using WiFi only for portable devices and when out.

    Next winter, we should send out a crack team of eco warriors to Brussels, confiscate all their lightbulbs and give them one 10w low energy bulb per room, their restaurant will have all the electric ovens replaced with eco wood burning stoves and solar ovens, and the heating will be replaced with an air to water heat pump designed to use all the hot air generated in the debating chambers and committee rooms to provide low carbon heating for the whole of Brussels.
     
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  8. May 12, 2016
  9. benmooe

    benmooe Experienced Member webby PABnononaccred MM webmeister

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    Perhaps their thinking is that if they impose limits, then it will provide companies with an incentive to get to work on more efficient products.

    I'm in the middle about all of this because I live quite eco-friendly at the moment as i like to save money on just about anything i can so i like to think that the products and appliances i buy are at the best consumption rate they can be. However the thought of perfectly good electronics being forcibly made obsolete by laws makes me feel very uneasy. It's very wasteful. I would expect the rules to be laid out on all new items like it was in 2014 (apologies Dan, they had told manufacturers to change their ways but i didn't see the new proposal for post-brexit voting regarding existing appliances).

    Kind of ironic i'm talking about wasting money on a gambling discussion board though :p
     
  10. May 12, 2016
  11. Jd666

    Jd666 RiffRaff CAG mm4

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    Im definately voting out if they going to try to take my Actifry :laugh:
     
  12. May 12, 2016
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I was gonna say - hopefully it'll be moot for us Brits as we'll be out of the bastard monolith of waste and corruption in 2 months...:lolup:
     
  14. May 12, 2016
  15. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    :D:D:D:D Of all the problems in the world they pick toasters and kettles. This is utterly ridiculous. I suppose they want us all to shell out on expensive "Eco Friendly" versions which would hurt the wallet. When I need a kettle or a toaster I go for the cheapest one, it does the job and I don't need the fancy pants ones. Totally stupid directive if you ask me.
     
  16. May 12, 2016
  17. 09237653

    09237653 Senior Member

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    Wifi routers are already shite, mines in the next room and I can barely get a signal in here, start messing with peoples tea and brexit looks way more likely, had to replace a kettle not long ago and it takes forever compared to the old one. (am already voting out, mainly due to the biased propaganda which our gov comes up with every day for staying in)
     
  18. May 12, 2016
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Me thinks this is all horse hockey. I haven't heard a peep about anyone taking away my water boiler for tea, or my hair dryer, and you can still by loads of them in the stores. I think you are all getting your chain pulled. :rolleyes:

    Oh, just noticed this came from the Telegraph.co.uk - cyber fishwrap. :p
     
  20. May 12, 2016
  21. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    It isn't Bryan. They've already taken filament bulbs, and banned hoovers of over 1500? W.

    P.S You wont hear of it much of the time anyway. Such is the colossal flow of bullshit emanating from hordes of anonymous overpaid Eurocraps in Brussels that it's only when the press or somebody unravels it that it gets to you. Like when Stalin deported ('resettled') the Tartars from Ukraine the first they heard was when the soldiers turned up to shove them into cattle trains. The E-USSR works in a similar fashion, dictats by decree.
     
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  22. May 12, 2016
  23. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

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    Plus the TPD ( Tobacco Product Directive ) comes into effect on the 20th and they have lumped anything to do with ecigarettes and vaping into it. Potentially destroying an innovative industry which has helped millions give up smoking.

    This despite Public Health England and also the Royal College of Physicians recognising ECigs as a valid smoking cessation tool. Then we have the small matter of the TTIP that the unelected commissioners are working on with the US. Which from what has been leaked so far, does not look good for UK and also European businesses and more worryingly so, the National Health Service.

    Anyone guess yet what I am voting on 23rd June?
     
  24. May 12, 2016
  25. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Shall we put 'UK Out!!" overlays on our videos until then?:D
     
  26. May 12, 2016
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    You can still buy filament bulbs - I purchased one for my oven a couple of months ago. Most lights in Germany are halogen and energy saver anyway, so it's a non-topic. I remember there was a newscast a couple of years ago from the States showing Germans hording up on incandescent light bulbs because of a pending ban, which was such bullshit because hardly anyone uses them anymore.

    It didn't affect us one bit.

    Vacuum cleaners are normally 800w - 1300w here. You'd have to have a screw loose to buy anything with more wattage.
     
  28. May 12, 2016
  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Not officially unless for specialized items like ovens or fridges - they're exempt. You get all the others unofficially from eBay etc. Most halogen lights are even more inefficient than filament, due to huge heat loss. Some people in the EU did hoard filament bulbs. I still have a supply I bought before the supermarkets were banned from selling them. I bypassed the 'energy efficient' bulbs anyway (the fluorescent tube long twisty ones they recommended) and went over to LED years ago, even less cost to run.
     
  30. May 12, 2016
  31. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    Well, we'll soon be cleaning our own affairs by applying our own laws domestically.

    The EU sucks so hard anyway, we don't really want to be part of it as it is. just depends hoover you wanna believe. We also don't need the ailing Euro, wattage with our own current-sey.

    It may not be everyone's kettle of fish, but the EU bigwigs' proposals are bound to cause microwaves across the pond.

    VOLTS GOING ON??
     
  32. May 12, 2016
  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    They would be. That's all you're allowed by your E-USSR masters. I have a 2000W one, sucks like a score of Rio ladyboys (apparently).

    Crikey, no wonder Dyson down the road sells so much to the Germans, this must have done him a massive favour.
     
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  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    What will really happen is that manufacturers will just cut the wattage of their "budget" machines, and any development will be in their "premium" range. Since we are in times of austerity, many people are forced to shop "budget" and so will buy the ineffective models where the lower wattage means more time spent powered on, which defeats the energy saving aims.

    I have Dysons, but I won the money to pay for this premium product, so I can afford to invest in more "air watts" for a lower wattage motor.

    There is a loophole in lightbulbs in any case, it's still permitted to manufacture "heavy duty" bulbs for use in "industrial settings", and they can be bought down the local B&Q as well as on ebay. LED wasn't around when this ban was imposed, and even now LED is still very expensive compared to the "cheap as chips" supermarket incandescent bulb. Even though they failed on a regular basis, you could get 2 for a pound. Low energy bulbs were a fiver each, if not more. LED bulbs are over £20, even though the price will probably fall.

    LED does seem to be the way to go, if you can afford £20 per bulb, as they don't go dull as fast as the low energy CF ones, and they can last "forever", although they only have a 1 to 2 year guarantee like everything else.

    Rather than setting wattage limits, they should look at overall efficiency. A 3Kw kettle that can heat just the amount of water you need right now is more efficient than a 1kw kettle that just heats what's in it, but very slowly. The former would be banned under the directive, yet the lower wattage far less efficient kettle would still be allowed.

    You can make a vacuum suck just as well with half the power by reducing the size of it's brush, but this just means it takes longer to clean a given area.
     
  36. May 12, 2016
  37. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I had LED bulbs round the house 10 years ago. You weren't looking in the right places! I got a box of 6 'halogen replacement 22 LED spotlight bulbs' for about 14 quid IIRC to go in those lounge cluster lights which hitherto had 4 x 60w halogens which get as hot as Hades. The 100w replacements with 'warm' light LED's are admittedly about 9 quid each. Thing is, they never fail. Never replaced one yet. And unlike those gay energy-saving bulbs they give 100% performance instantly, like the old filament ones did.
    You're right about the hoover BS - you would spend 3 x longer doing the job with a crap budget one.
     
  38. May 13, 2016
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I looked into LED even earlier, when it was a niche product being trialled in a remote Indian village without mains power so that children could study after dark. It seems that when they launched here, there was a massive mark up in price as I doubt these villagers could afford £20 per unit. I had standard bayonet fittings, and these are the LED replacements that are £20 when I last looked and bought one for a new light fitting in the bathroom. I could not even find a version that had enough wattage equivalent to replace a 100W incandescent main light. I have also found out that there are some crappy Chinese 100W LED chips where up to half the LEDs don't even work properly, so in effect it's a 50W chip, even though it's sold as a 100W one.
    It seems that retailers were reluctant to stock a big range of LED bulbs, perhaps because of the price, but managed to stock plenty of the CF low energy bulbs that have come down in price from the early days.

    For the main rooms, I would want a powerful LED bulb, capable of providing the sort of light one could once get from the 150W incandescent bulb before they stopped selling them. Dimmable would be useful as it doesn't need to be full on for the TV.

    The one I did get for the bathroom fitting has a drawback, the light emits from the top of the bulb only, and the fitting requires the bulb to be on it's side. It is a design incompatibility between fitting and bulb, one that would not exist for an incandescent bulb. This is why a much larger range of designs for LED bulbs need to be readily available.
     

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