Eurolinx, BetOnBet, and Linx Casino gone into liquidation!!!

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microgaming owns eurolinx?je remme is owner of eurolinx?and what i shoold do as betonbet sportsbook player?
 

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Marc"myst"Karam, Eurolinx sponsored player, recently posted his story at 2+2. Very interesting and gives a hint when EL started to go downwards. In June 2008, so way before they bought BetOnBet and started Linx Casino.
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Also one affected player actually got a response from MG which was the following:

Thank you for your e-mail.

We are shocked and saddened that this has happened to one of our licensees.

We are currently unable to discuss anything regarding the situation as we are still waiting on further information ourselves. Information will be released as and when it becomes available.

Please understand that Microgamings activities are limited to providing software and poker network services. In keeping with the practises of other service providers, whether software or otherwise, Microgaming does not manage the business activities of its operators. Microgaming does not have any right to see the financial records or accounts of its operators.

Microgaming does not (and is not permitted to) hold player funds. We recommend that you lodge a claim directly with the liquidator as and when information becomes available. Microgaming will be taking this course of action, as should all creditors.

Thank you once again for your e-mail.

Microgaming


So they say they are shocked. Really? Several players reported months ago about problems with EL/BOB.

They say they just provide the network and software. And whats the BS about not being permitted to hold player funds? That should be the practice for every poker network. Still they handle the site to site transfers, banning etc.
And about not being permitted to see any finacial records of their licensees. So basically every non-traded casino or poker room can go bust the next day without MG having a clue. Just start a casino or poker room and start to scam people. And EL/BOB would probably still be operating if they hadnt "invited" MG to their offices.


And to those that have their rolls there. There probably will not be any liquidation. Because theres apparently so little money left that it wouldnt be enough to pay the liquidators.

Have a "semi"friend that managed to dump his entire roll of ~8k. Wonder how much dumping went on over the summer?

Edit: so if you want to be safe playing at MG choose a PLC. 32Red, Unibet or Ladbrokes.

It seems that the above assumption was right. Its over 2 months since they went belly up and no sign of any liquidators.

Does anyone know if theres been any progress with LGA (any former BetOnBet player)?

And I didnt keep my own word:oops: "Had" to reopen my 32Red account.
 

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This industry is full of criminals. If you want to keep your money i suggest staying away from ALL online casinos and poker rooms.
 

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Have a "semi"friend that managed to dump his entire roll of ~8k. Wonder how much dumping went on over the summer?

This has me thinking, none of the money actually existed at Eurolinx, they were bust. If balances were dumped from Eurolinx to other SOLVENT skins in the network, how did THESE skins get their money, and are THEY hurting from the money arriving from Eurolinx players to theirs having no actual value in the real world. When players come to cash the money out, it had better have value, but who is going to pay?

IF MGS argue that the money in balances at individual operators is NOT protected by any kind of "ring fencing", yet expect DIFFERENT operators to trust in the network when this money moves BETWEEN the different operators, how exactly is this working so that OPERATORS are protected, yet PLAYERS are NOT.

Something isn't adding up here, or does money NEVER move between different operators, so this is never an issue.
 

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IF MGS argue that the money in balances at individual operators is NOT protected by any kind of "ring fencing", yet expect DIFFERENT operators to trust in the network when this money moves BETWEEN the different operators, how exactly is this working so that OPERATORS are protected, yet PLAYERS are NOT.

I have blogged about this on my forum. Here is a snippet.

Now as an affiliate and I might add a player, I find it incredulous that Microgaming have somehow let their once high standards drop, allowing their players and affiliates of microgaming powered online casinos which have gone to the wall left hung out to dry.

The casino that has gone to the wall most recently is EuroLinx.

Microgaming charge a high percentage on profit of all their operators each and every month. They have a moral obligation to ensure the players at Eurolinx get paid out in full. They also could have stopped Grand Prive stealing the monies from all their affiliate partners. Yet they have done nothing, absolutely nothing.

Shame on you Microgaming. Your inaction is a bad reflection on your decent upstanding operators. Who should be mortified that your lack of leadership on these issues is indirectly affecting them.
 

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This has me thinking, none of the money actually existed at Eurolinx, they were bust. If balances were dumped from Eurolinx to other SOLVENT skins in the network, how did THESE skins get their money, and are THEY hurting from the money arriving from Eurolinx players to theirs having no actual value in the real world. When players come to cash the money out, it had better have value, but who is going to pay?

IF MGS argue that the money in balances at individual operators is NOT protected by any kind of "ring fencing", yet expect DIFFERENT operators to trust in the network when this money moves BETWEEN the different operators, how exactly is this working so that OPERATORS are protected, yet PLAYERS are NOT.

Something isn't adding up here, or does money NEVER move between different operators, so this is never an issue.

MG obviously holds part of the money to ensure the site to site transfers goes smoothly. In TUSK they held some 300k+ which was returned to TUSK after the termination of the license.
And as there arent any games at nosebleed level thats not a problem. At that level a single player can lose over 1 million/day.

MG apparently takes 17% of the rake generated. I know some players had earned MG far more rake than they are owed, in both cases (TUSK and Linx).

And MG will never step up, its not worth it. In TUSK players are owed 5,3 million AUD and in Eurolinx/BetOnBet the numbers are most likely much higher. Checked at one Finnish RB affiliate, a quick estimation gave some 300-400k () owed to those players already.

So I think Im not exaggerating when I believe the total owed is well over 10 million. Given how little publicity both cases have got you will never see MG bailing them out. Even if they are to blame quite much in both cases.
 

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MG obviously holds part of the money to ensure the site to site transfers goes smoothly. In TUSK they held some 300k+ which was returned to TUSK after the termination of the license.
And as there arent any games at nosebleed level thats not a problem. At that level a single player can lose over 1 million/day.

MG apparently takes 17% of the rake generated. I know some players had earned MG far more rake than they are owed, in both cases (TUSK and Linx).

And MG will never step up, its not worth it. In TUSK players are owed 5,3 million AUD and in Eurolinx/BetOnBet the numbers are most likely much higher. Checked at one Finnish RB affiliate, a quick estimation gave some 300-400k () owed to those players already.

So I think Im not exaggerating when I believe the total owed is well over 10 million. Given how little publicity both cases have got you will never see MG bailing them out. Even if they are to blame quite much in both cases.

Take my argument to the extreme; what if EVERY player had somehow got wind of this, and ALL balances at Eurolinx were "dumped" to accounts at other, fully solvent, operators. These OPERATORS would be EXPECTING the money to be "good", as they would be required to pay it out to their players. If MGS do not have the money in a "ring fence" somewhere, this scenario could lead to complete DISASTER, with SOLVENT operators being dragged into insolvency through being unable to make good the money won from players in the insolvent operator.
Since this keeps on happening, and TWICE now with MGS, we will see more players getting "twitchy" when things just don't seem right, and MORE in the way of this "dumping" taking place. This could actually CREATE a problem when the issues causing the initial "twitchiness" were NOTHING to do with another operator going bust, but purely down to the "twice bitten, thrice shy" attitude of players to some operational issues, like the operator losing it's internet connection for a while, then it returning with "problems".
 

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Take my argument to the extreme; what if EVERY player had somehow got wind of this, and ALL balances at Eurolinx were "dumped" to accounts at other, fully solvent, operators. These OPERATORS would be EXPECTING the money to be "good", as they would be required to pay it out to their players. If MGS do not have the money in a "ring fence" somewhere, this scenario could lead to complete DISASTER, with SOLVENT operators being dragged into insolvency through being unable to make good the money won from players in the insolvent operator.
Since this keeps on happening, and TWICE now with MGS, we will see more players getting "twitchy" when things just don't seem right, and MORE in the way of this "dumping" taking place. This could actually CREATE a problem when the issues causing the initial "twitchiness" were NOTHING to do with another operator going bust, but purely down to the "twice bitten, thrice shy" attitude of players to some operational issues, like the operator losing it's internet connection for a while, then it returning with "problems".

Chipdumping isnt that easy, if you dont wanna get caught. The player I mentioned did it over a period of two weeks, and he played pretty much his normal limits. Altough if you were caught it was definitely an EV+ situation to at least try.

And MG surely was watching the action at tables more carefully, they must have been aware that players were desperate.

The funds arent actually immediately withdrawable, at least not at Ladbrokes. Edit: Someone who knows better could comment.

Its interesting what you mentioned if in future there would be, lets say GENUINE processing problems. How would players act? Altough I dont see why anyone would still play at MG network.

One site was most likely quite close to bust recently (at least they were bleeding heavily), they recently changed ownership. But what I know they would have had the players money ringfenced.
 

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Chipdumping isnt that easy, if you dont wanna get caught. The player I mentioned did it over a period of two weeks, and he played pretty much his normal limits. Altough if you were caught it was definitely an EV+ situation to at least try.

And MG surely was watching the action at tables more carefully, they must have been aware that players were desperate.

The funds arent actually immediately withdrawable, at least not at Ladbrokes. Edit: Someone who knows better could comment.

Its interesting what you mentioned if in future there would be, lets say GENUINE processing problems. How would players act? Altough I dont see why anyone would still play at MG network.

One site was most likely quite close to bust recently (at least they were bleeding heavily), they recently changed ownership. But what I know they would have had the players money ringfenced.

If MGS had ACTED as though they knew, they could become liable for damages for failing to use their "knowing" to step in & protect players' funds. MGS, in the case of TUSK, claim they acted as soon as they knew, which they claim was when the licencee informed them that they intended to go into liquidation.
There are a few other non-MGS poker rooms that have "disappeared" without notice, and players fear that these too have gone bust. Every time this happens, and players get screwed, the trust in online poker is chipped away. Eurolinx seems to be the first time an MG CASINO has gone bust, and NOT been swiftly taken over by another group who honoured players' balances. The two cases before, Integrity & Casino Action, were both rescued by Casino Rewards, who probably have a serious case of indigestion by now, and so cannot manage Eurolinx casino for desert.
 

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If MGS had ACTED as though they knew, they could become liable for damages for failing to use their "knowing" to step in & protect players' funds. MGS, in the case of TUSK, claim they acted as soon as they knew, which they claim was when the licencee informed them that they intended to go into liquidation.
There are a few other non-MGS poker rooms that have "disappeared" without notice, and players fear that these too have gone bust. Every time this happens, and players get screwed, the trust in online poker is chipped away. Eurolinx seems to be the first time an MG CASINO has gone bust, and NOT been swiftly taken over by another group who honoured players' balances. The two cases before, Integrity & Casino Action, were both rescued by Casino Rewards, who probably have a serious case of indigestion by now, and so cannot manage Eurolinx casino for desert.

They definitely knew about the problems (well maybe not officially). Many had reported about them as early as in May. EL/BOB actually invited them (MG) to their offices after which the license was terminated (somewhat similar to TUSK).

And EurolinxLydia went over to MG in, I think it was June, but apparently she was later sacked. Dont know if she ever told anything about the situation over at EL/BOB, if not shame on you Lydia M.

Once again just shows that MG doesnt have any clue whatsoever what their licensees are doing. As long as they get their cash everything is fine.

And I see it very unlikely that anyone wants to take over the casino, the player base is likely small and of little value. Your account at Casino Action probably was worth more than all the Linx accounts together:p
 
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It seems that the above assumption was right. Its over 2 months since they went belly up and no sign of any liquidators.

Does anyone know if theres been any progress with LGA (any former BetOnBet player)?

And I didnt keep my own word:oops: "Had" to reopen my 32Red account.

Had to quote myself. One affected player reported on 2+2 that he had contacted LGA multiple times and hasnt got a single reply.

I think I will contact "my" MEP next week and see if he can do anything about LGA (extremely unlikely but worth a try). They are even worse than Kahnawake. What a completely useless organization.
 

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It looks as if little has changed in Malta and the LGA despite the assurances of the new management earlier this year.

Perhaps they are alarmed at the size of the Eurolinx debacle.

How about triggering some local media action - say the Times of Malta or The Independent in Malta - to put some pressure on the LGA?

Complainants with a specific case should at the very least get the courtesy of an acknowledgement of their complaint - ignoring them is neither professional or acceptable imo.
 

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Malta.....lip service, that's all you'll get - when they actually respond to you.

Major disappointment these people. They ought to lose their licensing abilities for being so non-player focused.

This is from last year's awards. Biggest Disappointment of 2008:
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/bestworst2008.php

...So what does this indicate? Well hopefully not that the LGA is just another rubber stamp licensing agency primarily set up to shelter the casino operators from massive taxes. In order to have a driver's license, you have to know how to drive. And if you screw up bad enough the license is taken away. The reason why we have licenses is to protect the pedestrians and other drivers from getting smashed into or run over. This should be no different in the gaming industry - the license is to ensure player safety.

I have another issue with them from one of our members. The LGA reps at the EIG told me that they were aware of this player's problem and were dealing with it. The player hasn't heard diddly squat. What a crock of doo doo.

Looks like a repeat award this year :rolleyes:

As for MGS getting massive percentages from operators, I don't think this is true with the poker rooms. I spoke to their CEO at the EIG about this, and he told me the percentage from Poker rooms is miniscule. In fact the operator owes them money - they're looking for him as well. He also said that they had done their due diligence with background checks on this guy Jo Remme.

But no-one is exempt from being fooled, right? Remember last year when this guy (Jo Remme) lied to me? This was a very public player issue - spread all over 2+2 and here. Eurolinx was yanked off the site because of this...yet people kept playing.

Caveat emptor - or a fool and his money are soon parted...

I'll check with MGS on what their position is on this. I'm not sure if they are dealing with this or what.
 

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In fact the operator owes them money - they're looking for him as well. He also said that they had done their due diligence with background checks on this guy Jo Remme.

Remme had a history of fraud and embezzlement from running La Isla Bonita Casino with a pyramid scheme on the side. If they were OK with that they need to raise their standards.
 

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AFAIK there have been no further press releases from Microgaming to augment the ones already up on its website, which indicated that like the players MGS was awaiting the appointment of liquidators.
 

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Chipdumping isnt that easy, if you dont wanna get caught. The player I mentioned did it over a period of two weeks, and he played pretty much his normal limits. Altough if you were caught it was definitely an EV+ situation to at least try.

And MG surely was watching the action at tables more carefully, they must have been aware that players were desperate.

The funds arent actually immediately withdrawable, at least not at Ladbrokes. Edit: Someone who knows better could comment.

Its interesting what you mentioned if in future there would be, lets say GENUINE processing problems. How would players act? Altough I dont see why anyone would still play at MG network.

One site was most likely quite close to bust recently (at least they were bleeding heavily), they recently changed ownership. But what I know they would have had the players money ringfenced.

People with more knowledge than I are covering the other issues pretty effectively so I'll just focus on VWM's point, which is extremely valid and one I genuinely hadn't considered until now - and very interested in understanding how MG or any network really deals with this issue.

Because...I'm a professional poker player and I can tell you that dumping huge amounts is incredibly easy for online pros. I could do it my sleep..in a manner that could have 20 experts watching the action aware I'm doing it and be helpless to do anything. For online pros, it's really just very basic and simple stuff.

And...I know players who dumped huge amounts from their Eurolinx accounts as the situation developed from Abnormal to Concerning to Potential Collapse to Liquidation. And I had no ethical problem with them doing so - but none of us had this issue in mind, which is a bit embarrassing I guess.

But surely there is some sort of reconciliation periodically and if there is a shortfall, MG must be forced to make it up - and I suspect they're doing this for these large abnormalities in reconciliation very quietly. Surely?

If not, you're going to see a domino-effect of collapses across the Prima network. And no way are some of the major skins foolish enough not to have considered this issue - so it has to be all guaranteed by MG somehow?
 

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Malta.....lip service, that's all you'll get - when they actually respond to you.

Major disappointment these people. They ought to lose their licensing abilities for being so non-player focused.

This is from last year's awards. Biggest Disappointment of 2008:
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/bestworst2008.php



I have another issue with them from one of our members. The LGA reps at the EIG told me that they were aware of this player's problem and were dealing with it. The player hasn't heard diddly squat. What a crock of doo doo.

Looks like a repeat award this year :rolleyes:

As for MGS getting massive percentages from operators, I don't think this is true with the poker rooms. I spoke to their CEO at the EIG about this, and he told me the percentage from Poker rooms is miniscule. In fact the operator owes them money - they're looking for him as well. He also said that they had done their due diligence with background checks on this guy Jo Remme.

But no-one is exempt from being fooled, right? Remember last year when this guy (Jo Remme) lied to me? This was a very public player issue - spread all over 2+2 and here. Eurolinx was yanked off the site because of this...yet people kept playing.

Caveat emptor - or a fool and his money are soon parted...

I'll check with MGS on what their position is on this. I'm not sure if they are dealing with this or what.

MG takes 17% from the gross rake. So if the operator owns them money its peanuts to what they generated in rake from EL/BOB over the years. They were quite big skins. And their due diligence:oops:

Correct about warning signals last year. Sadly many newer poker players dont know about this site. Also according to Marc"myst"Karam it was a few months after that the problems started. But there were many players on BoB that didnt have a clue about it. Most Finnish players were BoB players as was durrr. And BoB was bought by Eurolinx early this year.

Their problems started a while after the TUSK scandal. And that already should have been enough of a warning signal to withdraw any funds from a non PLC MG room. Sadly there were many players that hadnt even heard of it (TUSK), of course it wasnt in the big RB affiliates interest to give it much space.

Edit: adding about chipdumping. Its can be easy if your roll is about 15-25 buyins. But to dump a +50 buyin roll isnt that easy. Not to talk about donkament players.
 

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...Correct about warning signals last year. Sadly many newer poker players dont know about this site. Also according to Marc"myst"Karam it was a few months after that the problems started. But there were many players on BoB that didnt have a clue about it...
I can buy the fact that not everyone knows about Casinomeister - but most everyone has heard of Google. Search "eurolinx problems" and the thread pops up detailing their removal at #2. This was the same result prior to their fuck-up. :rolleyes:

I find it hard to sympathize with seasoned players who ignore the warnings that are a Google search away, and then are shocked when a company goes tits up. People need to exercise a little more discretion when it comes to choosing poker rooms etc.

But that's a little off topic - don't need to go there.
 

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I can buy the fact that not everyone knows about Casinomeister - but most everyone has heard of Google. Search "eurolinx problems" and the thread pops up detailing their removal at #2. This was the same result prior to their fuck-up. :rolleyes:

I find it hard to sympathize with seasoned players who ignore the warnings that are a Google search away, and then are shocked when a company goes tits up. People need to exercise a little more discretion when it comes to choosing poker rooms etc.

But that's a little off topic - don't need to go there.

But that was pretty much the only screw up that reached daylight. And the player in that case did quite much to stirr it up etc. He was banned at 2+2 for example.
Cashouts were processed fast and their support always was good, the best actually. And if everything runs smoothly its unlikely that you would google them for problems. I have never done it.
And in 2008 many highstake players succesfully cashed out their rolls after the big games on MG dried up. Several players with rolls of 500k+ (hearsay about the sizes of rolls).
 

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And in 2008 many highstake players succesfully cashed out their rolls after the big games on MG dried up. Several players with rolls of 500k+ (hearsay about the sizes of rolls).

If you're getting your info from the main poker forums you have to realise there is literally SO much dribble about rolls there it's hard to believe a fraction of what they claim is true. I stopped posting on 2+2 and some of the other larger forums because I got tired of seeing players claim things I could easily disprove - and I didn't want to just be a "Truth Policeman" with all those retarded egos who would either sit out when I sat or who didn't even play the stakes they claimed.

But I will concur with you to Bryan that Eurolinx's reputation (right up until a month or so before disaster) was still viewed by most poker players in a positive light - I'm not sure when exactly it clicked for me that it was "game over" but I'd be lying if I claimed it was 2-3 months before the fact...even though problems starting showing up > 4 months (?) before they capitulated.

The poker community has a lot to answer for in this regard. I seriously don't know what's with players who don't make things like this public, but I had close friends in the final fortnight when it was 100% Titanic panic-Skype me saying they had 5 figure amounts pending for months?!!? And that Eurolinx wasn't reversing their w/d requests so they couldn't dump. After I ridiculed them, I helped a couple with some cheeky tricks which worked (if small remaining balance, dump it on high HA casino sidegames, then ask w/d reversed etc :)). If I had a pending withdrawal > (such a short time for poker - a week max or less for processors), I would have pretty much covered forums with that news. I never understand why people stay quiet about these things.

(As for dumping, yes ofc 50+ buyins is trickier - still easy if you know what you're doing. And if you're a tourney player with a huge roll on there, unless they hit big scores towards the end, all I'd say is...Why? You don't need 50k to play tournaments on *any* site, regardless of volume.)
 

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If you're getting your info from the main poker forums you have to realise there is literally SO much dribble about rolls there it's hard to believe a fraction of what they claim is true. I stopped posting on 2+2 and some of the other larger forums because I got tired of seeing players claim things I could easily disprove - and I didn't want to just be a "Truth Policeman" with all those retarded egos who would either sit out when I sat or who didn't even play the stakes they claimed.

But I will concur with you to Bryan that Eurolinx's reputation (right up until a month or so before disaster) was still viewed by most poker players in a positive light - I'm not sure when exactly it clicked for me that it was "game over" but I'd be lying if I claimed it was 2-3 months before the fact...even though problems starting showing up > 4 months (?) before they capitulated.

The poker community has a lot to answer for in this regard. I seriously don't know what's with players who don't make things like this public, but I had close friends in the final fortnight when it was 100% Titanic panic-Skype me saying they had 5 figure amounts pending for months?!!? And that Eurolinx wasn't reversing their w/d requests so they couldn't dump. After I ridiculed them, I helped a couple with some cheeky tricks which worked (if small remaining balance, dump it on high HA casino sidegames, then ask w/d reversed etc :)). If I had a pending withdrawal > (such a short time for poker - a week max or less for processors), I would have pretty much covered forums with that news. I never understand why people stay quiet about these things.

(As for dumping, yes ofc 50+ buyins is trickier - still easy if you know what you're doing. And if you're a tourney player with a huge roll on there, unless they hit big scores towards the end, all I'd say is...Why? You don't need 50k to play tournaments on *any* site, regardless of volume.)

That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.
 

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That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.

I dunno who that is but I think I misunderstood you anyway, sorry! :oops: We're both in agreeance that Eurolinx's reputation (for whatever incorrect reasons) was exceptionally solid amongst the poker industry right up until very near to collapse. And I agree with you that it'd be rare for a poker player to Google for problems when the room's reputation is solid and their business practices seem very slick (both true for Eurolinx).

My tiny rant there about the nonsense on the major forums was due to the fact that the good posters on those forums are just dwarfed by lying idiots - and that there is a culture of lying for ego-based reasons that stretches right up to some of the 'name' posters and mods - they're mostly just terrible forums across the board and very little information pulled from there has any value unless it can be verified.

Bryan is 100% right though regarding human nature. Look at how many players have flooded back to AP / UB - I got amounts on CEREUS that are ridiculous considering the debauchery and scandal-filled past. And I've reloaded big amounts on Prima skins post-TUSK post-Eurolinx. You could argue (almost fairly) that those of us who get burned in situations involving these two in particular...almost have it coming. However, to counter, if you didn't fund any room which had a shady past or history of unethical behaviour - you'd have to pretty much scratch most of them. For years, I refused to play above 2/4 fixed as I was 100% certain the sites would rig the big games. I was left behind for years until 06, when I realised I'd been wrong and went robusto. But...I played 200,000 hands of SS Fixed at AP in 04/05 - had I gone up in limits, huge chance I find myself a busted victim just as I suspected (although I thought EVERY site would have stuff like that going on - and they all might, and anyone that argues otherwise is very naive).

It's just so hard when you're trying to juggle the realities of an industry that's so shady across such a large portion of the board. You find yourself *wanting* to believe certain comforting things, when the dark reality is that history for most sites are shady and filled with "um?" incidents.
 

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This was posted last week by a BOB player at pokerisivut.

Reference is made to your official complaint to the LGA re Alpine Malta Ltd (BetOnBet.com).
This e-mail is to update you on the status of the investigation proceedings into the Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com).
The Authority has concluded the investigation into Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) casino and poker licenses based in Malta.

The Authorities investigation findings have been transferred to the Malta Police who are now proceeding with an investigation into Alpine Malta Ltd (BetOnBet.com).

At this stage the Authority is awaiting the Malta Police to conclude and advise the outcome of their investigation process which will then be made public and you will be notified accordingly.


Regards
Frances Blenheim


Dont know how much about the Malta Economic Crimes Unit, but according to what I have heard about Malta and "dirty money" you have to wonder if it even exists.

So I guess Jo Remme is laughing all the way to the bank.
 

biggambler567

Dormant account
PABaccred
PABnononaccred2
Joined
Aug 16, 2007
Location
Trinidad
Possible another casino

Hi folks after this whole fiasco, there is another microgaming operator i have been watching foa a few months now, both players and affiliates are having to wait weeks to receiver withdrawals/commission payouts, the rep is listen on this forum and has apprently stopped responding to players emails, i will name the operator because i dont want anyone to be scammed again, it is nedplay, so if you play at this casino be very careful and expect a delay in weeks for withdrawals to be processed, something at this casino is not right, but i will continue to monitor check the casino rep page on this forum and you will see a number of cases where players are still waiting for withdrawals from in october, something is definetly wrong!!!!1
 

vinylweatherman

You type well loads
Joined
Oct 14, 2004
Location
United Kingdom
Hi folks after this whole fiasco, there is another microgaming operator i have been watching foa a few months now, both players and affiliates are having to wait weeks to receiver withdrawals/commission payouts, the rep is listen on this forum and has apprently stopped responding to players emails, i will name the operator because i dont want anyone to be scammed again, it is nedplay, so if you play at this casino be very careful and expect a delay in weeks for withdrawals to be processed, something at this casino is not right, but i will continue to monitor check the casino rep page on this forum and you will see a number of cases where players are still waiting for withdrawals from in october, something is definetly wrong!!!!1

I would advise you persuade these players to come here and issue PABs against Nedplay. This will get the ball rolling, and give Max some concrete claims to pursue, rather than forum posts and opinions.

Nedplay should have a timetable for players to receive their withdrawals, and 2 weeks+ seems excessive. Players who have waited more than 3 weeks certainly have a damn good case for unreasonable delay, and they should submit PABs.
If these PABs show something isn't right with Nedplay, Max will issue an appropriate warning, and they will be suspended from the accredited section until they get their act together.

Many Nedplay issues discussed here seem to be down to incompetence and lack of staff for the number of players who have joined. If the rep or their CS are not responding to issues raised, this seems an escalation of the problem, since the rep did post here and asked players to contact him directly by PM, and he would get to the bottom of these issues.

Affiliates can also PAB against their program for non-payment it seems, mentioned in an earlier thread.

Sadly, given the lack of concern MGS have shown in both the TUSK and Eurolinx Microgaming failures, it is no suprise that players and affiliates fear the issues now affecting them at Nedplay are a rerun of the former two. Given that there is NO-ONE to step in to guarantee player and affiliate monies in casino and affiliate accounts in the event of failure, their fear in this respect is very real.
 
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