eCOGRA needs to make a decision about JACKPOT FACTORY... NOW!!

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RobWin

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Amazing NO REPLY from eCOGRA

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I am absolutely amazed this has been going on all week now and we have STILL NOT heard any word from eCOGRA, don't get me wrong I am not talking about a Decision from eCOGRA but merely A STATEMENT.

All they had to do all week would just have been to issue a statement on this forum board, since the issue was raised here simply stating:

THE BOARD AT eCOGRA HAS JUST RECENTLY BECOME AWARE OF A TROUBLING SITUATION THAT HAS ARISEN REGARDING WEB PAGE CONTENT AT OUR SEAL APPROVED "JACKPOT FACTORY CASINO GROUP". WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER AND WILL BE ISSUING A STATEMENT/DECISION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SINCERELY, eCOGRA


What is so damn hard and legal about that. But not to have heard from eCOGRA all week makes me and I am sure others on this forum board very nervous about the true value of eCOGRA as a governing/regulation body for online casinos.

Hell if it were not for all of us there would be no eCOGRA because there would be no business for the online casinos, thus no business for eCOGRA.

eCOGRA please prove all the disbelivers here wrong and issue At Least a Statement TODAY, whatever little reputation you have built with the player community in your short time is definately dwindling fast. Prove to all of us Players (the real reason you are even here) that you are for real and will standup for the player community.

There is absolutely no doubt that the powers that be in Washington will here about this and be influenced in one way or the other sooner than later.
 

vtlady

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No Statement Form eCogra

This doesn't surprise me in the least. They are nothing but a bunch of yes people. I doubt if they ever even check up on the casinos they endorse after they get the seal. As far as I am concerned the eCogra seal of approval isn't worth the powder to blow it to hell. No crediability here folks.
 

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VTlady

You have become my favorite poster on this thread.

Check how on a 4 lines she said EVERYTHING that must be said about eCogra.

I said all that in 40 posts fighting with Jetset the "eCogra Groupie".

THANKS VTLADY... Apparently you know about what you are talking about.

That seal and the 100 sites campaing can go straight to .....

Honestly I hope that the today online gambler knows how to spot a good and decent business with out following seals or companies endorsing others.

People interested on the industry should be educated on how to spot the bad business and how to identify and learn to study if the site visited is a honest one.

For now, I strongly recommend everyone to keep visiting the Meister's site. This site will never stab any player or casino on the back.
 

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I apologize in advance for not having read the whole thread.


Jetset -

I am informed that the proper legal procedures that need to be followed in these circumstances where a withdrawal or suspension of the eCOGRA seal is contemplated, have to follow the legal procedures of English Law (where eCOGRA is based) and the principles of *natural justice* (because it is applied to companies not necessarily falling under English jurisprudence).


The following must take place before a seal can be withdrawn:


(i) the eGAP rules are clear and unambiguous;

(ii) a person or entity is given a chance to rectify any shortcomings or non-compliance;

(iii) the natural justice rules are followed in relation to disciplinary proceedings; and

(iv) the eGAP and natural justice rules are consistently applied on a
case to case basis.

The three cardinal rules of natural justice are:

1. A person or entity has the right to know the case against him. This typically requires:

. adequate notice of the allegations
. adequate notice of the hearing
. adequate notice of the procedure for determining the alleged breach(es)

2. A person or entity must have a fair opportunity to answer the charges and
present his own case.

3. A person has the right to a decision from an unbiased decision-maker.

Heck, I've seen people sent to jail without this much due process!

Seriously, though, wouldn't it be great if eCOGRA required 1/10 as much "natural justice" before allowing casinos to confiscate players' funds?




Watchdog -

After a while I got the feeling that these eCogra guys were nothing but some guys saling a logo.

As far as I know, players don't take them seriously.

I mean, it's not like you ever see anybody say, "Oh, you're having a problem? Take it to eCogra."

CasinoMeister, yes. eCogra - no.

Which makes me wonder if this isn't a bit of a storm in a teacup.
 

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Let_It_Ride said:
wow what a lot of time and energy being spent on eCORGA, I'd never even heard of them before this incident, why is no one going after the board of directors of jackpot factory for answers? makes more sense to me then asking for statements from a non profit making organisation that has one or two employees.

Hands up how many of us look at the logos/seals on a casino we choose to play at, not many I guess.

Lol. Maybe eCogra a big deal to insiders. I don't know.

Hell, I thought it was eCobra, until a couple days ago.
 

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While I am not a fan of eCOGRA, or any other self-proclaimed internal watchdog...until, and if, we finally have a truly regulated online gambling WORLD court sort of thing, I must say this...

In the end, it is the casinos' responsibility to cease and desist the unscrupulous and downright sickening marketing tactics they're employing. I don't give a rats ass what eCOGRA thinks about all of this. The casinos are using shame, fear, and greed as marketing tools. Don't play there. Don't promote them. If you are in the position, spread the word that these people are unscrupulous and evil. Or, at the very least....stupidly greedy as all hell.
 

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RobWin said:
:confused:

I am absolutely amazed this has been going on all week now and we have STILL NOT heard any word from eCOGRA, don't get me wrong I am not talking about a Decision from eCOGRA but merely A STATEMENT.

All they had to do all week would just have been to issue a statement on this forum board, since the issue was raised here simply stating:

THE BOARD AT eCOGRA HAS JUST RECENTLY BECOME AWARE OF A TROUBLING SITUATION THAT HAS ARISEN REGARDING WEB PAGE CONTENT AT OUR SEAL APPROVED "JACKPOT FACTORY CASINO GROUP". WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER AND WILL BE ISSUING A STATEMENT/DECISION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SINCERELY, eCOGRA


What is so damn hard and legal about that. But not to have heard from eCOGRA all week makes me and I am sure others on this forum board very nervous about the true value of eCOGRA as a governing/regulation body for online casinos.

Hell if it were not for all of us there would be no eCOGRA because there would be no business for the online casinos, thus no business for eCOGRA.

eCOGRA please prove all the disbelivers here wrong and issue At Least a Statement TODAY, whatever little reputation you have built with the player community in your short time is definately dwindling fast. Prove to all of us Players (the real reason you are even here) that you are for real and will standup for the player community.

There is absolutely no doubt that the powers that be in Washington will here about this and be influenced in one way or the other sooner than later.



:mad:

What the hell is going on eCOGRA ? This is Totally Unacceptable that the Player Community has not heard a single word from your organization for a week now that this issue has been out here......:mad:
 

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RobWin said:
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What the hell is going on eCOGRA ? This is Totally Unacceptable that the Player Community has not heard a single word from your organization for a week now that this issue has been out here......:mad:


eCOGRA you want to really blow your chances of making a statement to all the USA Player Community and the Legislators in Washington that this industry can be regulated "You Damn Sure Are Doing A Fine Job Of That..:thumbsup:
 

Let_It_Ride

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interesting

I've just been through my list of online casinos that I've opened accounts at and played at.

From the 10 I only play at 3 now the other 7 I closed my account after having some sort of problem or other.

Now from the 3 I play at I see that they do not carry the eCORGA seal, however from the 7 that I had problems at 6 have the seal!

the stats speak for themselves, so eCORGA take as long as you want any statement you may finally make will hold no weight with me.
 

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Requirements From eCOGRAs Website

112 RESPONSIBLE ADVERTISING AND PROMOTIONS

OBJECTIVE:

The seal holder will ensure that players are not mislead through advertising or promotional activities, and will ensure that the terms and conditions of their promotions are followed. Advertisements for the operator’s site should not offend acceptable social or moral standards.

Jackpot Factory Group totally blew this one out of the water !

METHODOLOGY:

eCOGRA audit panel members must use whichever methods appropriate to confirm that this objective is met. It is suggested the eCOGRA audit panel representative monitors advertising campaigns on an ad-hoc basis.

Well eCOGRA Totally dropped the ball on this one !


MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:

Advertising and Promotions

113.R.1 Advertising media and content as well as promotional activities shall comply with the letter and spirit of eCOGRA.

113.R.2 The placement and content of adverts shall not target those under the legal gambling age.

113.R.3 The eCOGRA seal and/or reference to any of the eCOGRA affiliates (e.g. the audit panel members) can only be used if specifically authorised by the relevant organisations.

113.R.4 Terms and conditions applicable to promotional activities shall be clearly displayed and shall not be unreasonably altered subsequent to the wagering activity.

113.R.5 Email and SMS advertising shall have a genuine unsubscribe, or opt-out, facility.


SUGGESTED PRACTICES:

Content

113.P.1 Operator websites should be in compliance with advertising standards and regulations applicable to the regulatory environments within which they are operating.


113.P.2 All advertising should contain factually correct information.


eCOGRA the above requirements 113.P.1 and 113.P.2 from your website are not enough to strip Jackpot Factory Groups Seal ?

AMAZING, tell us again eCOGRA why you are here and what your purpose is exactly ? Please..... :eek:

Unbeliveable
 
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We will probably have a resolution at the end of the day where eCOGRA will state that they have successfully removed all their inflammatory and related nonsense from their site and that they are happy with that.

From a large scale eCOGRA supporter I am truly ashamed of eCOGRA's ignorance towards 888.com's conduct in the Blog spamming as well. It seems that either eCOGRA simply don't feel there is anything wrong with the conduct that 888.com made themselves guilty of or they do not understand the true implications of the spamming techniques used by them or their affiliates.

I need to take the following quote from their home page.

eCOGRA is the independent standards authority of the online gaming industry, specifically overseeing fair gaming, player protection and responsible operator conduct.

Prompt payments, safe storage of information, random games, honest advertising, and responsible behavior by the online casino and poker room operator are the primary concerns of every player, so that means they are also the primary concerns of eCOGRA, "eCommerce and Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance".

eCOGRA, if you haven't noticed yet we need you in this industry to wrap these casinos like 888 and Jackpot Factory over the knuckles. If you do not act on these clearly guilty actions by these 2 operators by stripping them of eCOGRA seal even if it is for a year of what use are you to the industry. Both of these actions were completely unacceptable and without a doubt very conscious decisions made by operators clearly hunger for more $$$$. I personally feel that eCOGRA has no choice here and we are watching you!
 

vtlady

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Like I said before eCogra is just a yes group. They are all hand picked by the casinos with the seal. Have you noticed that only microgamming casinos are members? Whats that say? Jackpot Factory doesn't practice responsible gaming and could care less about the poor people in their stories. My guess is their all made up stories. A real bunch of S--T. People should stop playing at all eCogra casinos.
 

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Hi vtlady

I am afraid it isn't that simple. I believe that eCOGRA is facing some of it's first really difficult decisions and from truely unexpected operators. I am sure that they will make the right decision eventually and I am sure that posts like yours should give them the message that they do not have much of a choice as a wrong decision here will hurt their reputation very badly. However, most operators with their seal is still reliable and trusted so I do not agree with your sentiment with regards to other operators with their seal.
 

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Chatmaster said:
Hi vtlady

I am afraid it isn't that simple. I believe that eCOGRA is facing some of it's first really difficult decisions and from truely unexpected operators. I am sure that they will make the right decision eventually and I am sure that posts like yours should give them the message that they do not have much of a choice as a wrong decision here will hurt their reputation very badly. However, most operators with their seal is still reliable and trusted so I do not agree with your sentiment with regards to other operators with their seal.

I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' point of view on eCOGRA. I'm still not convinced that they are actually a watchdog with teeth.

As for the quality of other operators that have their seal, I think good and bad operators are completely independent of having a seal to 'prove it'. The fact that the majority of members are MG properties tells me that this isn't an industry-wide group. When all the big software developers get together in empowering a watchdog organization and giving it some measure of autonomy, I'll be far less of a skeptic.
 

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allslots and ecogra.....no more

Well it seems that whilst no official announcement the first action has been taken. Allslots are no longer on the ecogra site and the ecogra seal has been removed from the site....I just wonder what that means for the rest of the JF sitew where similar content was found.....Should the site or the operator lose the seal???

Anyway thanks ecogra for a good start.
 
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