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Earth calling Grand Prive`

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by AussieDave, Mar 14, 2006.

    Mar 14, 2006
  1. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    This concerns a bonus that was not received from CasinoGrandBay for a Deposit made on the 9'th March 2006 (Australian time). After waiting the 24 hours and still no bonus, I contacted support telephonically and was told I didn't qualify. Not to be put off by this I then email them. A further day progresses till a CSR returns a reply stating that I don't qualify for the bonus because I deposited outside of the time frame.

    Under normal circumstances I'd simply let it go at that. But, considering that all their bonus offers (I'm flooded with them) fall outside my time zone and my ability to take up these offers, I thought I'd write back and try to explain my situation and see if they'd reconsider their time frame is relationship to mine, especially in regard to further promo offers.

    A further 24 hours and I may add a somewhat arrogant response, has me retorting a few polite recommendations. I suggested that they (the CSR) escalate this to their promo Dept for consideration. A few hours alter I receive an apology and told that the CSR or the supervisor will contact me in 48 hours or sooner. That was on Saturday 11'th March.

    Today 101 hours later and still no reply as promised, I decide to make contact via live chat.

    After giving the CSR the tracking number of my emails, I'm first asked "what do you mean by tracking number what do those numbers mean? At that point I really had to wonder if I was speaking English. To save my frustration, I go into the story again and the issue, including the CSR's name (btw is Tammy). I'm told I'm not Tammy so I can't answer this, you'll have to speak with Tammy, but she’s not on shift.

    I'm then asked to hold on, thinking (ok wishfully) that this CSR has got a supervisor to look into it. No she's come back and stated that on the 27/05/2005 I sent a WU for $100US but although it was credited to my account, who ever was supposed to pick it up didn't. The CSR then said I owe them $100US. I retort with have you got the MTCN and then go on to say why was I not informed about this matter. It's not like I have not been in contact with support many, many times since. Besides after that date I made further WU deposits.

    They now claim that I owe them $100US, which to be perfectly frank I can't understand how the hell they'd not bring this up or at least have me flagged. Personally I find this pretty hard to swallow, considering that I've never, ever received any notification about it from either GandBay or WU and besides it's fast approaching 12 months ago.

    Talk about frustrating. I am at the stage where I feel like saying to hell with online casinos. It's bad enough having to wonder these days if after you deposit if you win are they going to pay or are they going to pull some BS hoodwink and try to screw you over.

    Considering that Grand Prive` holds eCogra Seals I'd expect far better management from casinos of this calibre. Their CSR's are about as useful as tits on a bull, imo they say what they like only to keep peace and to hopefully persuade you to make further deposits, then don't follow through. I don't know how eCogra rates nor warrants the abilities of a casino to befit using their seal, but in the case of Grand Prive` they really need to get their shit together.

    PS I wanted to add it's not about the bonus anymore, it's about the lack of integrity and the sheer frustration. Why on earth BS customers, this industry is getting so competitive you'd think they'd (Grand Prive`) would at least have the common sense to make sure their CSR's (first line of contact) would generally have their fingers on the pulse.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2006
  2. Mar 15, 2006
  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Timezones

    Many casinos quote a time in "common format", however this is normally geared to "casino time", which is usually Eastern Standard Time for the USA. I have a similar problem with lasseters and ausvegas, where the casino time is based on Australian time, which is some way AHEAD of me, whereas most casinos are 5 hours behind.

    From casino Grand Bay

    For the purpose of all bonus-promotions, dates and times shall be calculated according to Eastern Standard Time (EST) which is (GMT - 5).

    Thus if a promotion gives a close time, it is GMT-5. With you so far ahead you may have deposited too early rather than too late.

    UK Players are excluded from not just bonuses, but all tournaments and competitions through 2 terms. Firstly, only Dollar and Euro accounts can participate in promotions, but another term states that UK players must use pounds. Our country is the only one to suffer this discrimination, so eCogra or not, they are calling me "evil", so I will call them "rogues".
    It would seem that their terms are manipulated in order to freeze certain players out of their promotions, so it is possible that an "awkward" time frame for certain parts of the world is deliberate to restrict the amount of bonuses that Australians can have - they can't get you with the UK Pound term, but can discourage you with the timezones.

    This group have received many complaints related to bonuses and promotions, and are probably left well alone till they change their ways.

    There are many other casinos to play, and Casino Action have recently introduced "eZbonus" in their casinos - got me worried that they had been bought by Grand Privvy, but it turns out that "eZbonus" was developed by Microgaming and not Grand Privvy, and may soon appear in other MG casinos.
     
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  4. Mar 15, 2006
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Trezz, the only way that eCOGRA can get on these guy's backs is if first-hand experiences such as your own are brought to their attention (and I'm talking about the lamentable inefficiency displayed by your exchanges with Support here, too)

    May I therefore recommend that you cut 'n paste the above into an official complaint online at the ecogra.org website?
     
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  6. Mar 15, 2006
  7. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    Hi jetset,

    A few days ago I contacted eCogra not so much about the bonus, more so a standard complaint to let them be aware of the type of unacceptable (to me) customer service (lack of), I expereinced. My theory is if I get treated like this I'm sure other do too. Posts to this forum alone confirm that true.

    After the above incident today I made direct contact with Tex at eCogra. The full chat transcript and a breif synopsis followed.

    I'll keep this thread updated on the outcome.
     
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  8. Mar 15, 2006
  9. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    Just left a phone call between myself & Karin over at Grand Prive`Management. I've also confirmed with WU that the $100US is still floating in cyber space. As Grand Prive` no longer accept WU I've arranged to pick up the $100US myself. In turn I'm sending this back to Grand Prive` as a deposit.

    Karin has said that as soon as they receive this the $100US will be removed from my account and the debt cleared. Karin has stated she's authorised that a $100 bonus will be credited to my account when the debit is cleared.

    I'm sending a requested authorisation to remove the $100 to make up for the debt, but I've also requested an email stating that I'll receive a $100 bonus based on our agreement. As soon as receive this from Karin the $100 debt will be paid.

    Now to contact Tex and inform him of this matter being resolved.

    Thanks guys for your help & support on this. Also thank you Mousey for the Thank you :D
     
  10. Mar 15, 2006
  11. tim5ny

    tim5ny Quit Gambling

    a Western Union is good for quite some time, and if you just give them the MTCN again they can pick it up. Where's the problem with that? You don't owe them another hundred dollars. They just need to pick it up.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2006
  13. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Kudos, Trezz - when you get inefficiency like this at a seal casino it needs to be exposed and go on record in case the directors decide to lower the boom and revoke the seal (long overdue already in my opinion as far as Grand Prive is concerned)

    But I'm glad anyway that after all the buggering around you finally managed to get a modicum of satisfaction from these clowns. It's a forlorn hope, but maybe they have learned something from this incident.
     
  14. Mar 15, 2006
  15. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Tim, that avatar of yours is really cool (I mean hot!) man!
     
  16. Mar 15, 2006
  17. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    Hey Tim, their explaination was that who ever was supposed to collect it over at St Johns on the 27/05/2005 they didn't pick it up. I both informed them telephonically and by email of the MTCN on that date too.

    Personally I agree with you, but if they don't use WU any more what can I do? Besides I really don't want a black mark against my name with MG casinos. I've contact WU and I've now reversed the WU back to me. All I have to now is pick it up.
    Wearing the transfer fee (around $25AU) I wont get back. Plus to get the $100 I have to send via bank wire to Neteller which costs $30AU. Still they're giving me the $100 in bonus money so it's not a total loss.

    I have received the email that confirms to bonus and the agreement I made with Karin from management. So I really can't go back on that now.

    I'm a little surprised at how they changed tune and wanted to get this sorted out quickly. Could it have been the notifaction that I'd let Tex over at eCogra know about this issue, maybe. Whatever helped here, it worked and I'm just happy all the BS is over.
    :D
     
  18. Mar 15, 2006
  19. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    Thanks jet :) I totally agree.

    Excatly and one can only hope, time is a good yard stick.
     
  20. Mar 23, 2006
  21. Moonshadow23

    Moonshadow23 Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    medical management
    Location:
    USA
    Another Grand Prive complaint

    I received a bonus from Casino Grand Bay and called to find out the wagering requirements. I was given an amount, and kept track myself until I reached that amount. When I called back to cash out I was told I hadn't wagered enough and that I needed to wager even more. Being quite upset I contacted a supervisor who told me that actually the initial figure I was given was incorrect and I had OVERWAGERED by several thousands. I went back to the playcheck and backed out this amount to arrive at my account balance at that time. This resulted in what should have been an additional $1100 to my cash out amount. They totally refused to honor this despite the fact that their CSR was the one who game me the incorrect info to begin with. Only Casinomeister was able to resolve this after many weeks disputing it with them. I found that some time last summer they appear to have changed management and it has been down hill on a sled since that time. There is little if no integrity there any longer. The CSR are idiots. They don't value their loyal long time players and don't really deserve anyone's business.
     
  22. Mar 23, 2006
  23. jonevegas

    jonevegas Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Compulsive Gambler
    Location:
    Gods Country Canada
    I have closed all my accounts with them, terrible customer service, don't answer emails, brutal turnaround from what I used to consider an excellent, trustworthy group.:lolup:
     
  24. Mar 25, 2006
  25. daera

    daera Ueber Meister webmeister

    Occupation:
    The Hodgepodge
    Location:
    USA
    Western Union /Grand Prive

    This same thing happened to me with a Western Union payment. But the casino didn't notify me, Western Union did. I thought I was dreaming, since I was asleep when they called. And I answered to hear the lady on the other end tell me that she's from Western Union, and a money transfer I made about a month prior in the amount of $100.00 to St. Johns Antigua was never picked up, and they have a new rule that they will no longer deliver funds to St Johns. Therefore, she gave me the MTCN number and information I needed and advised me to collect my money at the same place I sent it. They mailed me a check for the $15 fee. What a pain that was but it certainly isn't the casino not wanting to pick it up.

    Before I posted this I called Western Union to confirm I had that right. They read the letter she had regarding this change to me. It said that as of January 4th, 2006, Western Union will no longer deliver funds to St John's.

    You can call Western Union and speak to someone from the International part and ask yourself.

    This isn't fair to blame the casino for not just going to get the money. They can no longer do that. Trust me, I wasn't happy when Western Union told me this themselves originally and how I had to go out and recollect it.

    I do know Grand Prive works on the Eastern Standard Time zone and that's pretty well known and stated.

    They do make mistakes, sometimes a lot of mistakes. But I don't see any wrong doing here. <shrug>
     

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