Don't Like BJ at SciFi

[vpwarrior]

Don't play Blackjack at Scifi casino. I play all their games regularly. I think most of their games are fair. However, the BJ is blatently fixed. I've had 3 sessions that just could't have been honest. 10,12, 15 hands in a row for the dealer not busting, getting exactly the right cards, etc. I have played BJ for over 35 years and know the difference between runs of bad luck and downright dishonesty. THEIR BJ GAMES ARE FIXED!

 

[jsp377]

Don't play Blackjack at Scifi casino. I play all their games regularly. I think most of their games are fair. However, the BJ is blatently fixed. I've had 3 sessions that just could't have been honest. 10,12, 15 hands in a row for the dealer not busting, getting exactly the right cards, etc. I have played BJ for over 35 years and know the difference between runs of bad luck and downright dishonesty. THEIR BJ GAMES ARE FIXED!

SIGH...

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[BBKPoker]

Er...

I won $2,000ish playing BJ on there a month back. Admittedly I had to deal with their irritating slots that are extremely slow on autoplay to be able to cash out due to the bonus requirements, and then had to send in some hokey fax form as opposed to just the normal license scan, but this site and the group (including Geisha which is accredited) are certainly legitimate in my opinion.

You of all people should know that when you play 35 years of blackjack a 15 hand losing streak isn't unusual. Assuming BJ is a 50/50 game of BJ (which is generous in the player's favor) losing 15 hands in a row (which I doubt acutally happened, you probably pushed a time or two or won one or two of your hands before busting) would be a 1/32,768 event. Unlikely, but not by any means ridiculous, and your post was certainly libelous and irresponsible.

 

[paul1]

Don't play Blackjack at Scifi casino. I play all their games regularly. I think most of their games are fair. However, the BJ is blatently fixed. I've had 3 sessions that just could't have been honest. 10,12, 15 hands in a row for the dealer not busting, getting exactly the right cards, etc. I have played BJ for over 35 years and know the difference between runs of bad luck and downright dishonesty. THEIR BJ GAMES ARE FIXED!

The votes are in, VPWarrior. You're offbase with this. I'm sorry about your bad luck, but that's all it was, bad luck. RTG has good software, and you should probably consider editing your post title.

 

[elscrabinda]

No complaints with Sci-fi BJ from me

 

[tantalos]

To be honest, I claimed their No-Deposit bonus and met their wager requirements playing strictly BJ. I also made a good withdraw - considering the no-deposit bonus,that is.

Of course, I made a small deposit some days later but lost it all. Being greedy is a nasty thing!

 

[The Dude]

The votes are in, VPWarrior. You're offbase with this. I'm sorry about your bad luck, but that's all it was, bad luck. RTG has good software, and you should probably consider editing your post title.

Done.

 

[vpwarrior]

Sorry, but I stand by my original comments. The first couple of sessions were FB of $3 to $5. Losses of a couple of hundred in less than 1/2 hr. Last session was all $1 bets, just to see. $75 in less than 15 min.
It's not the money. I am not hurtin. It's the idea that a site might not be kosher, or whatever term you use here.
And, NO, in 35 yrs I have never lost 12 to 15 hands in a row. I know about streaks, luck, and variance. But, this was beyond the pale.

 

[BBKPoker]

You've played blackjack for 35 years and never won or lost 12 or 15 consecutive hands?

You must play blackjack one day a year then. I've had both longer winning and losing streaks than that, and I've played for five.

At any rate, your just an obviously frustrated dork, but you have no right to slander a casino. That's an action that deserves at least a temp ban, imo.

 

[liquidsoap]

ok well i dont mean to side but,
i won 50 dollars of a no deposit playing at breakaway sister casino
but ive played scifis black jack and some times i played it doesnt seem all there, i made 6 deposits of 25 dollars, lost them all on blackjack, within 5 minutes playing a dollar a hand, needless to say i dont complain i just dont play there

 

[toofast4u]

Dude, they are all rigged.

Its nothing that it takes a rocket scientist to realize, anyone saying their software is reliable is smoking some pretty good stuff. Too bad they are not sharing, lol.

I just got raped by Bodog casino, seriously after you lose so many hands there becomes a point that the casino is doing something to increase their edge on your particular session. It reminded me why I never gamble online, its for the birds.

it about 200 or so hands, dealer got blackjacks 17 times to my 3, also the dealer had a hard 20 probably 30% of the time. I can get the exact stats but they were skewed terribly in the houses favor. Oh yeah, and I lost every single big bet I made for the entire session. Thats not just bad luck.

 

[toofast4u]

Er...

I won $2,000ish playing BJ on there a month back. Admittedly I had to deal with their irritating slots that are extremely slow on autoplay to be able to cash out due to the bonus requirements, and then had to send in some hokey fax form as opposed to just the normal license scan, but this site and the group (including Geisha which is accredited) are certainly legitimate in my opinion.

You of all people should know that when you play 35 years of blackjack a 15 hand losing streak isn't unusual. Assuming BJ is a 50/50 game of BJ (which is generous in the player's favor) losing 15 hands in a row (which I doubt acutally happened, you probably pushed a time or two or won one or two of your hands before busting) would be a 1/32,768 event. Unlikely, but not by any means ridiculous, and your post was certainly libelous and irresponsible.

a 1/32,768 event is pretty unlikely, however it seems to be commonplace in the online blackjack world. C'mon people, wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[The Dude]

I just got raped by Bodog casino, seriously after you lose so many hands there becomes a point that the casino is doing something to increase their edge on your particular session. It reminded me why I never gamble online, its for the birds.

But you gambled online. WTF?

 

[toofast4u]

yeah, I threw some money down, lost it really quick, over the course of probably 200 hands like I said 17 or so dealer blackjacks to my 3. RTG has always been very cold for the most part and you may get little 'hot' streaks from time to time, but its mostly just one long continuous cold streak. C'mon, how many times in a row can a dealer draw a 5 on a 16 to reach a 21. The only software I ever liked was crypto but even they would send you on killing sprees for 10-12 hands in a row consistently. I am still sold on the 'rigged theory'.

My take on it, the casino is supposed to bring in a certain percentage every day. If its still trying to make its daily quota you will be losing the larger percentage of the hands, if the quota has been met, I would say its more likely to let you win. of course none of us really know this because we don't know the inside scoop on the software, but it is most certainly programmable in some way, and its guranteed to never lead to a loss for the day at the site.

been there done that, maybe I will try in another year, well probably not, lol. The last time I placed a bet online was once in early may of 2005. Today wasn't a good experience and it reminded me what I don't like about playing online.

not really something I want to get back into, I would rather count sand.

Posts just like this one are why I don't gamble online, well, actually anyplace for that matter. Obviously these online places have a heavier house edge than at any land based operation.

 

[johnsteed]

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toofast4u

not really something I want to get back into, I would rather count sand.

Now there's an idea (that would make those who work at 3M Innovations spin their heads)!


You might as well make that counting sand "thing" work to your advantage. Start your own "Guess how many grains of sand are in the jar" Casino. You can't lose and they can't win. And as they say... if you can't beat'em, join'em!!!


If you can just paste on some fake auditing firm's logo on the mainpage, you're in business.


Steed

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[Macgyver]

Dude, they are all rigged.

Its nothing that it takes a rocket scientist to realize, anyone saying their software is reliable is smoking some pretty good stuff. Too bad they are not sharing, lol.

I just got raped by Bodog casino, seriously after you lose so many hands there becomes a point that the casino is doing something to increase their edge on your particular session. It reminded me why I never gamble online, its for the birds.

it about 200 or so hands, dealer got blackjacks 17 times to my 3, also the dealer had a hard 20 probably 30% of the time. I can get the exact stats but they were skewed terribly in the houses favor. Oh yeah, and I lost every single big bet I made for the entire session. Thats not just bad luck.

Once again, the black helicopters take flight to further the consipracy ...

And I agree with Bryan ... if you had such bad luck and swore it off, why'd you go back? Two bad sessions in the space of almost a year doesn't qualify as "rigged". Heck, I've lost my last three deposits in a row recently ... let me jump on that "rigged" bandwagon. x2

 

[toofast4u]

Ok, then how many times does the casino have to fall under that 1/32,000 chance before you start to get suspicious? or should you just hang in there plugging money away like a robot betting on the hope that maybe the next deposit will be when it all turns around, lol!!! hmm, maybe if you deposit another $1000 the last $100 will be lucky and they will pay you back $500 of your own money, haha

Just because someone won one time doesn't mean its a fair game.

Simple problem, simple solution, just don't play there,

This entire industry is riddled with scams, rigged software, shady operators etc. Even the ones people say you can trust a lot of times operate 'outside the norm' when it comes to certain games. Everyone talks about 'that one time in 2002 I won $100' and doesn't mention that every single other session has been a losing one.

 

[funeralparty]

Not a subject I like to get into on here, because it always gets met with great disdain, but i'll put in my two cents..,...

Just my opinion, but anyone who thinks that any online casino deals a fair, truly random game of BJ is either seriously delusional, or doesn't gamble much online. Yet, I continue to play online regularly, and I continue to play online BJ regularly. We are dealing with a computer program here, not random dealt cards in a B&M casino. You can beat online BJ......you just have to outthink the program.

All softwares I have played go into a "kill" mode from time to time. Once the software feels that you are up enough on your deposit, or have a good enough run......it pulls you into its kill mode. You just have to know when this event occurs, and get out while the getting is good. A good few of you here will just shout "variance"..............call it what you will.

Cipher was spot on on many of his ideas.....its quite easy to spot patterns in all the software providers BJ games. Simply recognize them, then exploit them, before the program is "on" to you, and counteracts. Another poster on here (dont remember their name) , made a point about how they would play crazy sometimes (split 10's...and the like)....and they would win most of the time! Probably the program wasn't expecting this....and was gotten the better of.

I still play online even though I feel the BJ is rigged....because, well, its still beatable....you just have to think of it as you against the computer.

And finally, a few general regularities ive noticed over the past 5 years:

Playtech BJ is the worst of the lot....you have to fight and claw to get a winning session. Dealer will ALWAYS pull more BJ's than you....usually to the tune of 3 to every 1 of yours.

RTG....the fairest in my opinion, but when you play the table max, prepare to get slaughtered. If the table max is $500....play $450 hands, you will find to have much better luck.

MG....a pretty fair game when you flatbet at any level. But when you start varying your bets wildly, you may as well just hand the casino your $$$. Start a session playing say $5-$8 bets, and all is well....then jump to $30-$40 in same session and you're screwed...

 

[jsp377]

This is all nonsensical. The idea that the casino would track how everyone is doing in order to meet a minimum take would require such overhead that it boggles the mind. See? Look at my mind boggling. It's been boggled.

Similarly about outthinking the program. I've had a fair amount of experience with RNGs, and there's no way to figure out the pattern from viewing a few hands of blackjack, especially if they reshuffle the deck after every hand. But especially if the casino uses true-random input such as noise from a babbling brook or something.

When people say that the game is beatable, they're either incredibly talented and smart (read Bringing Down The House), or want to make themselves feel smarter than themselves and others. I have an opinion of which side these two fall on.

 

[nafanny29]

If you can just paste on some fake auditing firm's logo on the mainpage, you're in business.


Steed

You mean these accounting firms dont spend tens of thousands of man hours checking the payout figures supplied with a fine tooth comb. Surely not

 

[BBKPoker]

Ok, then how many times does the casino have to fall under that 1/32,000 chance before you start to get suspicious? or should you just hang in there plugging money away like a robot betting on the hope that maybe the next deposit will be when it all turns around, lol!!! hmm, maybe if you deposit another $1000 the last $100 will be lucky and they will pay you back $500 of your own money, haha

I think giving you a mathetmatical answer to your poorly formed hypothetical question probably really won't get you anywhere but hell, I can't resist:

I'd consider a wagering session two standard deviations out of EV to be relatively bad luck (about a 1/20 event).

Three standard deviations out of EV is what I'd quantify as a bad beat (about a 1/400 event).

Four standard deviations out of EV would likely make me not play the site again. I think that I might, maybe, possibly have this happen to me once in my life.

Of course, for all of the above, you could easily swing two or three (and four would the best run in your life) standard deviations in your favor as easily as you could downswing them. You just wouldn't remember.

Saying that all online casinos are rigged is a lazy, dismissive way of 1.) getting around the admittedly tedious method of educating yourself which sites are worthwhile playing. 2.) Jealously discrediting the numerous others who play online casinos profitably whether or not they do so professionally. 3.) Resolving cognitive dissonance of knowing that you were probably not playing optimally which is extremely poor from a financial perspective (but still worth some amount of entertainment value) and not having the objectivity to truly consider whether you are a foolish or problem gambler.

Or to sum it up in one sentence you probably will understand better:

"Do you think Casinomeister would have been around as long as it has been if all casinos were blatantly rigged?" (much less the degree to which online gambling has grown over the last four years).

Here's where you flame in off-topic fashion and prove everything I wrote above about dismissive rationalization true.

Go.

 

[BBKPoker]

Not a subject I like to get into on here, because it always gets met with great disdain, but i'll put in my two cents..,...

Just my opinion, but anyone who thinks that any online casino deals a fair, truly random game of BJ is either seriously delusional, or doesn't gamble much online. Yet, I continue to play online regularly, and I continue to play online BJ regularly. We are dealing with a computer program here, not random dealt cards in a B&M casino. You can beat online BJ......you just have to outthink the program.

All softwares I have played go into a "kill" mode from time to time. Once the software feels that you are up enough on your deposit, or have a good enough run......it pulls you into its kill mode. You just have to know when this event occurs, and get out while the getting is good. A good few of you here will just shout "variance"..............call it what you will.

Cipher was spot on on many of his ideas.....its quite easy to spot patterns in all the software providers BJ games. Simply recognize them, then exploit them, before the program is "on" to you, and counteracts. Another poster on here (dont remember their name) , made a point about how they would play crazy sometimes (split 10's...and the like)....and they would win most of the time! Probably the program wasn't expecting this....and was gotten the better of.

I still play online even though I feel the BJ is rigged....because, well, its still beatable....you just have to think of it as you against the computer.

And finally, a few general regularities ive noticed over the past 5 years:

Playtech BJ is the worst of the lot....you have to fight and claw to get a winning session. Dealer will ALWAYS pull more BJ's than you....usually to the tune of 3 to every 1 of yours.

RTG....the fairest in my opinion, but when you play the table max, prepare to get slaughtered. If the table max is $500....play $450 hands, you will find to have much better luck.

MG....a pretty fair game when you flatbet at any level. But when you start varying your bets wildly, you may as well just hand the casino your $$$. Start a session playing say $5-$8 bets, and all is well....then jump to $30-$40 in same session and you're screwed...

This post is probably more full of gobbeldy-gook and baseless conspiracies than I generally see on an entire page of the complaint forum.

 

[toofast4u]

I think giving you a mathetmatical answer to your poorly formed hypothetical question probably really won't get you anywhere but hell, I can't resist:

I'd consider a wagering session two standard deviations out of EV to be relatively bad luck (about a 1/20 event).

Three standard deviations out of EV is what I'd quantify as a bad beat (about a 1/400 event).

Four standard deviations out of EV would likely make me not play the site again. I think that I might, maybe, possibly have this happen to me once in my life.

Of course, for all of the above, you could easily swing two or three (and four would the best run in your life) standard deviations in your favor as easily as you could downswing them. You just wouldn't remember.

Saying that all online casinos are rigged is a lazy, dismissive way of 1.) getting around the admittedly tedious method of educating yourself which sites are worthwhile playing. 2.) Jealously discrediting the numerous others who play online casinos profitably whether or not they do so professionally. 3.) Resolving cognitive dissonance of knowing that you were probably not playing optimally which is extremely poor from a financial perspective (but still worth some amount of entertainment value) and not having the objectivity to truly consider whether you are a foolish or problem gambler.

Or to sum it up in one sentence you probably will understand better:

"Do you think Casinomeister would have been around as long as it has been if all casinos were blatantly rigged?" (much less the degree to which online gambling has grown over the last four years).

Here's where you flame in off-topic fashion and prove everything I wrote above about dismissive rationalization true.

Go.

Poorly formed?? what am I in english class?? LOL!!!!

All I see there is blah blah blah blah 'you should lose more money' blah blah blah blah 'you should lose more money' blah blah blah. Call it standard deviations , whatever you want. Why should you just let yourself get beat down and then fool yourself into coming back later assuming it was just 'bad luck' and the next session will be better. Because according what you just said eventually the cards will turn around. NOT TRUE.

LOL!!!

If they are not rigged then how do they go forward with beating players 20+ hands in a row left and right when the player is playing perfect basic strategy?? 8 years of playing blackjack in land based casinos, the WORST session I have ever had was losing 13 hands in a row. Runs of 4-5 hands either way is not uncommon, but it amazes me how comming negative runs of 15+ hands are when dealing with a net game. The truth is, one person wins here and there they have a biased opinion. They don't realize that they may be 1 out of 100 or maybe even 1000 people that were able to get ahead that day. There is a reason why an honest brick and mortar game plays 100% better than ANY online game ever has. I have literally played hundreds of thousands of hands online, mostly from 2000-2004, and I have tried every software provider out there. Cryptologic honestly was one of the only software that seemed fair and somewhat consistent. RTG was always wishy washy, some sites would seem to rob you blind yet other sites seemed a little more even. Same with bossmedia casinos. I have had wins both small and large at all 3. Not saying that it was because I was able to have a win, but because the win / loss ratio over the course of hundreds of hands was out of the norm. I could easily post up some hard numbers here, but honestly its a waste of my time.

Anyways, keep thinking positive, maybe that happy go lucky attitude will turn the cards around for ya. But while you are wasting your time with these God forsaken websites I will be out here making real money.

I was merely posting to point out how ludicrous this industry is, and always will be. As long as you have some offshore douchebags running these operations you never really know the inside scoop becaue they have no real authority over them making sure they are legit.

Its a joke, and about as cheezy as a used car sales commercial.

 

[toofast4u]

This is all nonsensical. The idea that the casino would track how everyone is doing in order to meet a minimum take would require such overhead that it boggles the mind. See? Look at my mind boggling. It's been boggled.

Similarly about outthinking the program. I've had a fair amount of experience with RNGs, and there's no way to figure out the pattern from viewing a few hands of blackjack, especially if they reshuffle the deck after every hand. But especially if the casino uses true-random input such as noise from a babbling brook or something.

When people say that the game is beatable, they're either incredibly talented and smart (read Bringing Down The House), or want to make themselves feel smarter than themselves and others. I have an opinion of which side these two fall on.

that wouldn't be difficult at all actually, it could be easly writtien into a program. Player X reaches $ amount, then perform this action for 12 x times.

It has been stated before on here by someone with inside info that the player actually has very little control over the win/loss. The fact that you will bust or the dealer will beat you is already pre-determined the minute you hit that deal button. It would be extremely easy to make the software look fair when audited but be programmed in a way that would methodically beat the player ensuring a big proft. There is a lot of psychology that goes into this and it gets exploited even more so online than in a land based casino.

For a truely fair game, the outcome of the hand should be totally based on luck, and should have nothing to do with the size of the bet, the profit made, the player should be able to only hit or not hit to change the outcome of the hand. Prove to me how that is true online. This entire industry is driven by greed, and you need to keep that in mind. If all someone has to do is create the software with some sort of back end control by the casino you had better bet your ass they will exploit it to increase their bottom line. I would even bet that some of the praise that you see on here is paid for by the casino.

Anyways, I would really like to see someone with some true inside info come forward about certain software providers and operators, but this far I have not seen anything of the sort. Someday it will happen though, and I will be sitting here with a bag of popcorn when it does.

 

[Macgyver]

If they are not rigged then how do they go forward with beating players 20+ hands in a row left and right when the player is playing perfect basic strategy?? 8 years of playing blackjack in land based casinos, the WORST session I have ever had was losing 13 hands in a row. Runs of 4-5 hands either way is not uncommon, but it amazes me how comming negative runs of 15+ hands are when dealing with a net game. The truth is, one person wins here and there they have a biased opinion. They don't realize that they may be 1 out of 100 or maybe even 1000 people that were able to get ahead that day. There is a reason why an honest brick and mortar game plays 100% better than ANY online game ever has. I have literally played hundreds of thousands of hands online, mostly from 2000-2004, and I have tried every software provider out there. Cryptologic honestly was one of the only software that seemed fair and somewhat consistent. RTG was always wishy washy, some sites would seem to rob you blind yet other sites seemed a little more even. Same with bossmedia casinos. I have had wins both small and large at all 3. Not saying that it was because I was able to have a win, but because the win / loss ratio over the course of hundreds of hands was out of the norm. I could easily post up some hard numbers here, but honestly its a waste of my time.

All I see here is blahh blahh blahh "I lost more money than I won" blahh blahhh blahhh "I lost more money than I won". And the truth I see is that your opinion is just as biased as those you complain about.

I've got hard numbers, too ... they're called coming to almost 89-90% of doubling my deposits since I started online gambling almost three years ago. I don't (and didn't) win all the time, nor do I lose all the time.

That's called profit to me.