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Don't Like BJ at SciFi

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by vpwarrior, Feb 12, 2006.

    Feb 12, 2006
  1. vpwarrior

    vpwarrior Dormant account

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    Don't play Blackjack at Scifi casino. I play all their games regularly. I think most of their games are fair. However, the BJ is blatently fixed. I've had 3 sessions that just could't have been honest. 10,12, 15 hands in a row for the dealer not busting, getting exactly the right cards, etc. I have played BJ for over 35 years and know the difference between runs of bad luck and downright dishonesty. THEIR BJ GAMES ARE FIXED!
     
  2. Feb 12, 2006
  3. jsp377

    jsp377 Dormant account

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    SIGH...

     
  4. Feb 12, 2006
  5. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

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    Er...

    I won $2,000ish playing BJ on there a month back. Admittedly I had to deal with their irritating slots that are extremely slow on autoplay to be able to cash out due to the bonus requirements, and then had to send in some hokey fax form as opposed to just the normal license scan, but this site and the group (including Geisha which is accredited) are certainly legitimate in my opinion.

    You of all people should know that when you play 35 years of blackjack a 15 hand losing streak isn't unusual. Assuming BJ is a 50/50 game of BJ (which is generous in the player's favor) losing 15 hands in a row (which I doubt acutally happened, you probably pushed a time or two or won one or two of your hands before busting) would be a 1/32,768 event. Unlikely, but not by any means ridiculous, and your post was certainly libelous and irresponsible.
     
  6. Feb 12, 2006
  7. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account


    The votes are in, VPWarrior. You're offbase with this. I'm sorry about your bad luck, but that's all it was, bad luck. RTG has good software, and you should probably consider editing your post title.
     
  8. Feb 13, 2006
  9. elscrabinda

    elscrabinda Experienced Member PABnorogue PABnoaccred

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    No complaints with Sci-fi BJ from me
     
  10. Feb 14, 2006
  11. tantalos

    tantalos Experienced Member

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    To be honest, I claimed their No-Deposit bonus and met their wager requirements playing strictly BJ. I also made a good withdraw - considering the no-deposit bonus,that is.

    Of course, I made a small deposit some days later but lost it all. Being greedy is a nasty thing! :eek2:
     
  12. Feb 14, 2006
  13. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Done.
     
  14. Feb 14, 2006
  15. vpwarrior

    vpwarrior Dormant account

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    Sorry, but I stand by my original comments. The first couple of sessions were FB of $3 to $5. Losses of a couple of hundred in less than 1/2 hr. Last session was all $1 bets, just to see. $75 in less than 15 min.
    It's not the money. I am not hurtin. It's the idea that a site might not be kosher, or whatever term you use here.
    And, NO, in 35 yrs I have never lost 12 to 15 hands in a row. I know about streaks, luck, and variance. But, this was beyond the pale.
     
  16. Feb 14, 2006
  17. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

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    You've played blackjack for 35 years and never won or lost 12 or 15 consecutive hands?

    You must play blackjack one day a year then. I've had both longer winning and losing streaks than that, and I've played for five.

    At any rate, your just an obviously frustrated dork, but you have no right to slander a casino. That's an action that deserves at least a temp ban, imo.
     
  18. Feb 14, 2006
  19. liquidsoap

    liquidsoap Dormant account

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    ok well i dont mean to side but,
    i won 50 dollars of a no deposit playing at breakaway sister casino
    but ive played scifis black jack and some times i played it doesnt seem all there, i made 6 deposits of 25 dollars, lost them all on blackjack, within 5 minutes playing a dollar a hand, needless to say i dont complain i just dont play there
     
  20. Feb 16, 2006
  21. toofast4u

    toofast4u Dormant account

    Dude, they are all rigged.

    Its nothing that it takes a rocket scientist to realize, anyone saying their software is reliable is smoking some pretty good stuff. Too bad they are not sharing, lol.

    I just got raped by Bodog casino, seriously after you lose so many hands there becomes a point that the casino is doing something to increase their edge on your particular session. It reminded me why I never gamble online, its for the birds.

    it about 200 or so hands, dealer got blackjacks 17 times to my 3, also the dealer had a hard 20 probably 30% of the time. I can get the exact stats but they were skewed terribly in the houses favor. Oh yeah, and I lost every single big bet I made for the entire session. Thats not just bad luck.
     
  22. Feb 16, 2006
  23. toofast4u

    toofast4u Dormant account

    a 1/32,768 event is pretty unlikely, however it seems to be commonplace in the online blackjack world. C'mon people, wake up and smell the coffee.
     
  24. Feb 16, 2006
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    But you gambled online. WTF? :what:
     
  26. Feb 16, 2006
  27. toofast4u

    toofast4u Dormant account

    yeah, I threw some money down, lost it really quick, over the course of probably 200 hands like I said 17 or so dealer blackjacks to my 3. RTG has always been very cold for the most part and you may get little 'hot' streaks from time to time, but its mostly just one long continuous cold streak. C'mon, how many times in a row can a dealer draw a 5 on a 16 to reach a 21. The only software I ever liked was crypto but even they would send you on killing sprees for 10-12 hands in a row consistently. I am still sold on the 'rigged theory'.

    My take on it, the casino is supposed to bring in a certain percentage every day. If its still trying to make its daily quota you will be losing the larger percentage of the hands, if the quota has been met, I would say its more likely to let you win. of course none of us really know this because we don't know the inside scoop on the software, but it is most certainly programmable in some way, and its guranteed to never lead to a loss for the day at the site.

    been there done that, maybe I will try in another year, well probably not, lol. The last time I placed a bet online was once in early may of 2005. Today wasn't a good experience and it reminded me what I don't like about playing online.

    not really something I want to get back into, I would rather count sand.

    Posts just like this one are why I don't gamble online, well, actually anyplace for that matter. Obviously these online places have a heavier house edge than at any land based operation.
     
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  29. johnsteed

    johnsteed Ueber Meister

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    toofast4u




    Now there's an idea (that would make those who work at 3M Innovations spin their heads)!


    You might as well make that counting sand "thing" work to your advantage. Start your own "Guess how many grains of sand are in the jar" Casino. You can't lose and they can't win. And as they say... if you can't beat'em, join'em!!! :thumbsup:


    If you can just paste on some fake auditing firm's logo on the mainpage, you're in business.


    Steed

    ***
     
  30. Feb 16, 2006
  31. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Once again, the black helicopters take flight to further the consipracy ... :rolleyes:

    And I agree with Bryan ... if you had such bad luck and swore it off, why'd you go back? Two bad sessions in the space of almost a year doesn't qualify as "rigged". Heck, I've lost my last three deposits in a row recently ... let me jump on that "rigged" bandwagon. :rolleyes: x2
     
  32. Feb 16, 2006
  33. toofast4u

    toofast4u Dormant account

    Ok, then how many times does the casino have to fall under that 1/32,000 chance before you start to get suspicious? or should you just hang in there plugging money away like a robot betting on the hope that maybe the next deposit will be when it all turns around, lol!!! hmm, maybe if you deposit another $1000 the last $100 will be lucky and they will pay you back $500 of your own money, haha

    Just because someone won one time doesn't mean its a fair game.

    Simple problem, simple solution, just don't play there,

    This entire industry is riddled with scams, rigged software, shady operators etc. Even the ones people say you can trust a lot of times operate 'outside the norm' when it comes to certain games. Everyone talks about 'that one time in 2002 I won $100' and doesn't mention that every single other session has been a losing one.
     
  34. Feb 17, 2006
  35. funeralparty

    funeralparty Dormant account

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    Not a subject I like to get into on here, because it always gets met with great disdain, but i'll put in my two cents..,...

    Just my opinion, but anyone who thinks that any online casino deals a fair, truly random game of BJ is either seriously delusional, or doesn't gamble much online. Yet, I continue to play online regularly, and I continue to play online BJ regularly. We are dealing with a computer program here, not random dealt cards in a B&M casino. You can beat online BJ......you just have to outthink the program.

    All softwares I have played go into a "kill" mode from time to time. Once the software feels that you are up enough on your deposit, or have a good enough run......it pulls you into its kill mode. You just have to know when this event occurs, and get out while the getting is good. A good few of you here will just shout "variance"..............call it what you will.

    Cipher was spot on on many of his ideas.....its quite easy to spot patterns in all the software providers BJ games. Simply recognize them, then exploit them, before the program is "on" to you, and counteracts. Another poster on here (dont remember their name) , made a point about how they would play crazy sometimes (split 10's...and the like)....and they would win most of the time! Probably the program wasn't expecting this....and was gotten the better of.

    I still play online even though I feel the BJ is rigged....because, well, its still beatable....you just have to think of it as you against the computer.

    And finally, a few general regularities ive noticed over the past 5 years:

    Playtech BJ is the worst of the lot....you have to fight and claw to get a winning session. Dealer will ALWAYS pull more BJ's than you....usually to the tune of 3 to every 1 of yours.

    RTG....the fairest in my opinion, but when you play the table max, prepare to get slaughtered. If the table max is $500....play $450 hands, you will find to have much better luck.

    MG....a pretty fair game when you flatbet at any level. But when you start varying your bets wildly, you may as well just hand the casino your $$$. Start a session playing say $5-$8 bets, and all is well....then jump to $30-$40 in same session and you're screwed...
     
  36. Feb 17, 2006
  37. jsp377

    jsp377 Dormant account

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    This is all nonsensical. The idea that the casino would track how everyone is doing in order to meet a minimum take would require such overhead that it boggles the mind. See? Look at my mind boggling. It's been boggled.

    Similarly about outthinking the program. I've had a fair amount of experience with RNGs, and there's no way to figure out the pattern from viewing a few hands of blackjack, especially if they reshuffle the deck after every hand. But especially if the casino uses true-random input such as noise from a babbling brook or something.

    When people say that the game is beatable, they're either incredibly talented and smart (read Bringing Down The House), or want to make themselves feel smarter than themselves and others. I have an opinion of which side these two fall on.
     
  38. Feb 17, 2006
  39. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

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    You mean these accounting firms dont spend tens of thousands of man hours checking the payout figures supplied with a fine tooth comb. Surely not:lolup:
     

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