Does everyone use the bonuses?

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I think maths is out of the question when it comes to gambling, No matter what table your working from it is impossible to work out the real odds,

I think saying that people on here do not know maths is abit rude, If casino know the maths than its about bugger all they do know, I am a prime example of taking bonus and grinding away, It rarely works out, So yes in theory beting big is probably the way to go but also take note that you can bust out real quick,

ALL of it is theoretical anyway Terry. TRTP can't be used in any practical analysis of an Individual's play.

To guarantee the 96-97% TRTP quoted in all these arguments, takes 100's of 1000's of spins, more than the average individual punter is going to make. So there's not much point in trying to work things out from an individual's point of view.

However, from the casino's point of view... They can make fairly accurate calculations for any particular bonus campaign, which CAN be based on the actual TRTP . Because the number of spins from ALL customers, taking that particular bonus, is going to be in the millions.

TRTP would be more accurately defined as Theoretical Return To PlayerS, rather than Theoretical Return To Player
 
With all due respect that is totally misleading just like your other posts. Stop saying that a casino/game operator and the whole industry is living off 3-4% as it is laughable at best. Do you really believe that yourself? Would Wynn and friends be really billionaires? Would this industry be in such a boom over a 3-4% profit margin? :what:

If i deposit 100$ and lose it then the casino made 100 gross profit....They have to pay though the game operator, overheads, tax etc., but it is 100$ gross profit. Period!

I'll try to explain it in a simple way. The one and only way casinos would make only 3-4% is the following:

- deposit 100$, make 100 spins @ 1$, withdraw the balance
- deposit again 100$, make 100 spins @ 1$, withdraw the balance
- ...repeat infinite times with an infinite number of players and it would average out at 96-97%, whatever the RTP for the slot is
- this would be the only way for a casino to be left with whatever edge the RTP is providing
- result would be that all casinos and game operators would go bust in a relatively short period or investors would just lose interest in the industry as you can get a higher ROI on far safer options.

However:

- when you start re-staking the "wins" from the balance after 100 spins that is when the casino is making real profit.
- the RTP is calculated on the total of all wins a slot is giving, including the very small ones which are immediately re-staked.
- we keep re-betting our "wins" until the balance is gone
- hence, even with a high RTP for your session you still lose your deposit because you keep re-betting
- end result: the casino made 100$ profit, even when your RTP was exactly the TRTP.

The real gross profit of a casino is deposits - withdrawals! Nothing else.

I would welcome it if all would stop telling this magic fairy tale that all these so "poor and innocent" casinos live off just 3-4% as it is totally misleading uninformed, inexperienced players into the believe they can deposit 100$, play as long as they like and stand to lose only 3-4$ when they stake the 100$. We all know that it is not true!

He's not saying casinos make 3-4% of deposits/balance . He's saying they make 3-4% of total wagered . As you say , when you play with $100 you will wager a lot more than that $100 . Every time you stake money on a game the casino has an expected gain of 3% of that money staked . The individual result of your spin or your session or even your month are basically irrelevant to a casino . If they have $100 million wagered on their site in a course of a year then they will expect to make 3% of that which is $3 million . They don't need to have taken in $100 million in deposits to make the $3 million .
 
Must be, I mainly use their 40% bonus and no problem using Neteller. Casino Cruise I get a lot of good offers 75% bonus etc but no Neteller it annoys me. lol

i stopped casinocruise because they dont allow doa n few other games. They do send some good offers

Betspin with 40 spins on pig slot and 40% bonus last 2-3 weeks have been quite generous as well
 
The casinos don't offer more bonuses, because unlike people here they actually know math. Those that don't went out of business.

What dunover is failing to see in Slotgrinders table are the important numbers. Average end balance-100 is the actual EV of the bonus. Notice how it goes up at the same time as betsize. Yes the chance of bust goes up, that's the whole point, but also the max end balance goes up. By betting higher you will have fewer cashout but for larger amounts, and you will wager less in the long run turning the bonus into an advantage.

The answer to the original question is: Yes, it is practical to take bonuses for profit, as long as you adjust your betsize upwards. If you take bonuses for increased playtime and keep bets low, they are bad for EV but good for playtime.

This is completely opposite of dunovers initial statment that bonuses are for grinders playing 0.20 bets, that is the worst possible way to play a bonus and if people take his advice as truth it will cost them money.

They don't offer more bonuses to all and sundry because of bonus abusers, simple as that. There are other ways of rewarding your loyal players.
 
Yes Betspin allow Neteller deposits for Bonuses and so does Guts that's why I play there often but not Casino Cruise or Leo Vegas.

Have you checked with Casino Cruise, or are you just going by the bonus T&C?

I emailed them last week about bonuses with Neteller deposits, because the bonus terms attached to their reload bonuses has a clause...

10. Deposits made via Skrill or Neteller are not eligible for the welcome offer.

which shouldn't be in the reload T&C. Because it IS actually just the welcome offer which is excluded, NOT the reloads.

They confirmed this to me by email, and I didn't have any problem taking the reload bonus
 
I have not drank for two weeks and I had no good offers for today in my in box so for as a one off I went looking for a good deposit bonus. I asked cs in casinopop who I have spent a few bob with lately and they said nothing is available but as a one off I will give you our sign up bonus of 200% again.
Playing it now with a glass in hand. Sorted :lolup:
 
Have you checked with Casino Cruise, or are you just going by the bonus T&C?

I emailed them last week about bonuses with Neteller deposits, because the bonus terms attached to their reload bonuses has a clause...

10. Deposits made via Skrill or Neteller are not eligible for the welcome offer.

which shouldn't be in the reload T&C. Because it IS actually just the welcome offer which is excluded, NOT the reloads.

They confirmed this to me by email, and I didn't have any problem taking the reload bonus

I don't know anymore lol there was a discussion about this in another thread where one it said no Neteller or Skrill for any bonuses and other said only welcome offer in their T&c's

I did speak to chat to make sure if I accept bonus (reload) and deposit via Neteller that there would not be a problem.

I just checked out their promotion page Cruise of fortune promotion is not valid for players that deposit via Neteller or Skrill but reload bonus is ok

No wonder I'm confused lol Just have to check each promotion I suppose :)
 
Does anybody know good casino that offers low wagering bonuses?

CasinoLuck & Next casino are, if i remember correctly, 13x D+B . Though the welcome bonus is higer wagering to stop people trying to hit & run, and the welcome bonus itself does not allow you to play DeadorAlive if using it. But if you are a DeadOrAlive fan you are allowed to play it with any normal reload/free spins - although they are set up well in the sense that it will not allow you to spin money off on any game that is written into the terms as restricted while having an active bonus (i have never tested this, just been told it to be true by the CS)
And last but by far not least, make sure you are not self excluded from any other EveryMatrix casino as any withdrawals will be voided and prevoious deposits returned, should you be lucky enough to load the withdrawal page.

35x Bonus is the norm for every other site i take bonuses at, being Thrills&co/Guts&co/AllBritish/MrSmith/Betat(i think)
Hard to find much better WR than x35 from a reputable casino if you desire both Netent & Microgaming slots AFAIK, unless you are benifiting from some sort of VIP status.
 
CasinoLuck & Next casino are, if i remember correctly, 13x D+B . Though the welcome bonus is higer wagering to stop people trying to hit & run, and the welcome bonus itself does not allow you to play DeadorAlive if using it. But if you are a DeadOrAlive fan you are allowed to play it with any normal reload/free spins - although they are set up well in the sense that it will not allow you to spin money off on any game that is written into the terms as restricted while having an active bonus (i have never tested this, just been told it to be true by the CS)
And last but by far not least, make sure you are not self excluded from any other EveryMatrix casino as any withdrawals will be voided and prevoious deposits returned, should you be lucky enough to load the withdrawal page.

35x Bonus is the norm for every other site i take bonuses at, being Thrills&co/Guts&co/AllBritish/MrSmith/Betat(i think)
Hard to find much better WR than x35 from a reputable casino if you desire both Netent & Microgaming slots AFAIK, unless you are benifiting from some sort of VIP status.

I sent a PM to Eric about this a couple of years ago and he told me it would be fine playing there if you were self excluded from Everymatrix.
Thanks for mentioning that as i just looked at the license and its an Everymatrix license and i was thinking of having a dabble.
 
CasinoLuck & Next casino are, if i remember correctly, 13x D+B . Though the welcome bonus is higer wagering to stop people trying to hit & run, and the welcome bonus itself does not allow you to play DeadorAlive if using it. But if you are a DeadOrAlive fan you are allowed to play it with any normal reload/free spins - although they are set up well in the sense that it will not allow you to spin money off on any game that is written into the terms as restricted while having an active bonus (i have never tested this, just been told it to be true by the CS)
And last but by far not least, make sure you are not self excluded from any other EveryMatrix casino as any withdrawals will be voided and prevoious deposits returned, should you be lucky enough to load the withdrawal page.

35x Bonus is the norm for every other site i take bonuses at, being Thrills&co/Guts&co/AllBritish/MrSmith/Betat(i think)
Hard to find much better WR than x35 from a reputable casino if you desire both Netent & Microgaming slots AFAIK, unless you are benifiting from some sort of VIP status.

I will try them.Thanks for info!
 
CasinoLuck & Next casino are, if i remember correctly, 13x D+B .

Be aware though that at Next Casino at least, slots only count for 50% of the wagering and hence in reality it's 26x D+B, or 52x the bonus if you look at it in isolation and is a 100% deposit match bonus!

Chris
 
Be aware though that at Next Casino at least, slots only count for 50% of the wagering and hence in reality it's 26x D+B, or 52x the bonus if you look at it in isolation and is a 100% deposit match bonus!

Chris

That surprised me Chris as Next/CL are my only regular bonus casinos because they have steady and simple terms. Just checked and only some slots count 50%, most do count 100%.

5. For this promotion, not all games contribute the same percentage towards reducing a player's wagering requirement. Wagers made on most games contribute 100%, with the following exceptions: All slot machines and other games with a progressive jackpot contribute 50%. Super Nudge 6000, Jackpot 6000 and Mega Joker classic slots contribute 20%. Table Games, Hi-Lo games and Video Poker games (except Jacks or Better) contribute 10%. All type of Black Jack games, All Roulettes, All Jacks or Better Video Poker, Punto Banco, Baccarat, Oasis Poker, Texas Hold´em, Craps and Casino Hold´em contribute 1%.

6. A few games are not playable with bonus funds. A customer will not be technically able to play these slot machines with bonus funds at all: Scrooge, Devils Delight, Champion of the Track, Robin Hood, Tomb Raider 2, Castle Builder, Pearls of India, The Wish Master, Forsaken Kingdom, Big Bang, Eggomatic, Lucky Angler, Aliens, Blood Suckers, Simsalabim, Eye of the Kraken, Stardust, Peek-a-Boo, Hot Ink and Tower Quest. All games in our Live Casino will also not be playable at all with bonus funds. If you wish to play any of these games, make sure you do not have an active casino bonus.
 
I'm hoping the day will come that i will post something that is both helpful & actually 100% accurate. Thanks for clearing that up guys.

The betspin 40% (min deposit £25) thursdays has been good, whoever mentioned that i agree.
Lately it included 3 days of x10 free spins on When Pigs Fly (ok it's a shit a machine, comes with 25x wagering on the winnings, but 0.50p per spin so in a sense good value - if the peice of crap actually decides to let someone into the bonus round)
 
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Apologies guys. Harry, you are indeed correct, which makes the wagering pretty fair. I must be getting confused with another casino in my old age. There are a few games that you can't play with a bonus that needs to be noted though as in term 6.

Chris
 
Apologies guys. Harry, you are indeed correct, which makes the wagering pretty fair. I must be getting confused with another casino in my old age. There are a few games that you can't play with a bonus that needs to be noted though as in term 6.

Chris

But the good thing about Next (and Casino Luck, the sister site), is that those games aren't just forbidden, you can't 'physically' play them.
If you open one with a bonus in play, the balance just reads as zero. So there's no mistakes to be made.

Some thing the other casino's should do
 
But the good thing about Next (and Casino Luck, the sister site), is that those games aren't just forbidden, you can't 'physically' play them.
If you open one with a bonus in play, the balance just reads as zero. So there's no mistakes to be made.

Some thing the other casino's should do

Yes, good point and begs the question why casinos can't have a similar block to avoid you going over the maximum bet when a bonus is in play or stopping you from opening another account when you've self excluded from that, or another casino within the group.

Chris
 
But the good thing about Next (and Casino Luck, the sister site), is that those games aren't just forbidden, you can't 'physically' play them.
If you open one with a bonus in play, the balance just reads as zero. So there's no mistakes to be made.

Some thing the other casino's should do

Well said Brian, I have said and posted this query a few times on here, surprisingly every one has gone ignored (by reps etc)

Hell if an Everymatrix site can incorporate this system surely the others can :p
 
Well said Brian, I have said and posted this query a few times on here, surprisingly every one has gone ignored (by reps etc)

Hell if an Everymatrix site can incorporate this system surely the others can :p

Yes, but why lose the opportunity to void a players balance by changing it? Oh wait...
 

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