Question Does betsize matter - Yeah I know (Here we go again)

lotusch

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So,any spin is just a reflection of the RNG and for a slot it should not matter at what betsize a feature triggers, right?
Well lately I am playing mainly Netent slots at higher betsizes as they have been pretty good to me on the usual €1.00-€2.00 range.

I play Piggy Riches a lot and on each and every occasion I played this slot I never had to wait more than let's say 250 spins for a feature to trigger.
Was playing this (as my balanced allowed me to) on €3.00 and €6.00 bets hoping for a good feature.
It was seriously scary to see how many times it now started to miss the third scatter and I had gaps of several 100's of spins between the FS triggers which also turned out to pay absolute crap.

So how does this spiel work?

Does betsize matter or is it the usual, you were just unlucky mate.

I am used to 1000 spins without a feature on MGS slots, it's more of a common rule these days but Netent slots hardly ever have spun this long without a FS trigger for me when increasing my betsize.

No tinfoil hatting!!!! Just trying to figure out how convenient it is for a slot to all of a sudden on higher bets miss that elusive third scatter so many times. ^^
 

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So,any spin is just a reflection of the RNG and for a slot it should not matter at what betsize a feature triggers, right?
Well lately I am playing mainly Netent slots at higher betsizes as they have been pretty good to me on the usual €1.00-€2.00 range.

I play Piggy Riches a lot and on each and every occasion I played this slot I never had to wait more than let's say 250 spins for a feature to trigger.
Was playing this (as my balanced allowed me to) on €3.00 and €6.00 bets hoping for a good feature.
It was seriously scary to see how many times it now started to miss the third scatter and I had gaps of several 100's of spins between the FS triggers which also turned out to pay absolute crap.

So how does this spiel work?

Does betsize matter or is it the usual, you were just unlucky mate.

I am used to 1000 spins without a feature on MGS slots, it's more of a common rule these days but Netent slots hardly ever have spun this long without a FS trigger for me when increasing my betsize.

No tinfoil hatting!!!! Just trying to figure out how convenient it is for a slot to all of a sudden on higher bets miss that elusive third scatter so many times. ^^

One thing which occurred to me the other day about this subject, was, what about the Scandinavian players, who play in NOK and SEK ?

Assuming the games just work in 'stake units', so €0.30, $0.30 or £0.30 is basically 0.30 units.
A Scandinavian would be playing at 3 NOK/SEK which is still just over €0.30. But the game would see it as 3 units, which would be the same as betting €3 (3 units).

So they'd always have the problem you're having.


Although that does now raises the question about Scandinavians winning more Netent progressives. Since the game providers reckon the higher the stakes, the better chance of winning a jackpot.
while they're playing at 30 NOK (30 units), we're playing at €3/£3 (3 units) :eek:
 

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One thing which occurred to me the other day about this subject, was, what about the Scandinavian players, who play in NOK and SEK ?

Assuming the games just work in 'stake units', so €0.30, $0.30 or £0.30 is basically 0.30 units.
A Scandinavian would be playing at 3 NOK/SEK which is still just over €0.30. But the game would see it as 3 units, which would be the same as betting €3 (3 units).

So they'd always have the problem you're having.


Although that does now raises the question about Scandinavians winning more Netent progressives. Since the game providers reckon the higher the stakes, the better chance of winning a jackpot.
while they're playing at 30 NOK (30 units), we're playing at €3/£3 (3 units) :eek:

Except for some of us idiots from Sweden, who are playing in USD. No wonder I never win any jackpot :eek2:

What I'm thinking here is that I normally play for instance Piggy Riches on 15-30cents, which makes a bet of 1.50 or 2 extremly high, so if I use that size would the same thing happen to me then as it did to lotush playing 3-6 instead of 1.50-2?

In my world size doesn't matter:p
 

slotter999

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We need shotcaller to give us a balanced assessment of this :eek:

It's coming....I can feel it :)

I have my theories about this and I remain convinced some games play differently at higher stakes.

It is both plausible and entirely legal that the volatility could increase based on stake whilst still maintaining a consistent RTP. And of course a provider wouldn't be obliged to tell anyone if that was the case.
 

chris87

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It's coming....I can feel it :)

I have my theories about this and I remain convinced some games play differently at higher stakes.

It is both plausible and entirely legal that the volatility could increase based on stake whilst still maintaining a consistent RTP. And of course a provider wouldn't be obliged to tell anyone if that was the case.

The same in my experience too. I saw it said on a similar thread that if you're due to hit a feature, you'll hit it if your stake is £0.01 or £100.00 and the outcome in terms of x times stake will be the same, but I just can't see it. I haven't seen many threads which show a big win on a feature with a high stake. I usually find that my feature outcome is a lot less times stake on higher bet sizes!

Chris
 

dbl88

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One thing which occurred to me the other day about this subject, was, what about the Scandinavian players, who play in NOK and SEK ?

Assuming the games just work in 'stake units', so €0.30, $0.30 or £0.30 is basically 0.30 units.
A Scandinavian would be playing at 3 NOK/SEK which is still just over €0.30. But the game would see it as 3 units, which would be the same as betting €3 (3 units).

So they'd always have the problem you're having.


Although that does now raises the question about Scandinavians winning more Netent progressives. Since the game providers reckon the higher the stakes, the better chance of winning a jackpot.
while they're playing at 30 NOK (30 units), we're playing at €3/£3 (3 units) :eek:


That theory would answer why i didnt win anything on slots my first 3 years of playing. hahaha playing low limits never above 3SEK
 

trancemonkey

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It's coming....I can feel it :)

I have my theories about this and I remain convinced some games play differently at higher stakes.

It is both plausible and entirely legal that the volatility could increase based on stake whilst still maintaining a consistent RTP. And of course a provider wouldn't be obliged to tell anyone if that was the case.

Correct - it is plausible and legal, although obviously much more costly to develop and test...
There are some games that do it that i know of, but mostly older ones. I'm not aware of any recent ones, but that doesn't mean it can't and doesn't happen.
I would still be pretty adamant that bet size doesn't make any difference though - and even if it did, you would make the game less volatile at higher bets, not more volatile :)
 

TheAddict

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The same in my experience too. I saw it said on a similar thread that if you're due to hit a feature, you'll hit it if your stake is £0.01 or £100.00 and the outcome in terms of x times stake will be the same, but I just can't see it. i haven't seen many threads which show a big win on a feature with a high stake. I usually find that my feature outcome is a lot less times stake on higher bet sizes!

Chris

I would think that unless the high stakes player has money to burn, literally, then if on a bad run they spin for less amount of times than the low stake player before reaching an amount they are uncomfortable with losing and therefore stopping the session sooner. Compared to the low stake player who could grind out a lot more spins increasing the chance of a huge hit, before heading towards losing in that session what he/she might consider an seriously uncomfortable amount to lose if having a bad run.
Although its relative to a degree, many low stake players losing £100 at 10p spins could still go on and redeposit straight after without fear of losing his house, caravan, or sleeping bag. while financially for some high rollers losing £10,000 at £10 a spin is eventually heading towards serious financial depletion if he does it on a regular basis, especially chasing with redeposits, and would be aware of the financial consequences it could soon have when it all adds up, if doing so.

I guess, if you combine that with the fact that more players (i assume) generally lean towards the lower stake bets than the higher end stakes, then you would naturally only see a few big winning screenshots on high stakes slipped inbetween endless big winning screenshots on lower stakes.
Im ceartinly not arguing the difference in pays depending on bet size though, as i obviously wouldn't know. But I don't mind setting up a go fund me account for it if people want to see some stats.
 

TheAddict

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One thing which occurred to me the other day about this subject, was, what about the Scandinavian players, who play in NOK and SEK ?

Assuming the games just work in 'stake units', so €0.30, $0.30 or £0.30 is basically 0.30 units.
A Scandinavian would be playing at 3 NOK/SEK which is still just over €0.30. But the game would see it as 3 units, which would be the same as betting €3 (3 units).

So they'd always have the problem you're having.


Although that does now raises the question about Scandinavians winning more Netent progressives. Since the game providers reckon the higher the stakes, the better chance of winning a jackpot.
while they're playing at 30 NOK (30 units), we're playing at €3/£3 (3 units) :eek:


I find that a rather interesting observation. It made me think of a common term at casinos "players who live in the uk but do not select gbp as currency will have all bets void/account closed"
 
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