Does anyone actually win playing large bets?

Lord_Have_Mercy

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At Playtech Blackjack? I just don't believe the streaks this thing has. If I stand, I shoulda hit. If I hit, I shoulda stand. If I hit my way to 20 and 21 the dealer's has a face with an ace in the hole. The Dealer manages to get too many BJ. I might get one every blue moon. And that's playing 2 hands. If I switch to 3 hands, it's even worse. I mean Jesus Christ how can this be? I have officially quit "ALL" Playtech casinos. They have gotten my last red cent.
 
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Lord_Have_Mercy said:
At Playtech Blackjack? I just don't believe the streaks this thing has. If I stand, I shoulda hit. If I hit, I shoulda stand. If I hit my way to 20 and 21 the dealer's has a face with an ace in the hole. The Dealer manages to get too many BJ. I might get one every blue moon. And that's playing 2 hands. If I switch to 3 hands, it's even worse. I mean Jesus Christ how can this be? I have officially quit "ALL" Playtech casinos. They have gotten my last red cent.


ive done pretty well at microgaming blackjack, at 32 red and vegas splendido is where i do the best, as for playtech blackjack this is one of the many reasons why i dont play playtech casinos
 

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I ve had normal results playing 100-500 per hand at VIP Casino.
The software played as normal. Nothing strange.
 

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ive done pretty well at microgaming blackjack, at 32 red and vegas splendido is where i do the best, as for playtech blackjack this is one of the many reasons why i dont play playtech casinos

Well liquidsoap, I'm glad one of us is doing well at 32Red BJ, because it certainly isn't me. In fact, I HATE 32Red BJ :mad: , because it's usually been the overweight ancor that's been sinkin' the ship ALL too often for me. Last week saw me playing my last hand of BJ at 32Red, and I have promised myself to NEVER touch it again (although I do love 32Red :thumbsup: ).

Looking at my own playbook here, it says that when I increase my bets from the $2-4 range, up to the $10-20 range, I can always expect to get chopped-up and boiled. Why is that? It's just the way it is. :(

When I play (IF) MG BJ, I refuse to bet anything more than $6 now while generally alternating between $2-4 (raising it to $6 on a gutt feeling). Also, I try to keep my games short. Why? Well, it's tough having to consistently deposit $100 to play BJ, then after playing 10-15 minutes at hands of $2-4, to be down by 30-40 units (down to your last $20), and THEN start getting better hands (and having to play all day long just to [MAYBE] break even). I found that this was happening far too often.

So now, between sessions of slots and VP, I'll allow myself to play BJ until I'm up by 5 units, or down by 5 units (from my original credit). I'm having more fun with that, and for what it's worth, I've been getting better results. :cool:

As far as PlayTech BJ, it used to be so much better a couple of years ago (before their upgrade). I REALLY miss those days. :(

I know some others do well at BJ (and I certainly used to), but personally, I find that live dealers w/other players is the best way to go (at most online casinos). It's slow as hell, but it seems to be more forgiving to me. :thumbsup:
 

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johnsteed said:
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Well liquidsoap, I'm glad one of us is doing well at 32Red BJ, because it certainly isn't me. In fact, I HATE 32Red BJ :mad: , because it's usually been the overweight ancor that's been sinkin' the ship ALL too often for me. Last week saw me playing my last hand of BJ at 32Red, and I have promised myself to NEVER touch it again (although I do love 32Red :thumbsup: ).

Looking at my own playbook here, it says that when I increase my bets from the $2-4 range, up to the $10-20 range, I can always expect to get chopped-up and boiled. Why is that? It's just the way it is. :(

When I play (IF) MG BJ, I refuse to bet anything more than $6 now while generally alternating between $2-4 (raising it to $6 on a gutt feeling). Also, I try to keep my games short. Why? Well, it's tough having to consistently deposit $100 to play BJ, then after playing 10-15 minutes at hands of $2-4, to be down by 30-40 units (down to your last $20), and THEN start getting better hands (and having to play all day long just to [MAYBE] break even). I found that this was happening far too often.

i am sorry to here that, i go in spurts, i have had some nasty loses at 32 red but i have also have some nice wins i play 2 handed and start at 4 dollars once i double my stake i double my bet, and made it all they way to 40 dollars a bet, with losing a hand once every so often, i have a screen shot attached of one of my good runs
 

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for big bets, i find MG the worse, the cards definetly dont have a random feel to them when you put a large stake on the table, especially if its an increased stake.

regarding playtech BJ, ive only ever once had a proper real session of playing it. that was at carnival i think. i was given a 100 bonus on a 20 deposit.

my first 10 hands at 2 each all lost, so i thought F*** it, if its going to rip me i might aswell let it rip me now, so i put the remaining 100 on one hand it then won!

i then took my stakes back down, then started getting bad results again, won something like 3 wins out of 15. i got frustated and threw the whole lot on one hand again, and again it won! and i got BJ this time.

then i reduced my stake again and started get bad results again.

not wanting to risk the all or nothing approach for a third time, i went and ground out the WR on other games.

so despite walking away with about 400 on a 20 deposit, i have never trusted playtech BJ because my session had about 6 wins in 40 hands, i was just fortunate that 2 of those wins occured when i had my whole bankroll on the table.
 

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I've done quite well

I mostly play playtech, and have played a significant number of hands at 100-300/hand (mostly 100). I've actually had really good luck there.

On the other hand, the best I ever did at a Microgaming casino was to break even.

This is why anecdotal evidence is worthless.
 

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I just don't believe playtech BJ let's you win lots of hands. This software just isn't written to do it IMHO. I have had luck with RTG and MG. But Playtech no way with BJ. I just can't seem to do anything right by it.
 

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I would agree with you, I recently also just can't win on bigger bets on Playtech. I have had one 15 winning hands one after each other on $300 (table max), so walked away with a nice profit, and had a one other much lower run, but generally I have seen recently its more unlikely to win, but MG seems quite fair. A new one to me, the Grand Virtual casinos, also seem resonably fair, the table limits (on BJ) are $150 (that I know of, which is quite low) but seem to be fair. I think I would put the Boss software together with the playtech software!
 

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Funny,
There are at least 3 current forum posters who bet over 1000 per hand at blackjack and have had some huge wins and losses. Those would be at RTG casinos
 

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I like the card games at rtg the best. They really do seem random.
I was so mad yesterdayI lost a royal because I took a pair of tens and between what I tossed and what came up I would have had the royal. It was time to log off then,lol

I have done well on cards in rtg though compared to anywhere else.

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I routinely play 3 hands, and depending on my bankroll and my mood, I bet $25-$150 per hand. I have had big wins and big losses, and have found it to be very streaky, but have never felt that the size of my bet was an influencing factor. I've lost with small bets, and won with big bets. Last week I was betting $150 per hand (the most I ever bet), and I went on a a run where I just couldn't lose. In a couple of hours, I turned $2500 into $11,500. I've given quite a bit of that back recently (about $4000), but it comes and goes. At one point I was up about $20,000 since early November, but I'm down to about $15,000 now. I'll probably give it a few more shots, then lay low for a while and still come out nicely ahead.
 
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Lord_Have_Mercy

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If I stand, I shoulda hit. If I hit, I shoulda stand. If I hit my way to 20 and 21 the dealer's has a face with an ace in the hole. The Dealer manages to get too many BJ. I might get one every blue moon. And that's playing 2 hands.

Have anyone experience this??? I receive 3 Manager Bonuses today. And I can't win SHIT!!!! Nothing, I have been playing BJ for 13 yrs now and can't get NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!
 

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At Playtech Blackjack? I just don't believe the streaks this thing has. If I stand, I shoulda hit. If I hit, I shoulda stand. If I hit my way to 20 and 21 the dealer's has a face with an ace in the hole. The Dealer manages to get too many BJ. I might get one every blue moon. And that's playing 2 hands. If I switch to 3 hands, it's even worse. I mean Jesus Christ how can this be? I have officially quit "ALL" Playtech casinos. They have gotten my last red cent.
I posted a screenshot in the winning screenshots thread of a $1020 win on a hand of BJ. This occurred at CasinoUSA -- a Playtech casino.

I've lost ~3/4 of $300+ bets at Playtech casinos. I've made ~8 bets.

I've lost ~1/3 of $200+ bets at MG casinos. I've made ~20 bets. Most losses were with the Vegas Partners group. I've have lost 12/12 half+ bankroll bets with the downloaded SW using this group. I've had different results with the Flash SW.

I've lost 100% of $50+ bets at RTG casinos. I've old made 3 bets at $50-75, as I do not trust this SW.

I've lost 100% of $50+ bets at Cryptologic casinos. I've made 2 bets. I was on a losing streak where I simutaneously lost ~90% of hands at UKBetting and TotalBet casinos. I got in a series of betting double each time to win my money back. I lost ~GBP100 by losing 7 sequential hands at UKBetting. I won't do that again.
 

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Personal experience.

Dont even try Playtech BJ. BJ Switch is even worse. As for Crypto, they are far too streaky for my liking. It's common to lose 8-9 hands in a row.
 

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I've lost 100% of $50+ bets at RTG casinos. I've old made 3 bets at $50-75, as I do not trust this SW.

Not to encourage you to keep betting big at RTG's BJ; but I've won my fair share of hands in the $50-$300 range at RTG casinos...of course I've lost my fair share too, but not enough to make me wonder if it's a fair game when you raise the stakes.
 

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At Playtech Blackjack? I just don't believe the streaks this thing has. If I stand, I shoulda hit. If I hit, I shoulda stand. If I hit my way to 20 and 21 the dealer's has a face with an ace in the hole. The Dealer manages to get too many BJ. I might get one every blue moon. And that's playing 2 hands. If I switch to 3 hands, it's even worse. I mean Jesus Christ how can this be? I have officially quit "ALL" Playtech casinos. They have gotten my last red cent.
I have had the exact experience with playtech casinos, they are just tooo lucky. Im 57 and have played many years in LV & AC and have a feel for how things should go in the long run. Playtech is definatelly not dealing a fair game.
Garry
 

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Very rare.

It is rare that I have placed a big bet and had it coupled with the luck required to generate the big win.
My biggest EVER win was from a medium bet at Jacks or Better 4-line VP in a wager tournament at Phoenician, where a pat RF just dropped in for tea at 2am!!!!! The shock nearly cost me the tournament as I was unable to ascertain whether I was actually still awake and playing or had fallen asleep and dreamt I had resumed my session! the 20 bet produced 16,000, which is when I found out about a 10K per week limit and lost more of the other 6K than was ideal.
For truly big bets, the best two results were also at VP of the 50-line variety, this was Aces and Faces, at one time I bet the max of 125 and drew a pat 4 ACES!! The other big wins have all been due to drawing 4 to a RF and hitting the RF on far more of the other 50 hands than chance would dictate. 5 hits on one and 3 and 4 on others. Occasionally, I have been gravely let down with 3 deuces at big bets and not a single 4 deuces on the 50 line DW, also a few 4 to a royal not producing a single RF in 50 lines.
A straight flush in a fantastic session of big bets of 3 card poker which netted 20K in one night (5K for the straight flush), was a GROSS MISREPRESENTATION of the game. I have NEVER seen a session like it since for me as a PLAYER, but the damn DEALER seems to get such runs all too frequently (which explains what became of the 20K:mad: :mad: :mad: ). I no longer bet big at 3 card poker, except in fun mode (I don't trust it any more).

I am now of the opinion that MG punishes big bets more than small bets. All my big slot wins in terms of payout to stake have been at modest bets, and the bigger bets seem to produce a lot of dud bonus rounds even though they come along just as frequently as for smaller bets.

In terms of ratio, my best was 4000+ for a 2.70 spin on Spring Break, the result of a generally crappy bonus round that retriggered with all 5 scatters!
 

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I was told recently by someone who did some investigating into online casinos' RNG makeup and he obtained inside info that the online casinos now employ Artificial Intelligence into their rng's to determine your style of play. So not only do casinos have the regular house advantage on their side but employed with A.I. knowing your wagering pattern, they can up their advantage much further and still be certified "random" and fair. This is murder for all sizes of accounts but especially so for small balances.
 

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Not random then.

I was told recently by someone who did some investigating into online casinos' RNG makeup and he obtained inside info that the online casinos now employ Artificial Intelligence into their rng's to determine your style of play. So not only do casinos have the regular house advantage on their side but employed with A.I. knowing your wagering pattern, they can up their advantage much further and still be certified "random" and fair. This is murder for all sizes of accounts but especially so for small balances.

There is a technical term for this, CHEATING. Using information about past play patterns in computing the result renders the outcome non-random. Any actual proof of this would kill the software company involved, and seriously damage others. On the other hand, like UK Fruit machines, employing predictability of any kind makes the casino software open to manipulation, and further makes it very hard for the casino to prove the manipulation without admitting it's own cheating!

Two brands have now been caught "cheating", but have explained the errors as bugs, and damage has been limited. If any proof arose that any cheating was put into action deliberately, then there would be serious trouble.

Current methods of audit are not enough, and statistics can be argued with by using more statistics. Without access to the software, the only way to prove cheating is by using a balance of probability test with enough statistical data.
Many long time players probably have enough play history at casinos to provide a big enough sample, but just try getting that data out in a form you can use! Damn near impossible, it's for you to look at for a couple of disputed games, not for running your own analyses on.
If a casino really wants to gain trust, allow players the option to download their play history as Excel of CSV tabular output, just like my bank and credit card companies let me do with years worth of transactions.
 

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There is a technical term for this, CHEATING. Using information about past play patterns in computing the result renders the outcome non-random.....

Some time ago I suggested an industry change to 3rd party card-dealing for online casinos. With online gambling, YOU CAN'T SEE THE CARDS. Of course, there are no actual "cards" being dealt but the online casino holds (hides) everything behind the computer screen. At least in real physical casinos you can see the cards being shuffled and drawn from the shoe and therefore can see that no cards are being switched or manipulated in response to your bet. (I know, I know...some brick-and-mortar casinos cheat too but it's not that often). With a neutral 3rd-party with no conflict-of-interest ties to any casinos should help maintain a more honest game.

In any case, there is a need to TAKE THE CARD-DEALING OUT OF THE ONLINE CASINO'S CONTROL TO ENSURE A FAIR, RANDOM AND HONEST GAME AND ADDRESS THE CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST INHERENT in the way card games are conducted presently.
 

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I was told recently by someone who did some investigating into online casinos' RNG makeup and he obtained inside info that the online casinos now employ Artificial Intelligence into their rng's to determine your style of play. So not only do casinos have the regular house advantage on their side but employed with A.I. knowing your wagering pattern, they can up their advantage much further and still be certified "random" and fair. This is murder for all sizes of accounts but especially so for small balances.


What a load of twaddle!

If the software providers got their programmers to write the software so that it reacted in a certain predictable way to a particular betting pattern, then it is certain that the said programmers would use this knowledge to take the casinos down themselves or through proxys.

The casinos make money through random number generation on games with a house edge, they do not need to cheat to make large amounts of money!

The day that they make the games non random, ie predictable, is the day they will be taken to the cleaners.

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What a load of twaddle! If the software providers got their programmers to write the software so that it reacted in a certain predictable way to a particular betting pattern, then it is certain that the said programmers would use this knowledge to take the casinos down themselves or through proxys.

What makes programmers any more altruistic than the casinos themselves??? They are not going to sabotage their jobs. They can get sued for violating non-disclosure agreements.

The casinos make money through random number generation on games with a house edge, they do not need to cheat to make large amounts of money!

I agree they don't need to cheat....buuuuut they do! If they can get away with it, they will do it. All that is needed is a certified review saying they are random which is possible and still cheat with articial intelligence.

The day that they make the games non random, ie predictable, is the day they will be taken to the cleaners.

Mitch

The use of articial intelligence does NOT effect the randomness of drawn cards. If effects the randomness of whether you win or lose your hand.

If you tend to use a martingale progression, you will get plenty of long losing streaks. If you tend to up your wagers after you win a hand, you will get more win-and-done's where your lone wins are couched between losing streaks.

It's when YOU are "random" with your style....like sometimes betting with Basic Strategy and sometimes not, or no perceivable pattern to your bet amount......that the A.I. has problems...so you will see more of hands where the dealer will win regardless whether you stand or hit.

In other words, when it feels like the casino software "adjusts" to your style of play, chances are you are not playing with a plain old rng but one with A.I. Not just meeting up with variation.
 

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