DoA Advantage Play Explained

[Gina Wild]

I have invented a system for Do A, which is idiot proof!

I usually deposit 100 euros , bet 0.27 and play till I bust.

Works every time !!

 

[chrisigissi]

wuhu, that was my secret way to loose

I have invented a system for Do A, which is idiot proof!

I usually deposit 100 euros , bet 0.27 and play till I bust.

Works every time !!

shxxtty I thought that´s only my secret to play doa and loose ...

 

[asm]

I'm NOT saying that you could choose to press spin at the EXACT time.
I'm say that if you did happen to, then the random number would most likely be the same number whatever you stake happened to be. since they use a pseudo RNG, rather than a true RNG

Of course, but that's impossible. That is what I am saying.

 

[catapultaudio]

Of course, but that's impossible. That is what I am saying.

The fact its impossible to trigger two games at once to generate the same number is irrelevant, the point being made is that it doesnt matter what bet size you have selected, the RNG will return the same number.

As a software developer myself I can tell you that the "microsecond" value is almost always used to "seed" the random number generator, the microsecond is a value between one and a million, and the number is refreshed a million times every second. So obviously it would be completely impossible to attempt to choose a specific microsecond to place your bet as the latency of the internet would stop any attempt at choosing a specific number, but even if you could, the microsecond is used only as a random value with which to initialize the RNG, it doesn't directly determine the outcome.

And spintee... only the cheapest online casinos on the web are going to go bust because one player wins 300k - if your playing at places you suspect thats the case, I suggest you move on sharpish!

 

[asm]

The fact its impossible to trigger two games at once to generate the same number is irrelevant, the point being made is that it doesnt matter what bet size you have selected, the RNG will return the same number.

As a software developer myself I can tell you that the "microsecond" value is almost always used to "seed" the random number generator, the microsecond is a value between one and a million, and the number is refreshed a million times every second. So obviously it would be completely impossible to attempt to choose a specific microsecond to place your bet as the latency of the internet would stop any attempt at choosing a specific number, but even if you could, the microsecond is used only as a random value with which to initialize the RNG, it doesn't directly determine the outcome.

And spintee... only the cheapest online casinos on the web are going to go bust because one player wins 300k - if your playing at places you suspect thats the case, I suggest you move on sharpish!

Now you're pretty much arguing just for the sake of arguing. I wonder was it to be a contrarian or to get some technical jargon out.

By the way, I didn't suggest triggering two games at once.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

I believe all presses have there own RGN, If you was at £1p a spin & went to £20 it would be a different out come, I have tried and tested, NO WAY I can prove it but does make sense to keep the RTP on a steady basis,,

I got nearly 3k of a 30p bet, if I was playing £30 a spin do you reckon it would of drooped 300k that would wipe most casino's out?

Only reason I say is I always have 100 - 500 times bet on small roll, If I was big rolling than would of took casinos out, I have been well over 10 deposit and 400 - 400 in bank roll, You times my deposit x 10 and pay out than a few players could wipe a casino

You are correct in this. And I think most slots works this way. Since I lately started to "high roll" a bit with £3-£12 spins I have noticed much more frequent wins (strangely) but also lot lower (x times bet) despite more often. I have had lots of crazy wins at both sky vegas and paddy power. Where before if I made deposits of usual £30-£50 and made 0.20 up to £1 then most times not lot of wins compared to higher bets now. But my winnings would be bigger x my bet so I would maybe get some wins which was bigger in terms of bet size if this makes sense. But more often my bank roll would bust.

Sounds crazy but since I changed to more aggressive playing style at sky vegas I have actually easy made my bankroll into 3x-5x so deposit of £300 would then be over £1000. Not sure what that is but from my investigating seems RTP is higher on higher bets. So you get more often wins but they will mainly be under 200x. Where if you make your 0.20-1.00 bets then more change of getting over 500x bet or at least pick up great big win.

I am not at all saying that way I am doing is the way forward because YES it is more risky and YES there is no sure way to beat the casino. But back to what you stated is I agree I think each different bet size picks out the random number. so we have a whole different set of numbers for each bet size. anything else would not make sense.

But then again we are talking with the total RTP of a slot and maybe it does not matter about bet size who knows. But I do believe like you say it would be surprising to see someone get a 10.000x bet on a stake of over £100. I would like to see that

PS in regards to my post : Sorry really tired and exhausted tonight so gramma and way I have put my post together is not really any good. I will try get back later in week and try explain what I am actually meaning hehe.

 

[onkel]

You are correct in this. And I think most slots works this way. Since I lately started to "high roll" a bit with £3-£12 spins I have noticed much more frequent wins (strangely) but also lot lower (x times bet) despite more often. I have had lots of crazy wins at both sky vegas and paddy power. Where before if I made deposits of usual £30-£50 and made 0.20 up to £1 then most times not lot of wins compared to higher bets now. But my winnings would be bigger x my bet so I would maybe get some wins which was bigger in terms of bet size if this makes sense. But more often my bank roll would bust.

Sounds crazy but since I changed to more aggressive playing style at sky vegas I have actually easy made my bankroll into 3x-5x so deposit of £300 would then be over £1000. Not sure what that is but from my investigating seems RTP is higher on higher bets. So you get more often wins but they will mainly be under 200x. Where if you make your 0.20-1.00 bets then more change of getting over 500x bet or at least pick up great big win.

I am not at all saying that way I am doing is the way forward because YES it is more risky and YES there is no sure way to beat the casino. But back to what you stated is I agree I think each different bet size picks out the random number. so we have a whole different set of numbers for each bet size. anything else would not make sense.

But then again we are talking with the total RTP of a slot and maybe it does not matter about bet size who knows. But I do believe like you say it would be surprising to see someone get a 10.000x bet on a stake of over £100. I would like to see that

PS in regards to my post : Sorry really tired and exhausted tonight so gramma and way I have put my post together is not really any good. I will try get back later in week and try explain what I am actually meaning hehe.

Bet size does not matter! The RNG nor slot do not give a sh*t whether you bet €0.10 or €400 per spin - the stake played has no effect what so ever on where the reels will stop or wins given out (in terms of x stake). It seems even the most experienced gamblers believe in finding / in having found patterns when there are none.

 

[Stovetopp]

Bet size does not matter! The RNG nor slot do not give a sh*t whether you bet €0.10 or €400 per spin - the stake played has no effect what so ever on where the reels will stop or wins given out (in terms of x stake). It seems even the most experienced gamblers believe in finding / having found patterns when there are none.

You are correct that the machine does not know what bet size is However, its not too difficult form the casino mgmt to easily know what bet size is and act accoedingly. There is such a thing as "software"
Really , not sdubscribing to OP's theory but just saying
my 2 cwnts

 

[onkel]

You are correct that the machine does not know what bet size is However, its not too difficult form the casino mgmt to easily know what bet size is and act accoedingly. There is such a thing as "software"
Really , not sdubscribing to OP's theory but just saying
my 2 cwnts

Yes, but that would assume something illegal going on, which I don't think (particularly) Netent would resort to, as they're printing money already as is - and they've not even touched the US market yet.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Bet size does not matter! The RNG nor slot do not give a sh*t whether you bet €0.10 or €400 per spin - the stake played has no effect what so ever on where the reels will stop or wins given out (in terms of x stake). It seems even the most experienced gamblers believe in finding / in having found patterns when there are none.

I don't believe in that. But if you can post proof of this statement then I would like to see it I have seen it several times. Down to last pence or cents. Change to Great Blue (playtech) and play 1 line only bet 2 cent. And won one of highest win £20. Tell me that spin if had been doing all lines and £25 spin that it would have happened?? Seen that happen again and again also on thunderstruck 1.

I think it is more complex than so. And it is also different from software providers and slots. I am not talking in a whole term that matches every single slot and or software providers.

I do hold onto that there are different batches of series and numbers so it is different depending on what bet size we are doing on a slot. I am surprised no one in the industry has actually come out with this. (if there is then sorry please give me a link)

What is mainly about this stream from OP is finding advantage on this slot and find patterns and I agree in this NO there is no way to get advantage of any slots apart from Vinylmans fruity slots

 

[onkel]

I don't believe in that. But if you can post proof of this statement then I would like to see it I have seen it several times. Down to last pence or cents. Change to Great Blue (playtech) and play 1 line only bet 2 cent. And won one of highest win £20. Tell me that spin if had been doing all lines and £25 spin that it would have happened?? Seen that happen again and again also on thunderstruck 1.

I think it is more complex than so. And it is also different from software providers and slots. I am not talking in a whole term that matches every single slot and or software providers.

What is mainly about this stream from OP is finding advantage on this slot and find patterns and I agree in this NO there is no way to get advantage of any slots apart from Vinylmans fruity slots

If we're talking Netent, Playtech and MGS, we're talking billion dollar companies. If a different bet size would more frequently trigger a particular outcome (in terms of x stake), then they'd be offering crooked slots and be in violation of their license terms (and they'd also fail the RNG tests).

What type of statement do you want - that these companies aren't acting illegal?

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

If we're talking Netent, Playtech and MGS, we're talking billion dollar companies. If a different bet size would more frequently trigger a particular outcome (in terms of x stake), then they'd be offering crooked slots and be in violation of their license terms (and they'd also fail the RNG tests).

What type of statement do you want - that these companies aren't acting illegal?

Ahh yeah get you now. Sorry my brain has come together now thanks to you. Yeah makes sense as if we take example of high rollers betting £100-£200 a spin of course they should have same chance of a 1000x + win as anyone doing £0.20 bet per spin

I can see now what I was trying to explain is not holding its water

But I will carry on with my higher stakes and higher deposits for shorter sessions. I feel that works better than starting with £20 and doing 0.20 spins to try build up bigger balance and then maybe burst in end after several hours. I think someone actually explained and advised about this way back in time. That it is better to stick £100 deposit one place than 5 deposits of £20 5 different places. But end of day it is all random and only winner is Casino.

 

[onkel]

I like to bet a bit bigger too as I'm better at withdrawing when I've had a good session One reason you might feel that betting bigger gives you better luck is that perhaps smaller wins (in terms of x stake) are more noticed when the money won "matters" more to you - winning £16 with a £4 bet is more noticed than £0.8 with a £0.2 bet.

 

[interlog]

Are all of the DOA machines in all of the casinos linked to a central Netend server that spits out the result or is the result generated by each individual's casino server?

 

[Jono777]

All outcomes/spins/results come form Netent servers.

Casinos have zero control over games and cannot adjust/alter/affect RTP etc.

One thing they can do is exclude individual games from their Netent 'package' examples include, BGO and Ladbrokes has removed (or opted never to make available) DOA. BetAt release Netent 'new' releases a few weeks after other casinos have already done so.

 

[interlog]

Just to prove that this slot can be as random as it can get.

Just did 50 spins and had 4 bonus rounds.

Never seen that before!

Not that the bonus rounds were all that good (£40 profit at £0.45 per spin).

 

[jumboshrimp]

Just to prove that this slot can be as random as it can get.

Just did 50 spins and had 4 bonus rounds.

Never seen that before!

Not that the bonus rounds were all that good (£40 profit at £0.45 per spin).

...or it proves the game isn't random

I am on a spin cycle from hell and it seems to repeat itself in cycles. the same sequence of pittances.

 

[jumboshrimp]

All outcomes/spins/results come form Netent servers.

Casinos have zero control over games and cannot adjust/alter/affect RTP etc.

One thing they can do is exclude individual games from their Netent 'package' examples include, BGO and Ladbrokes has removed (or opted never to make available) DOA. BetAt release Netent 'new' releases a few weeks after other casinos have already done so.

You are 100% sure on the zero control over the games, Jon?? There is proof somewhere?