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Do you feel online slots hit more than land based?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Savatage79, Aug 22, 2016.

    Aug 22, 2016
  1. Savatage79

    Savatage79 Experienced Member

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    So since I been really hitting online slots I've not only been loving it, but I think I've done pretty well the last few months to where my friends sort of can't believe it. And I'm just curious if there's any type of correlation to the fact that online slots tend to hit a little better than land based casinos, what do some of you think?

    I personally always did awful at an actual casino, was simply a chore just to hit anything notable. Course I never went religiously either, but with online slots I'm just able to hone my own style a bit and build some nice bankrolls.

    But does anyone else feel this way, are online slots a little looser overall?

    My thought was that since you Gotta wait for your money that they can put out a little more possibly, because they also bank on people caving in and spinning off winnings.. I find it so hard to ignore when I have money in my bovada account, it's always there.... And a few times I've been a moron and squandered it away. But I was curious if this is in part why they seem to hit a little more and maybe less overhead. Lookin forward to hearing some thoughts
     
  2. Aug 22, 2016
  3. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

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    I think it all boils down to RTP and luck, most land based casinos in North America hover between 88-92%, online many of the games are 94-96%.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2016
  5. Savatage79

    Savatage79 Experienced Member

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    That percentage I think really makes a difference. Why do you think that might be tho? I mean the reason for having a slightly higher percentage
     
  6. Aug 22, 2016
  7. SlotGrinder

    SlotGrinder Senior Member

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    I don't know for sure why the slot providers have given them a higher payout % BUT an online casino is just a website containing links to computer games that you play for money . Compare that to a land based casino with physical mechanical objects (slot machines) in it . 1000s of people can play the same online slot at the same time and from anywhere as long as they have a device (phone , laptop etc) and an internet connection . In landbased casinos only 1 person can play a machine at any given time so you need 100s of expensive machines to even come close to the potential for online wagering . Plus you need to house these slot machines and there are running costs and security etc
     
  8. Aug 22, 2016
  9. Savatage79

    Savatage79 Experienced Member

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    Pretty much what I thought, good post and points
     
  10. Aug 22, 2016
  11. conker

    conker CM Advisory Group admin - Meister Minions Manager CAG MM webmeister

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    Typically you would expect a land based slot machine to have a lower (worse) TRTP than an online slot. This is largely down to the overheads of running a brick and mortar casino. Anyone that has been to Vegas will know that there is literally hundreds, if not thousands, of staff at each casino doing anything from being a croupier to feeding the marine life in the giant fish tank.

    Online casinos have a lot less overheads by its very nature, although arguably they generally give away more bonus money (certainly to get you signed up).

    I typically expect land based slots to have an RTP of between 88 - 94% and online between 92 - 97%. Although this varies massively in land based depending on what country you are from. For example some state run monopolies can offer RTP's of 50%. I believe in some Scandinavian countries this is the case.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2016
  13. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    There's many reasons for the difference in RTPs between online and offline slots, the overheads above being one of them. But the primary reason comes down to a marketing decision about how long a casino wants to take to bleed the player.

    Offline casinos generally have a short time to take as much money from a player as possible. There are obvious exceptions to this, but generally a player will only be in the casino for a limited number of hours. A fairly loyal offline player may visit for 4 hours once a week. A tourist to Las Vegas is going to be in town for 3-4 days. Online, you can access the casino any time you like and are more likely to visit more regularly. The casino wants your money, but doesn't want to take so much that they put you off coming back later when you have more.

    So the mindset of the operator is different. Both are trying to find the balance between maximising profits and making the player feel like they're getting the required amount of entertainment for their gambling buck. And the different types of players need to be treated differently to achieve that optimum line. If I go to Vegas and lose $1k over a weekend, I'll be a bit bummed out but it probably won't put me off going back in a few months time (presuming that the $1k was disposable income). However, if I go online and day in day out lose $300 bucks I'm less likely to keep playing at that casino. Online they have to give more entertainment for the gambling buck (i.e. take your money more slowly) because the player is able to spend more time playing and it's less of an experience (read holiday/atmosphere) than offline play.

    If anyone's interested in getting more of an insight into the mindset of the offline casino operator I'd recommend reading Whale Hunt in the Desert - Secrets of a Vegas Super Host by Deke Castleman. The stories regularly made me uncomfortable, but it gives a look at the thinking behind casino decision making.

    TP
     
  14. Aug 22, 2016
  15. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    I have played both.

    Since I was legally old enough to enter land based gaming premises and since the arrival of online casinos/slots

    Online defo, 100% hit more often no debate from me on that one.

    Reasons I feel include: -

    A heck of a lot more spins/play on an online slot, so more cycles, winning as well as losing :p
    Higher RTP online (not sure if its changed recently but some land based machines can be set as low as 72%)
    Odd favour your luck online, if you walk into a casino and go to a machine which has just paid out minutes before, you're less likely to win.

    Since I discovered online I have all but given up with land based stuff, although me n a mate pop once a week or so but this is more for the social aspect than anything else.

    Not just that but I once won £2,430 from a 0.30p bet, something you cannot do in the UK from land based slots, max payout laws n all that!
     
  16. Aug 22, 2016
  17. SlotGrinder

    SlotGrinder Senior Member

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    Yes , it's interesting whether market forces decide the rtp of a slot or not because most slot players don't choose to play slots based on rtp . Like starburst is 96.1% and Rhino is 95.9% yet they are of course vastly different machines . If starburst (secretly)became 97% rtp and Rhino 94.9% rtp then would players "sense" the change and start migrating away from Rhino and towards Starburst ? Ha probably not but at some point if they kept lowering the rtp on Rhino then people would stop playing it because they feel like they're just not winning often enough to make it enjoyable
    More competition between slot providers can only help raise rtp I suppose but at the same time there has to be a high entertainment factor involved in slot design . Potential for big wins , exciting features , pleasing graphics/sound etc are all more important for the average slot player than rtp - as long as rtp is somewhat reasonable and at least competitive with current rtp standards
     
  18. Aug 24, 2016
  19. t4llek

    t4llek Experienced Member

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    I stopped going to land based because of this issue i highly doubt theres a landbased slot in portugal that has an rtp higher than 90, last year i went to a casino was 2014 and in for example 20 trips ranging from 100€ to 2k bankroll, and playing only novomatic, i only cashed out 2 times, whereas with 20- 50€ deposits online i cashed out several times, this playing only 1 € bets, i remember playing book of raw deluxe for about 2 hours without hitting the free spins once, fuck that, too bad they banned portugal from online novo slots.
     
  20. Aug 24, 2016
  21. Pulver

    Pulver Senior Member PABaccred webmeister

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    Great post thePogg.

    I never play slots when I visit a land based casino as the house edge is to high for my liking. The difference between a 97% rtp slot and a 90% rtp slot is huge. I stick to blackjack and poker whenever I visit a brick and mortar casino as this gives me much more bang for the buck.

    Online is a whole different ballgame, I hardly ever play blackjack online.
     
  22. Aug 24, 2016
  23. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    That is and isn't true. It's true that most players do not actively seek out the RTP figure for a slots game before deciding to play however this thread and others show that whether or not the player consciously look to find out the RTP, the RTP still influences their decision.

    The lower the RTP the more players that are going to have bad sessions. Not every player that has a bad session will stop playing the game completely, but more players with bad sessions ultimately results in more players deciding to stop playing that game. There will always be players that have bad sessions even with comparatively low variance games. Here's a thread that's been discussing that very issue with Blackjack - http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...e-able-restore-my-faith-online-blackjack.html. But a lower RTP results in a higher frequency of losses for players and the law of large numbers dictates that if more players are experiencing what they feel are significant losses the more of them will quit the game.

    So while most players don't make a conscious effort to take RTP into account, the nature of gambling results in RTP impacting the number of return players to a game.

    TP
     
  24. Aug 24, 2016
  25. syrus2

    syrus2 Banned User - repetitive trollish behavior

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    Dear OP, Looks like uave never visited Macau.

    Depends on what part of the world you're talking about. . As for result does'nt matter. you could start playing with a tenner an end up with 14K ( Saying 14K bcuz I saw it by the chance happening ).
    Or start with 14K an end up with nothing .
    Online slots keeps u a bit longer bzy . ( depends on ur bet size of cors ) .
    For a 100 euro per spin ? Well .... I can sure u , u're saved out of your misery in NO TIME !!

    Btw, it aint rtp . It's ur timing . U could play on a slot with 99 prct rtp an lose , while Sumone els hits a big win on a slot with 90 prct rtp .
     
  26. Aug 24, 2016
  27. shewoff

    shewoff Senior Member webby mm1

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    Let's not forget about the ever growing Indian Reservation casino's here in the states.I would be interested to know what the slot's RTP is at them? Anyone have this info? conker?

    I play at both with some regularity online play is here in my minion reports but the brick and mortar play is real close but it is off by a bit.
    Here in New York the casino's are reservation casino's and I have never had a significant win at them a few hundred buck's but nothing big.But in Vegas and Atlantic Beach very good wins late at night and early morning when the clean up crew's are working. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

    I spent 1 full week in Vegas in 2014 and I took $2500.00 cash with and on the 1st morning I hit a $5,000.00 at the $5 slots.I did a nice nap and came back that night and took the 5grand with a came out of a very heated crap game $4,000.00 ahead. So $9,000/0 but the 4 was not slots play. On the last night i went for the bleachers and I played the big boy slots at $25.00 a pop and hit $25,000.00. :clap::yahoo::cheers:

    I have felt that at some Vegas casino's the slots are a bit looser? But it may be wishful thinking. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
     

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  28. Aug 26, 2016
  29. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    Vegas slots are indeed very much looser that most places. On higher denominations returns are generally higher, although penny machines may be paying far less than online. Competition is a big part of the reason, as well as government inspection and regulation. In addition to the actual return on the slots, all offer some kind of Player Club benefits like cashback, meals, and of course, drinks.

    Atlantic City is not too far behind AFAIK.

    I looked up Pennsylvania, and RTP is around 89%, with penny slots being lower. Pretty much all the surrounding states offer higher returns.

    State regulation vary greatly from state to state, and these are probably available publicly, although rarely easy to find. Casinos may choose to pay more than the minimum dictated by the state.

    Some native casinos may claim sovereignty and not have stats available to non-tribal members.

    I'd say especially if you play low bets, online pays better. But the buffet sucks.
     
  30. Sep 6, 2016
  31. Savatage79

    Savatage79 Experienced Member

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    Yea, I don't enjoy the Pittsburgh casino at all. Went there and it's pretty but the pay sucks, just no fun. I'm sure others might have better experiences or those who are lucky, but for me just feels weak.

    Online I've had a blast. I'm just now torn on what 3 reel to mess with, would love to just hit something big on one as normally I play progressive 5 reels
     

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