Do Slot players, 'Ever" even try table games?

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Hiya: OK. If you remove all the post about how tight the Slots are, and how much money players have lost, and how little play time they get, Then 90% of the post on this board would be gone......

Do any of you slot players even try any table games? If you lose all your money on a slot machine in 10 minites, have you ever took that same amount of money to a table game, and seen how long it last?

I am asking because it does not seem like most of the slot players are in it to, 'Win the $25,000 jackpot, or Win a really good bet and walk away with a $1000? Because if this was the case, and you were just trying to turn $50 into $5000, who cares how long it takes, or how fast you lose the $50?

It seems every post is centered around, 'Entertainment, and play time". Are not these much better, and last longer at the tables vs the slots?
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My thoughts:

The higher the variance, the more fun it is, for me. The fun about slots is the possibility to win really big. That is why I usually play high varriance slots like Break Da Bank again, and the likes of Paydirt (Won $30k on Paydirt with a $25 bet from Lock, problems getting paid tough). I have had some good hits on Break da bank again aswell for several thousan x my bet. But ofcourse, these wins are few and far between. What I really don't like is to bleed away on low varriance slots where the possibillity to win big are never present.

On most of the tablegames you only have to opportunity to win a few x your own bet each time. So I have to bet much bigger to get the same amount of thrill. That beeing said, playing BJ in Vegas with a drink in your hand is pretty damn fun. :cool:

But playing BJ would definitely cost you less in the long run..

Regarding playtime: Not a big issue for me. I don't get any fun out of spinning the wheels for hours just to get some "playtime". If I never had the opportunity to win anything significant during those hours, I really don't see the fun in it.
 

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I think it relates to "the longer you play the better your chances of winning"
and the opportunity of winning a jack pot is present where in table games it is not,
you either have to be content to build your bank roll to afford higher stakes and increased pay outs, or have that big bank roll to start with.
You could possibly put in 20 dollars on slots and walk away with 10 grand one night that won't happen in table games.

unless you went "all in" every bet on a big streak, about the same odds of hitting a huge JP
 

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I think it relates to "the longer you play the better your chances of winning"
and the opportunity of winning a jack pot is present where in table games it is not,
you either have to be content to build your bank roll to afford higher stakes and increased pay outs, or have that big bank roll to start with.
You could possibly put in 20 dollars on slots and walk away with 10 grand one night that won't happen in table games.

unless you went "all in" every bet on a big streak, about the same odds of hitting a huge JP


I think it is safe to say that the longer you play, the better your chances are of loosing...

The more spins you make against the house edge, the more you will loose. Sad but true.
 

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I am a slot player. I do play video poker now and then.

The thing is, when I gamble I DO want the playtime, I'm not looking for a huge win, I am looking for the entertainment. I do not work nor go out very much so my entertainment is limited.

Do any of you slot players even try any table games? If you lose all your money on a slot machine in 10 minites, have you ever took that same amount of money to a table game, and seen how long it last?

I just don't see the fun in "dealer wins" "player wins" it's boring to me. We aren't living in a box, we have money, so I prefer to be entertained than play a game that is boring.


On edit....do table players ever play slots?
 
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I am all over the place, slots, video poker and table games. I cash out probably on average 5 times a month and I normally dont cash out anything less than $500. Online I have hit a straight flush in caribbean stud twice, one for 6k and the other for $4900. As for land based casinos, I play pretty much nothing but tables with a little slots mixed in. Unlike online gambling, when I goto a land based casino, I am planning on walking out ahead and lots of times I do because of table games.

I have hit probably 6 royal flushes in let it ride in my life, but they werent on table games, they were on Playmaker machines which are similar to video poker machines.

My biggest win on a table game itself was in Niagara falls, $18,000 on caribbean stud straight flush. I was numb when I looked at my cards, wow what an indescribable feeling!

Craps is hands down my best money maker over the years, have walked out of casinos with 4-6 thousand on good nights and never looked back. The casino cant control the dice. Tell you what, if you play craps on any of the online casinos, I see no difference at all than craps in real life. If a table is hot, its hot.
 

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For some people table games bore the hell out of them. Also, what has a bigger thrill, the possibility of placing a $5 bet on a table game and getting your $5 back + another $5, or having a shot a some life changing, big money? In land based casinos a lot of people just want to go play a machine and don't care to interact with people or they find table games too intimidating.
The comparison about how long the money lasts on table games, vs., slots doesn't really wash either, as anyone who has ever played Blackjack against a hot dealer can attest. Sometimes it makes no difference what your skill level is when playing cards. You can play your hand correctly 100% of the time but it does you no good if you don't receive the cards you need to make your hand. Now, over the long run, the HE is lower on card games but that's boring stuff. Sometimes after a hard days work I just want to come home, change clothes, grab a beer and go relax infront of a slot game. The only decision I have to make is to press the spin button, unlike a card game. :)

But wait, there's more. Anyone who has ever won a good sized jackpot knows that is a thrill you don't get, except maybe doing one other thing. It kind of makes the table games seem dull and boring after that.
 

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All about personality I guess. For me slots are boring and a time waster - can't see the point - quicker and easier to buy a lotto ticket each week. But I know people who love the entertainment so long as they can stay in front of the screen winning a coupla bucks on a regular basis to spend hours clicking away - and yeah maybe hit a jackpot.

Strategy and "skill" is what I buzz on. And the thrill is making life changing money on a regular basis, albeit in small increments - but when added up over time is worth the application of concentration and record keeping.

I am still a newbie but have been rigorously watching, learning, playing, tweaking and recording numbers. So far I have successfully made (in practice mode only:(), a consistent average of $100-$300 each time I play a set. A set being my own betting style applied to a "set" that I am ever so grateful to have learnt from a guru - won't mention any names - he know who he is.:thumbsup: Each set takes approximately 45 mins and is satisfaction plus for the work involved. My style of betting, (which is structured but applied at different times according to the board and numbers hit in each set), also provides me with the entertainment/thrill value - and it has really become delightfully "too easy".

Now that I have arrived at a style that is consistently proving itself I am almost ready to start in real time. And should all go well, the rewards will build up over time to equate to a lovely jacpot win.

Cheers and good luck to everyone and their choice of entertainment!
 

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Hi
Just thought I would post a screen shot of balance arrived at (in fun mode) after $1,000 start for die hard table fans.
Cheers.
View attachment 23108

Bugger, sorry this my first screen shot taken and post - took my computer ignorance awhile to shrink, jpeg, etc. That total reads $9000+
 

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StaceyLee Hi
Just thought I would post a screen shot of balance arrived at (in fun mode) after $1,000 start for die hard table fans.
Cheers.
Attachment 23108

Bugger, sorry this my first screen shot taken and post - took my computer ignorance awhile to shrink, jpeg, etc. That total reads $9000+
Need to post it in the funplay screenies..that way it can be a keeper!
takethemoney For some people table games bore the hell out of them.
How right you are! I love blackjack...but only play it a few hands at a time knowing the casino will suck me dry in a certain amount of hands...

I play a lot of table games, craps etc, when slots get boring...but I do not play long...I hit and run on most of the table games, thats the only way to survive the casinos edge IMO. Because the casinos edge on table games are close to 60% IMO...they will win 6-8 out of ten hands most of the time...JMO...(and that is many, many years of playing online experiences)

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Need to post it in the funplay screenies..that way it can be a keeper!
How right you are! I love blackjack...but only play it a few hands at a time knowing the casino will suck me dry in a certain amount of hands...

I play a lot of table games, craps etc, when slots get boring...but I do not play long...I hit and run on most of the table games, thats the only way to survive the casinos edge IMO. Because the casinos edge on table games are close to 60% IMO...they will win 6-8 out of ten hands most of the time...JMO...(and that is many, many years of playing online experiences)

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Do you split face cards? :D
 

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takethemoney: Do you split face cards?
Actually I do, playing online...never at a real casino...

The odds are against you from the get go online, so why allow them to follow your play pattern? I mix it up a lot....I played perfectly for the first few years until I realized how they can still win and when I started mixing it up was when I started to win, not them......

I feel this confuses their programming that follows a players betting play pattern in how our play is done (remember, they watch your play pattern , and many have lost against casinos claiming this against a player, so how else would they have known if not for software following a players play?)So, I have no pattern anymore in card games and it has paid in the long run more this way than any perfect play I did for years.

There is another thread in here somewhere on how to play ONLINE blackjack...and playing perfectly is not the way...Playing my way, I actually come out ahead in a short run (those are the only ones I do anymore, the short runs).

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Actually I do, playing online...never at a real casino...

The odds are against you from the get go online, so why allow them to follow your play pattern? I mix it up a lot....I played perfectly for the first few years until I realized how they can still win and when I started mixing it up was when I started to win, not them......

I feel this confuses their programming that follows a players betting play pattern in how our play is done (remember, they watch your play pattern , and many have lost against casinos claiming this against a player, so how else would they have known if not for software following a players play?)So, I have no pattern anymore in card games and it has paid in the long run more this way than any perfect play I did for years.

There is another thread in here somewhere on how to play ONLINE blackjack...and playing perfectly is not the way...Playing my way, I actually come out ahead in a short run (those are the only ones I do anymore, the short runs).

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Hehe, maybe you should chill down on the weed and paranoia? JK :p
 

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I started out as table games and VP player then did some slot bonuses with good outcomes and then I was "stuck" with them for a long time until the losses started to be a bit too high. Now I have reverted back to tables and VP again.

I have probably more hands at BJ than spins on slots with "fair" results. BJ play is very monotonic if you flatbet but there are many other table games to play.

Edit: so when I was deep into slots I did a few table games bonuses every month but otherwise just sticked to slots.
 

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I have hit probably 6 royal flushes in let it ride in my life, but they werent on table games, they were on Playmaker machines which are similar to video poker machines.

The Let it Ride machines are called Gamemakers. They are old Bally's machines. I know a slot manager in Las Vegas where these machines are that I play. I play the machine every trip for $1.25 stacks because it is something different and is a good grinding drinking game. They have three machines now but had over a dozen at one time (most have broke). They have had the machines since 1996. As of early June, the last time I talked to him, nobody had EVER hit a royal flush in 14 years.

I also know a table games suit in Biloxi. They have offered LIR for about 15 years. When I asked him about a year ago if anyone had ever hit a royal he said "No but we have had a couple of straight flushes over the years". Nobody had ever hit the Carribean Stud jackpot either and they had to roll it over to table jackpots because nobody would ever play it.

In Deadwood they have LIR at one place and I've asked and nobody has ever hit a royal there either. I also have a friend that goes to Tunica once a month and plays table LIR. I figure he plays about 36 10 hour days a year. The last time I asked him he had never hit one either. I have also played these Game Makers for more hours than I would ever want to think about and hit one king high straight flush and no other sf's/rf's.

You must be the luckiest guy in the world. You have hit a 650,000 to 1 shot 6 times? So you have played (assuming no variance because your sample size has to be astounding to hit this) 3,900,000 hands give or take a few. I know from playing these Gamemakers you can play about 9 hands a minute. This means that you have spent around 433,333 minutes, 7222 hours, 300.5 days) on a machine that is copyrighted 1994. You've spent about 7% of your last 16 years sitting at a Gamemaker? You've managed to hit 6 in an impossible time frame even though for 15 years/24 hours a day these games/tables don't produce any royals?

Craps is hands down my best money maker over the years, have walked out of casinos with 4-6 thousand on good nights and never looked back. The casino cant control the dice. Tell you what, if you play craps on any of the online casinos, I see no difference at all than craps in real life. If a table is hot, its hot.

On a standard 3-4-5 game the hold is 0.273% on the best bet on the table which is don't pass/don't come. There is no such thing as a hot or cold table. That is a ridiculous gambling myth. If you are betting $25 on the don't pass you are losing about 6 cents every time the dice are thrown. Assuming you are rolling three times a minute you lose about $11/hr. If you are betting enough to have large wins like that you're certainly betting more which would cause many more massive losses than 4-6k wins. I'm sorry but your post is just completely unrealistic.
 

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Pulver: Hehe, maybe you should chill down on the weed and paranoia? JK
Of course the casino knows how one plays...how do you think they catch the abusers?

If you do not think they know how you play...then I think you need to buy some Florida swamp land from me :D I will be happy to sell it to you! :thumbsup:

Seriously, do you really think they do not watch your play?
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Seriously, do you really think they do not watch your play?


Hiya. I have to disagree with that. Here is why. Most all cheating in real casinos in done with a casino employee, or a casino employee in collusion with a player. if this happens in a Real Casino, then it would also happen at a On Line casino.

If your play is Watched. and then an adjustment made, to counter how your playing, it can only be done in 1 of 2 ways. Either the SoftWare is able/programmed to do it on it's own, or a employee is able to make an adjustment on their own.

In either case, There would be a lot of collusion going on between the employee at the casino, who is either doing the adjustment, or knows what will cause the software to trigger the adjustment. Don't you think, that by now, this would be plastered all over the Internet, of how someone made a ton of money by taking advantage of this?

If I thought this happens, I would bet $1 to $5 on the same numbers over n over n over again in Roulette. To establish the pattern. Then i would bet the exact opposite, at Max bet, and make a good profit. Then start over, and do it the same way, again, and again, ect. If someone at casino, "insert casino name here', were to tell me what/when the Software will lock on, and make the numbers i was betting never come up, and WE split the profits for this information, I would have even more money.

And we all KNOW, that if this was possible, it would have happened by now, and some people would have gotten caught, and one of those who got caught would have posted this all over the Web.

To answer the question about if table players ever play slots, my answer is, "Yes, when their is a gun pointed at my head". That being, here is your $25 birthday bonus, but you can only play slots with it, and things/offers like that.
 

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love2winalot: If your play is Watched.
You really are serious! You really believe an online casino doesn't know what you are doing?

Scenerio: You are down to your last few bucks and an instant window pops up with an operator offering you a bonus for another deposit saying they see you are getting low (This is a real thing) Now how did they know you are low in funds if they cannot see you? Please explain. Or the reverse is true also..theat you have made a withdrawal and they ask you to reverse it..within seconds of withdrawing...

Scenerio: You hit a jackpot and a window opens and the operator says :please hold..we are checking to make sure this is not an error (Real thing, the way I read it was that it just happened to another poster) So how did this operator know this player won the instant he did since the window popped up and in real time the operator was there both times within seconds...

Do you really not wonder how they can do this or are you really that innocent? Please tell me you really do not believe that you are invisible to them...and they know not what you are doing....

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Hiya: i agree that,"They", can see you. I used to play at a Casino Called Global Player. Every little bit, a scroll bar would scroll down on the bottom of the screen. It would say something like, "Bob123 just won $500 at Black jack, he did it, so can you". and things like that.

There is a difference between being able to see a players acct balance, and being able to see, and then affect the outcome the the game they are playing, based on what they see.

This brings up another question. How many people are playing at the casino at the same time? If only 1 person from each state was playing at xyz casino, and only 2 people from each other country on the planet, then you have over 100 people playing at the same time. How are they watching all of them? How many employees do they have? If everyone here at casinomeister all logged into their 3 Dice acct: at the same time, are they watching us all, or just the ones that are winning?

I think this would be a good question to ask the Casino reps here on this forum.
 

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There's a feature of casino software called virtual pit boss, I imagine it alerts a rep when there's a big win or number of consecutive wins etc.

We would all like a "how it works" explanation but whenever someone asks it's explained away as a "software secret" You would think somewhere a employee has left an online casino and written a book on the topic, perhaps an Amazon adept individual will locate one for us.
 
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