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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Nifty29, Aug 12, 2012.

    Aug 12, 2012
  1. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    OK Chopley and Jufo and all other maths whizkids....(and anyone else who wants to say something of course)

    Do I take this bonus or not?


    OH yeah....and how would you play it?
     
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  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    :lolup:
     
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  5. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    So as I see it you get a $650 bankroll from a $150 deposit, with a 45xD+B WR.

    Therefore the required wagering is $29,250 (45x650).

    Your expected wagering at 95% RTP is $13,000 (650/0.05).

    On average luck, you bust out long before you make a withdrawal.

    Just out of interest though, here's how the numbers change as the RTP goes up. And this is what made The Back Nine such a stunningly good slot to make a WR with, given its incredibly high RTP of over 98% (assuming enough skill on the bonus round) and its 100% contribution to the WR. (Remember it has a possible RTP of 99% if you can get all hole in ones on the bonus round.)

    So on your bonus there Nifty:

    At 95% RTP - $13,000 - BONUS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY A BUST OUT

    At 96% RTP - $16,250 - BONUS IS MOST LIKELY BUST OUT

    At 97% RTP - $21,666 - BONUS IS PROBABLY A BUST OUT

    At 98% RTP - $32,500 - BONUS SHOULD BE BEATABLE

    At 99% RTP - $65,000 - BONUS WILL MOST LIKELY BE BEATABLE

    RTP is everything!
     
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  7. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Whilst RTP does play a significant role in your returns, it does not guarantee that the bonus can and will be beaten playing on a higher RTP Slot.

    You could take a Slot with a High RTP and hit a bad patch and get back 86% .. RTP is not calculated on your session alone but in the long term. It is inaccurate to calculate the wagering VS. the Slots RTP because that RTP does not only apply to your session.

    I think its a shitty bonus TBH and I never take them. I would prefer matching my deposit 100% and if I bust out I usually make another deposit with another 100% bonus.

    Nate
     
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  9. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    I think there were several similar threads on this which I view as a horrible promo from CW and where the main drift of opinion was negative. If progressives are allowed have a go at it but if you play the normal real-series slots dont play any that has a low random jackpot eg $2 -3k as you will still have a tough job meeting wrs. You could opt for Vegasbum's strategy and play less lines to increase the variance at say Count Spectacular ie maybe 5 lines at $1 per line. You still get the max payout if you get 5 counts and with 4 you still might still get a profit. Good Luck mate.
     
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  11. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Well yes Nate but TBH I think that's just common sense hence why I didn't feel the need to point it out to Nifty :)

    We can only work off 'average luck' and calculate our expected returns on that basis, it pretty much goes without saying that the natural variance of a slot can take the actual return off in either direction.

    I simply assume that each spin 'costs' the house edge when working out expected wagering, in reality of course that won't be entirely accurate, but as the number of spins increases, the accuracy of the calculation increases too. It's not a perfect metric but it's the only one available to us.

    For the record, the method I used up there for this bonus is exactly the same that I use for myself when choosing to take on a bonus or not, and generally speaking it works OK.
     
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  13. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    I hear you Chopley... There are a lot of people out there who do not have as much knowledge as Nifty may have on the subject.

    Sometimes the information supplied can be taken literally and can be misleading.

    Nate
     
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  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I would NEVER take ANY bonus where the WR is (D+B)x45 - no matter what the % was or whether it was Cashable or Phantom.
    That is just WAY too high - your chances of meeting the WR with anything left are minuscule.

    IMO this is just one of those bonuses you take to extend your playtime without realistically expecting to cash out anything.
    OK - a few people will make with extremely good luck, but everyone else will lose.

    KK
     
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  17. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    I agree KK...

    I took one of those bonuses at LuckyRed or Highnoon a few years ago. I did not really know about the volatility of RTG slots and proceeded straight to Mystic Dragon. I started off on $6.25 bets and 3 spins in I had a hit for over $8 000 ... Needless to say, I managed the WR BUT failed to cash out.. Yeah I was stupid... :)

    I have played lots of RTG in recent times... The slots are tight and takes a few hundred on $1 bets to get a decent hit.... You may just get lucky but then meeting the WR is a nightmare.

    Nate
     
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  19. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Well I was told I was insane for taking the 65xD+B 1777% bonus at Tropica, but that's left me £850 better off.

    Sometimes it pays to do a little bit of research into what games are available on any given bonus ;)

    (I'm not saying that RTG have a 98%+ RTP slot on their books of course!)
     
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  21. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

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    Yes, IMO. I take these offers all the time from CWG -- you get a lot of play time and sometimes you can win big. Starting with $5 to $6.25 is what I do..........if I hit a nice win, I keep doubling the bet, always keeping bets to 100x my balance (as a minimum) hence the $6.25 starting bet with $650 to play with.

    Diane
     
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  23. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    High roll Fruit Frenzy at 9 lines or less. If you get the bonus feature you get to play with all 25 lines. :thumbsup:
     
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  25. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

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    Interesting -------- I have never played less than max lines.

    Do other slots have similar feature that you get MORE lines in bonus than what you played to trigger it?

    Learning something new everyday from my CM friends.

    Diane
     
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  27. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    That's the only one I know of.
     
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  29. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    Nifty-

    If you do take this bonus, and meet the wagering requirements, do they take the 500 dollars back? That is something that needs to be considered I think.

    If you do take it I wish you the best of luck!!

    LH
     
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  31. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

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    Yes, the bonus is sticky.

    However, it is doable. Last time I took one, netted $3000. Just takes alot of patience to keep grinding away.
     
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  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Damn! another of my best slot systems outed:(

    I expect Fruit Frenzy will end up being a banned game for bonuses after too long. If you hit the feature, and get the full 25 spins, you can get a big enough hit to beat any WR they care to set. You may well get bonus banned for this:p

    It even works on the "two pears" 91.5% setting:D
     
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  35. PaaskeDKnowUK

    PaaskeDKnowUK Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    It prob will. Reason we need to keep quiet about it hehe censored :p :lolup:
     
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  37. PenDragyn21

    PenDragyn21 Dormant account

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    Year of Fortune comes close I suppose. You can't reduce the number of lines on your regular spin, but the feature plays at 88 lines instead of the normal 25.

    PD
     
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  39. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    Are you saying that with this slot the RTP goes up the fewer lines you play? Because the fewer lines you play the more valuable the bonus round would be relative to your initiating bet. Usually this is taken into account by the fact that the bet-per-line weightining in free spins is correspondingly lowered so that the end result is the same.
     

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