Do all online bingo sites have house players?

[Redponyfan]

I have played at several online bingo sites and it seems like they all have one thing in common. They have all seem to have a certain group of players that manage to win an unreal amount of games each and every night. I was told about a new site called Canadian Dollar Bingo, it was supposed to be a great place to play, good bonus offers and friendly CMs. Well the CMs are friendly, the bonus offers are good although they have dropped in quantity, but here is the rub. The same group of players manage to win hundreds of dolllars each and every night. Are they house players ? Well as my old drill instructor used to say " Don't crap on my forehead and try to tell me it's chocolate! "
Name changes there are as easy as crossing your fingers and big JPs seem to get won by names you have never seen in chat before or by the regular big winners. One player in particular may be the new Stonelady of Zany bingo fame, J*bes, don't know if I could get in trouble for giving this players screen name so the * substitues for a letter in her nick. She wins hundreds each and every night for a total of thousand every week. If a pot gets very large at all you can count on her or one of small group winning it. One other thing I have observed to happen on a regular basis is to have a strange name show up, win a multitude of games and then never be seen again. Last week a new name showed up, T*kki, won seven games in two and half hours and has not been seen again under that name.
Remember this is a new site so no large base of players built up over the years where you might expect to see names that only play every now and then. These are true hit and run artists
I have tried the wonderful world of online bingo because of changes in the law for U.S. players at online casinos. Bingo sites seem to ignore this and willingly accept us. But I have never(thanks in a large part to the Casinomeister and this sites great info) run into such obvious cheating at online casinos as I have in the bingo world.
Well thats my rant and I'm sticking with it. And thanks to Bush and congress for wrecking a good thing.

 

[BingoT]

Can I ask you something?

Can I ask you something? How long have you been going to any type of forums? Why I ask is Stonelady of Zany bingo Her name has been in all forums for a long time now. I guess she's well known.
And this is your first post.
I myself think you can have house players But that would be dirty if they were caught doing this. It's like Poker I know some guys that team up and play in the same room and they talk to the group on the phones to clean house from other players.And they are not house players They are Phone Players lol.
When it comes to online I say stick to slots and Table games but a bingo player is a bingo player just try to have the winning card. It's all luck in that game.
I do promote Bingo at my place but I don't care about that Zany one

Good Luck

 

[Gots]

I myself think you can have house players But that would be dirty if they were caught doing this.

You're kidding right? There is no way for any of them to be caught. People can speculate and point fingers all they like, but online bingo, poker and casinos can do as they please and I'm quite sure they do. There are no laws to stop them. Sure word of mouth might stop some people that are already seasoned online gamblers from playing at a site, but come on, how many brand new people to the world of online gambling actually research BEFORE they spend a nickle online.

It's like Poker I know some guys that team up and play in the same room and they talk to the group on the phones to clean house from other players.

I found this statement repulsive. I'm positive such groups do exist, there is no question in my mind. It's a simple way for a group to make money. What I find repulsive is that you claim to KNOW such a group and choose to do nothing about it. Are you part of the group? If not you're either flat out lying about knowing such a group to try and better your post or you do know such a group and could care less about fairness in online gambling.

 

[BingoT]

I have No reason to lie Thank You I come from a very good upbring
And yes I do know a group Oh I forgot to say I met them playing poker at Foxwoods and they were talking about it and I see this group all the time playing at Foxwoods So that would mean I know them. and i'm not in it because I do also promote poker and on top of it they don't do it in a place I promote.And if that was the case I would not say Shi.

Stick to your WatchDog Bingo Ok You seem like your in at the BPU and you like to start Sh..

 

[BingoT]

Oh I forgot to say I have no reason to better myself.
I'm just saying this goes on. Like this thread is about the same names winning all the time in bingo and that goes on as well.
If someone wants to find a way to cheat online they will do the best they can to do it.And I have no reason to cheat in anything I do.

Good Day

 

[shirlsplay]

house players

I believe that every bingo has there own ghost players. but they can't win all the time.lol. i do not mind them i think it's there way of making up the difference on the bonuses they give.I guess if i ever lose a lot of money than i might change my mind lmao.But if you love bingo like me, you just accept it.
thank you,

 

[kaufman]

This is a subject that gets thrown aroun a lot, but to this day i have not yet seen any solid proof! I am not saying it does not happen. What I am saying is that I haven't seen any solid proof of it. A winners list of the same names is not valid proof. It just is not. If sites did create house players I am sure they would go to greater ways to cover it up than displaying it for all to see on the winners pages.

I think that the ability to create house/ghost players would depend on the software itself.

Before I get leapt upon by herds of angry people, I am not saying they don't exist equally I am not saying they do - just that I find it hard to believe that sites would be that obvious. I suppose I am somewhat playing devil's advocate.

Final thought: I also play land based bingo regularly. I don't win very often, others do. Does that mean that my local bingo hall has house players too?

 

[Gots]

And yes I do know a group Oh I forgot to say I met them playing poker at Foxwoods and they were talking about it and I see this group all the time playing at Foxwoods So that would mean I know them.

That's quite different from what you said before, thanks for clearing that up.

Stick to your WatchDog Bingo Ok You seem like your in at the BPU and you like to start Sh..

This is an insult to the highest degree. I am not a bingo watchdog for any forum. I played at a few sites, saw some wrong shit and posted it. As far as BPU goes, well, those people are a bunch of whackos. They accuse accuse accuse, but show no proof whatsoever of anything, but they do like to make lists and point fingers. Cya should be thrown off the internet entirely, probably right along with the rest of the so called staff at that joke of a forum.

Don't ever associate me with those halfwits again please.

 

[BingoT]

I'm sorry I did'nt say Foxwoods

That's quite different from what you said before, thanks for clearing that up.
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I'm sorry I did'nt say Foxwoods
And I did say I knew them so how is it quite different on what I said?
The only thing I did'nt say I knew them from Foxwoods.
And when I saw your Quote to Quote to Quote I was thinking the only one's that do that stuff are the one's from that group.
I'm very Sorry

 

[Gots]

And when I saw your Quote to Quote to Quote I was thinking the only one's that do that stuff are the one's from that group.

Well excuse me for trying to simplify direct answers to direct quotes. If that's how I got associated with a bunch of halfwits, then I will never do it again, but you did tell me to stick to watchdoggin bingo, which inferred you knew me from there in other ways. I haven't played bingo for months.

Allthough it can never be proved one way or the other if a site has house players, it's entirely too easy for them to be able to do it in the first place. If regulation ever hit the online bingo scene, I would give it some minor thought to play again, but probably still wouldnt, since it is nothing more than a game of chance. I think I'll stick to poker. Oh yes, there are whiners in that category too, but it's my hand and how I play it determines the outcome. The whiney losers will cry rigged, let them. I play on 2 sites and I am up a total of 16k over 3 months.

 

[BingoT]

Good for You

Good for You
Keep Winning
I hope your not mad at me in anyway. I did'nt mean any harm.
Peace

 

[Redponyfan]

Just passing along observations

It seems this thread took a hard right into the online poker world but my intent in starting this thread was to pass along my observations. Information is the best tool any player can have in choosing how to spend their money at any gambling site. I think sometimes people get too wrapped up in the illusion of an online gaming site. They forget that they are playing with software provided by the very people your are trying to win money from. Can that software be manipulated by the owners? Of course it can. You then must depend upon how trustworthy the site owners are.

I would much rather play at online casinos but due to law changes that is not too easy for U.S. players now. However during the time I did play at online casinos I relied on this site and its forums for my primary source of information to help me determine which sites were trustworthy. I think I did learn how to pay attention and I do have the ability to recognize a pattern when I see one. Can I give you hard proof, no I can not. So I give my observations, a sustained winning streak that seems to have no end by a small group of players that all seem to know each other onsite and off. The ability to change site nicknames at will is also a negative in my opinion. One other factor to consider is the economics for the bingo site. For example if the are playing 90% payout and the pot is $90 then the rake for the bingo site is $10, meaning that $100 total was taken in on ticket sales for that game. If they play 12 games in one hour then the rake is $120, not too much of a profit considering they have to pay expenses out of that 120 and that hour may include one or more games with a special higher jackpot.

When a house player wins a pot then 100% of that pot is the rake. So just observe and come to your decision about how trustworthy you think a site is. Does "land" bingo cheat ? I know of three cases in my area where groups were prosecuted for doing just that, cheating. If its a game of chance then someone has figured a way to rig it. information is your only defense.

 

[dominique]

Guys, just about any multi player gaming situation online starts out with houseplayers.

Who will be the first to play an empty room? Who will play for a pot with no money in it?

Of course there are houseplayers in Bingo, Poker, Backgammon, skill game tournies and everything else that requires more than one person to play, and especially games that depend on a pot to make them attractive.

There is a legitimate use for house players, and you would be hard up to find any multi player place that has never used them.

In a normal situation they contribute to the pot like everyone else, and they win or lose like everyone else, since the goal of the exercise is to provide a realistic playing environment in a new gambling situation.

Is this ever abused? I am sure it is, everything is abused if certain types of people can figure out a way to do it.

But in a new establishment, abuse would defeat the purpose. The purpose is to create a pool of happy players, playing for a decent sized pot with friendly roomies and winning and losing in a natural way. That is what makes people come back, and that is what blows life into a new place, and that is how it is normally done.

Just like with any other online game, the bad apples do get outed eventually. Players are not stupid, they watch and take notice and come here and other places when they see foul play.

That said, Redponyfan, you wouldn't be an emissary from the "bingo watchdogs", would you?

 

[LadyHoldem]

In response to the group of people that win all the time...

I used to work as a chat manager for an online bingo room.. We had some of those all the time winners.. seemed they won thousands monthly, while others barely put a drop in the bucket.

What you have to take into account though is that these same ladies would be with me from the moment I opened the virtual doors, till the minute I got done, 12 hours later... $1 per card, they'd buy the max amount of cards available, and play all day..

They weren't always big winners, as the site stated.. because they were spending much much more than they won.

~LadyH

 

[whatwedontknow]

Gots said:

This is an insult to the highest degree. I am not a bingo watchdog for any forum. I played at a few sites, saw some wrong shit and posted it. As far as BPU goes, well, those people are a bunch of whackos. They accuse accuse accuse, but show no proof whatsoever of anything, but they do like to make lists and point fingers. Cya should be thrown off the internet entirely, probably right along with the rest of the so called staff at that joke of a forum.

Don't ever associate me with those halfwits again please.

You must know im not going to just let that go.
If that is so true Pat, then why did you ask our help last week?

 

[Gots]

Gots said:


You must know im not going to just let that go.
If that is so true Pat, then why did you ask our help last week?

I see there's one of the halfwits now.

You are obviously lost on who I am, because I don't have an account at bpu and if I did have one, it certainly wouldn't be used to ask a bunch of finger pointing fools for help. It would instead be to tear you apart for accusing both sites and people of various things without one shred of evidence.

On a more pressing matter, no BingoT, I was never mad at you.

 

[whatwedontknow]

well for a half wit.... i could sure prove it was you easily enough dumbass.
but ill rise above your level n let you continue on.

 

[Gots]

well for a halfwit.

Exactly, move it along on back to the accusatory site with no proof.

 

[whatwedontknow]

you should never take a quote out of context.
Originally Posted by whatwedontknow

well for a half wit.... i could sure prove it was you easily enough dumbass.
but ill rise above your level n let you continue on.

 

[Gots]

well for a halfwit

Yes, ok. Now can we get back to the topic of this thread or shall we start another one and carry on quoting?

 

[whatwedontknow]

once a liar always a liar.....carry on

 

[Gots]

once a lier always a lier.....carry on

Yes, ty. BTW, it's liar...carry on.

This is a subject that gets thrown aroun a lot, but to this day i have not yet seen any solid proof! I am not saying it does not happen. What I am saying is that I haven't seen any solid proof of it. A winners list of the same names is not valid proof. It just is not. If sites did create house players I am sure they would go to greater ways to cover it up than displaying it for all to see on the winners pages.

I think that the ability to create house/ghost players would depend on the software itself.

Before I get leapt upon by herds of angry people, I am not saying they don't exist equally I am not saying they do - just that I find it hard to believe that sites would be that obvious. I suppose I am somewhat playing devil's advocate.

Final thought: I also play land based bingo regularly. I don't win very often, others do. Does that mean that my local bingo hall has house players too?

This was a great post. Too many of the same names you see going forum to forum complaining about house players have admitted they lost money. It seems they can't accept the fact they gambled their money and lost. They have to have someone to blame and can not hold themselves accountable for their actions, so they claim foul by the sites.

What are they claiming? Someone wins more often then they do, so then the site must be cheating. All the time thinking that they spent so much money, when in fact they've probably spent a fraction of the amount of the person they are claiming is a house player.

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Are there house players? Who knows, but just like kaufman, I've not seen one shred of proof or evidence that house players exist, just whiners that need to blame someone.

 

[BingoT]

Gots You Got it

Yes, ty. BTW, it's liar...carry on.
This was a great post. Too many of the same names you see going forum to forum complaining about house players have admitted they lost money. It seems they can't accept the fact they gambled their money and lost. They have to have someone to blame and can not hold themselves accountable for their actions, so they claim foul by the sites.

What are they claiming? Someone wins more often then they do, so then the site must be cheating. All the time thinking that they spent so much money, when in fact they've probably spent a fraction of the amount of the person they are claiming is a house player.

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Are there house players? Who knows, but just like kaufman, I've not seen one shred of proof or evidence that house players exist, just whiners that need to blame someone.

Oh my I have to say THIS IS THE TRUTH
I say this time & Time again
Gots You Got it
Watch out if you go to them they will walk on you if you want to say your 2 cents

 

[I BEEN THERE]

I just have to add my 2 cents here since it does appear to be the appropriate place.. Would you consider anyone taking free BBS from a CM because they are friends a house player ? I am sure many of us don't like to play against someone receiving extra benefits because they are roomates and good friends. I suppose that does not count huh ? It is highly unlikely this same behavior does not happen at most if not all sites. Nobody likes to lose but against those odds no wonder there are so many whiners. If sites would clean up their act there would sure be a lot less complaining.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/bingoland.13249/

I BEEN THERE

 

[dominique]

Hmmm, what a collection of posters.

Liars, half wits, dumbasses....

Geez guys, can we stay away form all the insults and discuss something here?

1. Of course there are house players. Every multi player online game starts out with house players.

2. Like ladyholdem said, some people play all day long investing lots of money and get a lot of wins that way. Do they actually end up ahead? Probably occasionally, but you need to consider the investment here.

3. Sorry if I offended someone by thinking they were an emissary of BPU.

And, finally, a quote:

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Exactly.