Different RTP Demo / Real mode? - Pragmatic Play

Dafunk

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Hey :)

After losing some money playing one of my favourite Pragmatic Slots 5 Lions, I had a quick look at the offered RTP and it states 93,99%.
Ok, thats not so customer friendly, but I can deal with it. If I win, I'll get my winnings within a few hours.

Decided to not deposit again ( :cheerleader: ) and played this slot in demo mode. Got curious and had also a look at the offered RTP version...... amazingly 96,5%.
If it's necessary, I'm able to provide screenshots and the name of the operator.

Now to my question, cause it's a MGA licensed operator.

Is it legal, offering a higher RTP in demo mode, to suggest a "better" gameplay?

Hope to hear some opinions regarding this topic.


Greetings,

Dafunk
 
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It's possible if you go to a third party site to play a demo, i.e. not the one on offer at your casino, it will have a different RTP. That's because the demo on the developer site will have factory RTP whereas the customer (casino) may choose a lower RTP one for live play.

If, as I suspect you're saying, the casino is offering a demo slot AND the similar real play slot where the demo is of a higher RTP setting, that's a FUCKING BIG NO-NO! Totally forbidden for UKGC licensed sites, same in the USA and I suspect even the MGA.

We had a the infamous Videoslots incident with GameArt slots a few years ago where the demo versions were paying well over 100%, which they denied until every bugger here, including Bryan, tried the demo and all found they couldn't fail to double their demo credits in a very short space of time.

I cannot understand how this can happen as surely the demo and real-play would be pulled from the same server at the same maths model the casino had ordered. The very fact they can do this (even if they DO state the different RTP's in both demo and real-play versions) really says a lot - and no wonder players come up with conspiracy stories! If the casino can choose from a menu of RTP settings on their back end, how on earth does the player know for sure they are getting the stated RTP?
 

Dafunk

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Hey Dunover.

Many thanks for your reply.
Yes, you are right. The casino is offering the demo and real mode on the same page.
 

Mr_Slot5

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I cannot understand how this can happen as surely the demo and real-play would be pulled from the same server at the same maths model the casino had ordered. The very fact they can do this (even if they DO state the different RTP's in both demo and real-play versions) really says a lot - and no wonder players come up with conspiracy stories! If the casino can choose from a menu of RTP settings on their back end, how on earth does the player know for sure they are getting the stated RTP?
Unfortunately, the pieces sometimes just fit together all too neatly for it to be just a conspiracy theory. If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
 

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Hey Dunover.

Many thanks for your reply.
Yes, you are right. The casino is offering the demo and real mode on the same page.
That's ridiculous - it's like me having a bar and giving you a free 'sample' of a new beer, only when you decide you like it and then buy it, I pour you a watered-down one.....
 

Dafunk

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Please have a look at the screenshots.
The operator is Mr. Bit.
 

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hhhelllo

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Very suprise that such behavior is something going on like if it was absolutely normal on the softswiss platform. Slotwolf did exactly that with their play n go portfolio. 96 rtp on demo and 94 on real play. Maybe it was a proper introduction to one cent free spins... I’m out to the supermarket anyway.
 

danofthewibble

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I wonder if they’re just embedding the demos directly from Pragmatic’s own pages, rather than integrated in any way with their site. Notice the language isn’t localised in the demo.
 

bamberfishcake

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Have to say that is quite simply wrong.

Here come and try this game for free!

Then come and play this lower paying version for your hard earned cash!
 

alcatraz

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Its not the only Operator. Since yesterday i´ve noticed a change in RTP for PNG Slots like Book of Dead by N1 and Boomcasino.

They seemed to have changed those values simultaneously.

However N1 Casino advertises still with 96,21% in Demo. In Real Mode you get served the lower 94,25%. Of course all on the same page/area.

There is no information provided by this casino (about changes) as some of them do. Thats another one off the list.
 

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