Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works

[TheAddict]

I'm a weirdo in regards to the redeposit in game option. I never used it. I preferred to inconvenience myself by closing the game and going through the cashier. I don't know why tbh.
Maybe just the idea of getting used to the in game deposit option alerted a subconscious alarm that regular use could cause immense tilt one day, when knowing i should probably quit while I still have a pair of pants left, but banging the deposit button because its staring at me and whispering do it, do it, do it. So maybe I never gave myself the chance to go down that route.
Yeah, you're thinking it. You're allowed an opinion. Maybe I am indeed just a weirdo.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That's what I've been using their mobile app, strange, there's like a till icon on bonanza, you press it and up comes the whill deposit process, but after the deposit is successful, the game then reloads fresh rather than just being able to rejoin the game, with the last spin result showing on screen.

Maybe it's just my system?? On the desktop version I could definitely redeposit and maintain a continuous game.

It was pissing me off as I generally like to play continuously after pausing to redeposit, but twice it's worked in my favour, when the game reloaded it was much kinder and swung me into profit land.

I liked to think of this as whill doing something inconvenient for the customer which then shoots themselves in the foot

This was on wwtbam (btg also) as well, but before the redeposit I was getting twatted.

Profit is hard to come by at whill, you have to eke something out on one of their few 96% slots remaining.

I was £35 down recently and got up over £200, 'Cleopatra plus' though did me (the rtp ranges on it from 92 to 96, I guess due to the progress aspect re the bonus) so that's on the banned list now.

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's the sort of btg trap you don't want to encounter after you've had a good win on another or other games, have a healthy balance and it rips it all.

50 spins is sometimes enough to give their games and then leave.

On william hill if you want to redeposit it reloads the game, there is no way of topping up and keeping a continuous session going (say on bonanza) while every other casino I play at lets you.

But strangely doing £5-8 deposits and playing on 20p, it can work in your favour because when it closes the game and then reloads a new start (as it were) you can find yourself having more luck than you were before.

Bonanza has certainly got an ability to bonus in the first 50 spins and then give you another, and a little deposit is just enough to get you there sometimes.

So on this cat's game, if you'd closed the game down after say a 50x loss with no bonus, and then restarted afresh you may have encountered a better version at some point, rather than a continuous play through of the whole 813x balance.

^^^hope this explanation makes sense!

Appreciate the input mack but TBH I've never bought into this notion of 'resetting your session' or starting a new session versus keeping an existing one going or anything like that, and you already know what I think about random online slots being compensated

My take on it is I've been playing with fire recently with these BTG games, and up until last night I'd been getting away with it, sooner or later HV slots are going to bite back (not through compensation but random chance) and that's what happened with King Of Cats yesterday.

It was quite an unedifying experience though, sometimes after a loss on a Friday I'll be minded to deposit again for Saturday evening but it's irritated me to the extent that I think I'll watch a film or something instead. Or maybe read a book.

 

[mack341]

Appreciate the input mack but TBH I've never bought into this notion of 'resetting your session' or starting a new session versus keeping an existing one going or anything like that, and you already know what I think about random online slots being compensated

My take on it is I've been playing with fire recently with these BTG games, and up until last night I'd been getting away with it, sooner or later HV slots are going to bite back (not through compensation but random chance) and that's what happened with King Of Cats yesterday.

It was quite an unedifying experience though, sometimes after a loss on a Friday I'll be minded to deposit again for Saturday evening but it's irritated me to the extent that I think I'll watch a film or something instead. Or maybe read a book.

I had an inkling my theory might not exactly be your cup of tea but you have mentioned games going into a hot streak iirc.

I think it's possible the reel set is randomly assigned upen loading up the game, and some are more weighted to be kind early and then tight if you stay too long, or the opposite tight with no bonuses, but if you can see out the dry spell it turns around. (The rtp would be exactly the same in the long run)

That is classic raging rhino, very rarely have I had a good first bonus, but have had so many recoveries on that game when things were looking bleak it's unbelievable, however the casinos frown upon long sessions for me now (even on minimum stake).

Had a look at that video game you mentioned, from clips on YouTube it looked good but different, I also like turn based games

 

[mack341]

Edit: fcked up there, two posts to chop when it was supposed to be 1

 

[mack341]

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

I think you're right that it's a recent change, because when it was happening I thought I'm sure I've redeposited before and stayed in the game.

I believe the sneaky bastards have also fixed 'extra chilli' to a minimum of £1 a spin rather than 20p.

I couldn't quite believe my wwtbam session, I did one correct gamble each time so just the 10 spins, but on the last bonus it was a 75% chance and I had an hmmm feeling as the previous gambles were all successful, so just settled for the 8 spins.

I think my overall profit was £80, I didn't hang around at that point!

But cleopatra plus did me, 2 sessions it has taken £100 and £80 off me on 40p, and I've got all the bonus locations open, got me thinking that I've never seen anyone actually post a big win/screenshot on here from an IGT game!

 

[justdoit]

I played on new Sister casino of Videoslots MegaRiches lot of games are missing RTP 94% no Battel, and you need lot of points to get wheel rewards 10,000 xp for level 1, you do get some money back on friday

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Had a look at that video game you mentioned, from clips on YouTube it looked good but different, I also like turn based games

It's really good, I'm about 15 hours into it already and still got loads to do, only costs £24.99 as well, unlike King Of Cats which costs £150 for three hours of grinding tedium, disappointment and misery

 

[Guntis]

But strangely doing £5-8 deposits and playing on 20p, it can work in your favour because when it closes the game and then reloads a new start (as it were) you can find yourself having more luck than you were before.

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

But then surely you just reload the slot every 50 spins, it's more likely to bonus that way apparently, and congratulations, you've just created your own enhanced RTP version of Book Of Dead!

It's like over in the Bonanza thread someone claimed they could tell within 100 spins if a Bonanza session was going to be a winner or a loser, to which my answer was, 'Cool, I presume you're therefore posting this message from your luxury yacht moored at your private island in the Seychelles'.

There is literally no reason at all for slots to even remotely function on this sort of basis, whereby reloading it makes it 'more likely to pay' or anything else. The second the designers introduce any sort of player control, or player influence, anything at all that stops a game being a simple call to a server for a random result, is the second they've just designed a game that can be exploited.

 

[Guntis]

But then surely you just reload the slot every 50 spins, it's more likely to bonus that way apparently, and congratulations, you've just created your own enhanced RTP version of Book Of Dead!

It's like over in the Bonanza thread someone claimed they could tell within 100 spins if a Bonanza session was going to be a winner or a loser, to which my answer was, 'Cool, I presume you're therefore posting this message from your luxury yacht moored at your private island in the Seychelles'.

There is literally no reason at all for slots to even remotely function on this sort of basis, whereby reloading it makes it 'more likely to pay' or anything else. The second the designers introduce any sort of player control, or player influence, anything at all that stops a game being a simple call to a server for a random result, is the second they've just designed a game that can be exploited.

It won't work surely as a clock. But if you're well familiar with the game and have played both with and without reloading it, you may notice - though not everyone does - that when you reload the game as soon as it feels too 'cold', you often get a feature quite quickly.

Also, it's quite easy to tell on this slot whether to continue playing or leave - IF, in the first 100 spins, you mostly see only the smallest symbols connecting and one of the books typically landing on the last real without another 2.

Here i'm talking about a proper version with 96.21% RTP that was available on UK sites. Those others with lowered RTPs i only ever played a few times. It just felt like robbery right from the start lol.

 

[justdoit]

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

I hade like 80p on my balance and this happen lol

 

[mack341]

When I briefly watched Nickslots for a time, he would open a game and then soon move on if he thought it was in 'dead' mode, it seemed to work well for him. He had his regular games, but he was probably doing less than a 100 spins on each.

I wouldn't say any system or observation is guaranteed, but sometimes it's better than having none.

I have definitely noticed some slot sessions present unnaturally barren gameplay at the start, no scatter teases or wins. It just feels too dead, and then 10 mins in a bonus will arrive out of nowhere, almost like it wanted to take your money quickly and push you to leave, and on average that would be the effect on most new players, they'd think fck this for a game of chance, If I don't stop playing this game I'm going to lose my whole deposit.

Rinse and repeat, and the rtp reserves are building up nicely to give one player a decent session/gameplay, which he then posts the screenshots etc.., publicity and marketing banked.

 

[Guntis]

When I briefly watched Nickslots for a time, he would open a game and then soon move on if he thought it was in 'dead' mode, it seemed to work well for him. He had his regular games, but he was probably doing less than a 100 spins on each.

I wouldn't say any system or observation is guaranteed, but sometimes it's better than having none.

I have definitely noticed some slot sessions present unnaturally barren gameplay at the start, no scatter teases or wins. It just feels too dead, and then 10 mins in a bonus will arrive out of nowhere, almost like it wanted to take your money quickly and push you to leave, and on average that would be the effect on most new players, they'd think fck this for a game of chance, If I don't stop playing this game I'm going to lose my whole deposit.

Rinse and repeat, and the rtp reserves are building up nicely to give one player a decent session/gameplay, which he then posts the screenshots etc.., publicity and marketing banked.

That's similar to how i generally play - i never stay for more than 300 spins on the same slot. I have about 5-7 games that i usually play, and i just go in a circle - play one, then the next one, etc. But i mix in a few roulette spins if my balance goes down.

 

[justdoit]

Captain Ventura same do 30 spins refresh, many times it works and drop the bonus

 

[mack341]

Captain Ventura same do 30 spins refresh, many times it works and drop the bonus

I'll give that a go the next time I get a balance that I can take a few risks with, the captain is almost a bonus buy game in effect (with the cost being variable) there is no real base game at all!

Unless you get the bonus you ain't coming out with a good result.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This thread now reminds me of this

 

[mack341]

This thread now reminds me of this

Billy bleach and I wouldn't have even needed to look that up unlike most things these days

Dave angel was another great character he played.

 

[Guntis]

This thread now reminds me of this

That's a funny video, lol. You could often see similar characters in bookies around those roulette machines when £100 per spin was allowed. They usually picked naive players with a bit of cash and called them the numbers that were about to drop after the ball was thrown.

It often worked well for them because those naive players thought those people had some trick up their sleeve and ended up sharing some winnings...

No idea how it is now, but back then you could easily tell which number was going to drop. For example, if the ball took off from zero, it always landed on one of the five neighbors (16, 24, 5, 10, 23), which are directly opposite.

And it was always like that - no matter which number the ball started from, it always landed on the opposite side - you just had to quickly spot the starting point.

But the fact was that you couldn't do anything once the bet was accepted and the ball moved, so knowing the upcoming number didn't help you win.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's a funny video, lol. You could often see similar characters in bookies around those roulette machines when £100 per spin was allowed. They usually picked naive players with a bit of cash and called them the numbers that were about to drop after the ball was thrown.

It often worked well for them because those naive players thought those people had some trick up their sleeve and ended up sharing some winnings...

No idea how it is now, but back then you could easily tell which number was going to drop. For example, if the ball took off from zero, it always landed on one of the five neighbors (16, 24, 5, 10, 23), which are directly opposite.

And it was always like that - no matter which number the ball started from, it always landed on the opposite side - you just had to quickly spot the starting point.

But the fact was that you couldn't do anything once the bet was accepted and the ball moved, so knowing the upcoming number didn't help you win.

The thing for me is that this is what talk about reloading the slot to get a 'different session', or indeed literally any 'technique' whatsoever when applied to a random game with a house edge, sounds like

You press SPIN, your client requests a result from the server's RNG, the result is generated, and it's returned to your client to display it, be it a Jammin' Jars style game scratchcard that plays out a pre-scripted sequence, or individual stop results for each reel, a pick-me round result, whatever.

That's it, that's the whole thing. Always.

So take Book Of Dead for example, you don't need a massive number of spins to determine average feature frequency and distribution within decent mathematically accurate boundaries, especially when the feature is fairly common as it is on BoD.

Give it 20K spins and track your stats into two data sets, one set is reloading the slot every 100 spins, one set is (if possible) a single extended session, or at least as close as you can get. I guarantee you'll be very close in terms of feature frequency and distribution by the end of it.

50K spins done in the same way would be margin of error closeness.

I've done quite a bit of stats-tracking on Bonanza over in the Bonanza thread, with all my numbers there for everyone to see, there are good, bad and middling sessions in there, but if you average them out, you're incredibly close to the expected feature frequency (1/460) and RTP.

 

[mack341]

The thing for me is that this is what talk about reloading the slot to get a 'different session', or indeed literally any 'technique' whatsoever when applied to a random game with a house edge, sounds like

You press SPIN, your client requests a result from the server's RNG, the result is generated, and it's returned to your client to display it, be it a Jammin' Jars style game scratchcard that plays out a pre-scripted sequence, or individual stop results for each reel, a pick-me round result, whatever.

That's it, that's the whole thing. Always.

So take Book Of Dead for example, you don't need a massive number of spins to determine average feature frequency and distribution within decent mathematically accurate boundaries, especially when the feature is fairly common as it is on BoD.

Give it 20K spins and track your stats into two data sets, one set is reloading the slot every 100 spins, one set is (if possible) a single extended session, or at least as close as you can get. I guarantee you'll be very close in terms of feature frequency and distribution by the end of it.

50K spins done in the same way would be margin of error closeness.

I've done quite a bit of stats-tracking on Bonanza over in the Bonanza thread, with all my numbers there for everyone to see, there are good, bad and middling sessions in there, but if you average them out, you're incredibly close to the expected feature frequency (1/460) and RTP.

In your specific, recent session though on that cat's game, do you think reloading the game at various points would have left you, in all probability, experiencing the same result as not?

(Given you had a pretty shocking rtp and bonus frequency?)

Do you think the same reelset is used at the start of each game load, same variance and odds of winning?

Obviously if a slot is playing well, showing promise, you wouldn't close it down and reload.

But there is almost a nothing to lose aspect to it when things are going badly.

I think I read a theory posted by somebody else on CM, ages ago, that each deposit might trigger a win/lose reaction by the casino. You do sometimes get sessions where everything you touch is successful, like all your luck has come at once (and vice versa), it's not a scientific observation just an interesting quirk of playing and winning.

If that was true (which would seem a long stretch) then it was not the reloads of the slot in my case that changed my luck but the new deposit.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

And as expected……

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

But hey, as ur a monkey up this month feel free to now deposit £1500 of your £1000 loss limit.

Fuck off responsible gambling bollox .

 

[dunover]

But hey, as ur a monkey up this month feel free to now deposit £1500 of your £1000 loss limit.

Fuck off responsible gambling bollox .

That's a loss limit masquerading as a deposit limit, very underhand, should have been cracked down on ages ago.

 

[mack341]

I'm sure most of the time it is about having some example cases to show the ukgc when they come knocking with an audit team.

'Here look at this folder, these are all customers who we've spotted with potential gambling issues on their account and imposed restrictions, reminding them of the need to gamble responsibly.'

There's no way folk aren't having long megaways sessions, or even those live casino, magic rabbit wheel games, which seem to take an age to play a few turns.