ATTN: Casino Rep Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots

goatwack

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I don't think they had much choice in the matter. I await the others' turn now that one's been caught out :cool:
 

GC_Konstantin

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...We are all aware of volatility - and if you look at any of my answers to the tin-foil hatters who claim everything is rigged, you'll see i'll defend volatility to the hilt.
However, never in the history of ever, has someone been able to turn a $500 starting balance in to $15,000 every single time they load the game. That is NOT volatility, that's demo mode...

I suppose the game in fun mode had something like 400% RTP at its lowest !
Unfortunately too many casino ppl speak about the theory before pressing a few spins...
 

goatwack

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Yes, they'll spout anything. I don't doubt this hasn't been going on for years with many or all other games, based on either us believing their expertise on the matter, or them simply never trying the games themselves.

Much like my brother duping my younger self into believing that the brown crayon before me was, in fact, made of chocolate. I didn't challenge his claims. Soon discovered it wasn't very 'chocolatey'.

I should have known better at 32, mind :mad:
 

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Yes, they'll spout anything. I don't doubt this hasn't been going on for years with many or all other games, based on either us believing their expertise on the matter, or them simply never trying the games themselves.

Much like my brother duping my younger self into believing that the brown crayon before me was, in fact, made of chocolate. I didn't challenge his claims. Soon discovered it wasn't very 'chocolatey'.

I should have known better at 32, mind :mad:
be happy it was only a crayon he said was choco flavoured he handed ya :p
 

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To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :p And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol
 

goatwack

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To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :p And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol
They think us gamblers are stupid, and won't spot such a glaring cockup :laugh:

Incidentally guys, anyone checked out that wicked new provider, ArtGame?
 

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To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :p And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol


Why? It was the demo games, not the real games, that were 'gimped'. Yes, dishonest and misleading, but I don't think they deserve to go bust.

Also many casinos have simply pulled the demo games, not the real games.
 

TheAddict

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Yeah id doubt personally that they would go bust.
Unless it was mentioned on all casinos in the future who agree to offer them to the customer, casinos who likely wouldnt be kind enough to offer something while at the same time advertised the previous concerns found here by Jasminebed, denting the profit margin by doing so.
Im sure they are working on a few (ever so slightly) lower than usual rtp games in preperation for any possibilites ;) , and the continous flow of new players will always be able to find em.
 

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Ive played gameart slots. Never played in fun mode much, but after hearing how they were gimped tried it for kick and won millions..lol

Just want to say about the gameart slots, since january 10 or so they did an update on their real money games and it is not the same, I could swear they lowered the payback %%. The slots just dont spin the same, high hundreds if not thousands off spins to get a feature, when in the past it would be rare to go 200 spins without one.

This is not just from me, ive sent 100s of players, to a few bitcoin casinos that carry them, and getting lot of reports from many of my players that they stopped playing.
 

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Ive played gameart slots. Never played in fun mode much, but after hearing how they were gimped tried it for kick and won millions..lol

Just want to say about the gameart slots, since january 10 or so they did an update on their real money games and it is not the same, I could swear they lowered the payback %%. The slots just dont spin the same, high hundreds if not thousands off spins to get a feature, when in the past it would be rare to go 200 spins without one.

This is not just from me, ive sent 100s of players, to a few bitcoin casinos that carry them, and getting lot of reports from many of my players that they stopped playing.


relax its all "Random"
 

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riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page
 

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riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page

Do you still play slots? and if so, why?
 

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Thats same mode all software providers are using when the licence issurer visit every year

How do you know these things? Do you have a camera in our office? Damn you're good... go to the papers quick and tell them it's all rigged.
The would love to hear about all this, and with all the demonstrable proof you can offer, it will be a worldwide scandal in minutes.

I look forward to you doing this soon :)
 

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riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page

I reckon that 95% of the CM members are in the 5% of people that don't turn a $200 starting balance in to a $2000 / $3000 balance every time they play
 

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I reckon that 95% of the CM members are in the 5% of people that don't turn a $200 starting balance in to a $2000 / $3000 balance every time they play

our hero math guy building these "Random" games for his own gain just makes up words that not even there and can't even edit it fast ebuf
 

GC_Konstantin

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To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so...

I don't think GameArt will go bust. Because the games were attractive and it seems like some casinos (like FortuneJack) did updated the fun play mode for these slots. I lost 5 units playing at 0.02 per spin ! :) So there been changes to fix the issue.
 

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I believe mobile version of Top Gun has 500-1000% RTP in every casino which allows you to play it demo. Like i said few weeks ago, this was the case when playing it in Paddy Power's.
Now im playing it in Slotsheaven casino and it is the same - almost every feature is full screen wilds. Demo balance is 1000 and if you dont start with max bet (125) you just can not lose!

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Started with 1 euro bet, feature triggered in 10-20 spins -> full screen wilds, 8000-9000 win. Then raised to max bet and result is in the screenshot.
 

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I believe mobile version of Top Gun has 500-1000% RTP in every casino which allows you to play it demo. Like i said few weeks ago, this was the case when playing it in Paddy Power's.
Now im playing it in Slotsheaven casino and it is the same - almost every feature is full screen wilds. Demo balance is 1000 and if you dont start with max bet (125) you just can not lose!

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Started with 1 euro bet, feature triggered in 10-20 spins -> full screen wilds, 8000-9000 win. Then raised to max bet and result is in the screenshot.
On one hand I've seen that slot go absolutely crazy wild on stream, on the other I am unable to play it in demo mode so I've been unable to test the game, be it fake RTP or not.
 

trancemonkey

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our hero math guy building these "Random" games for his own gain just makes up words that not even there and can't even edit it fast ebuf

I have no idea what that means, but whatever :)
 

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Apologies for the necroposting: I was advised to post in this thread. I have archived any links that are linked to shady websites and used the archives in this post, so there's no need to worry about it being redirected or the evidence covered up. I have found evidence that GameART is linked to Mirage Corporation N.V, an online casino operator that has had pirated games on their casinos in the past. First of all, Blue Ocean Gaming and GameART are ran by the same group, as they have the exact same telephone numbers on their websites to contact, and they also share the same seemingly little used mail server. Blue Ocean Gaming was named by the rep of 77Jackpot/1bet2bet/Tobwin, a known rogue group of casinos, as the group that provided it with software that included pirated NetEnt and Novomatic games, according to Casinomeister, here: The Best and Worst of Online Gambling for 2014.

Blue Ocean Gaming also provides slots as "Xplosive Slots", and GameART provides slots as "Lucky" for Australian players. Blue Ocean Gaming's website was registered by a "Skinise Migola" according to this list:
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, and it shows that websites like touchvegas dot com which were registered by the same person, which have the exact same phrase, namely "Our friendly customer service team is on hand to answer any questions you may have 24 hours a day, 7 days a week" - as Mirage Corporation N.V owned casinos have. A casino website called infopoint dot info which is ran by them had pirated games from c27 dot games, which is ran by the OutcomeBet group, known for hosting and selling pirated games.

By the way, if you went to the Mirage Corporation N.V owned casinos from the UK, you would see an image that says you're restricted. If you viewed one image on some of the websites, you would see it hosted on a cloudfront website, this one:
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, and if you removed the media and images bit you'd see this:
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. "TheGameProvider dot com" is a website which appears to be likely ran by the same people behind Mirage Corporation N.V and GameART, as it has images and skins of casinos linked to them, and on at least one occasion a Mirage Corporation N.V casino ran a pirated game from that website, and which was exposed here:
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GameART runs their games from a "Hypergaming Server", created by a co-founder of GameART, and which has a website here:
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. The website says that third parties are allowed to "control jackpots, freespins and configure games". I don't think a casino should be allowed to control a jackpot, since fraud would be so easy to do, and it's a wonder that GameART hasn't realised that. Maybe it's a feature for operators of rogue casinos? The co-founder of GameART in question is called Saverio Castellano and he is currently the CEO of Eurasian Gaming, which seems to be GameART but for players from Asia. GamingWorld dot net appears to be another website for Eurasian Gaming, if anyone wants to know.

By the way, speaking of something odd, a website connected to the rogue casino operators Gammix has plenty of subdomains, most of which are connected to their operations, and a list of them is here:
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. Two of these subdomains have content from Mirage Corporation N.V, and the first one is here:
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- it has content from Lucky Play Star Casino, and the second one is here:
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- for some bizarre reason igp dot cloud has left the entire "media/skins" bit in the apache server viewable by anyone, and it contains a list of casinos I believe strongly are tied to the same people behind GameART and Mirage Corporation N.V.

Two other software providers I believe are ran by the same group are SlotVision - which has the same Google Analytics ID as websites connected to the group - and Laifacai, which is connected to BCW affiliates, who are in turn connected to AKPokerClub, which was linked to the group by sharing the same registrant as some old casino websites ran by the group. The group in question likely also ran an online poker network which went bust, according to this:
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(which talks about the debts they left employees, players, and such in) and this:
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(which lists bellugo dot com as being part of the online poker network in an image).
 
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