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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Dec 5, 2006.

    Dec 5, 2006
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Sudden never ending downturns, have you suffered them?
    OK I know I know, I have banged on about this before but check this out;
    I have made 22 straight deposits at this particular Casino and no withdrawals although I have been infront briefly on just a few occasions.
    My problem is that whenever I actually hit anything and get infront I always decide to play another slot for a while untill I have got my fix with the intension of cashing out but this is what always happens....
    I start to play and can not hit a thing and so get sucked in and the pattern is exactly the same every single time.

    I played GIFT WRAP 600 spins, PAYOUT 67%
    followed by MAD HATTERS 400 spins, PAYOUT 65%


    Now I accept you are bound to lose if you continue to play but what I do'nt accept is that something that is supposed to be random can be predicted 100% (ie once the run begins it continues until I am bust)

    One more thought a slot could genuinely have a 96% payout by paying you nothing untill you are nearly bust and then keeping you around the same level for a long period of time.

    *note the feature symbol on real 1 appearing less than 1 in 80 spins for first 400 spins, random?

    I promise I will never whine about this again but any thoughts?
     
  2. Dec 5, 2006
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    GD MULTIPLE POSTS. WTF?

    I have never had this problem before when editing my posts. Why all of a sudden is it making a 2nd post when I edit it now?
     
  4. Dec 5, 2006
  5. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    1: you're chasing your losses at that particular casino.
    2: If you think that casino is unfair, why continue to deposit there? (See #1)
    3: Seems to me you're looking to get back all of your losses in one shot, as opposed to a little bit stretched across multiple sessions (again, See #1)

    That's why they call it gambling. Huge winning sessions are far and inbetween, so of course you're going to run into this same "pattern" many many many more times than you'll see an amazing winning session. That's why you need to set your sights lower on what amount you're going to cash out for. Instead of looking for a $300+ hit, settle for $100...or even $50 a shot.
    ;)
     
  6. Dec 5, 2006
  7. mtx

    mtx Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Canada
    It's true. Slots are rigged.
     
  8. Dec 5, 2006
  9. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    :lolup: :lolup: :lolup:

    Sorry, but the "Slots|Casino|Blackjack|All online casinos are rigged" card has been played so many times it isn't funny. What gets me is the ones that keep claiming it's all rigged, but yet keep playing.

    How about we *not* turn this into another "ITS RIGGED!" thread? ;)
     
  10. Dec 5, 2006
  11. mtx

    mtx Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Canada
    Actually I'm new here, but I'm starting to see how slots can ruin one's bankroll.

    I recently tried out slots for the first time and boy it was a pile of BS. Off the bat, I hit a nice win for $100 while betting max lines/max coins/minimum coin size. I then increase the coin size and proceed to lose the $100 profit in a matter of minutes. As soon as I lower the coin size back to minimum, I hit Bonus Rounds and Free Spins. Of course, during the Free Spin rounds, I hit nothing substancial, and come out with 40-50x bet size. After that, I lose everything.

    So for me, I will most likely never play slots again unless there is some lucrative bonus waiting for me. Because even with a 200% 20x bonus, I still manage to make negative profit. I don't know how many spins you need to make your money back, but I am not going down this road. I'll stick with BJ and all the other low HA games.

    Chasing the big win is just like chasing the lottery jackpot.

    Truly 1 in 14 million. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Dec 5, 2006
  13. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    You're bound to lose managing a bankroll like you did in that session...
     
  14. Dec 5, 2006
  15. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    Slots are the game with the highest house edge (well, except maybe Keno). Not only that, but that edge is characterized by frequent losing sessions punctuated by brief wins (not as erratic as video poker maybe, but erratic).

    In other words, losing is a slot's natural state.

    You mention playing just a little more, and losing wins. That's what everyone does. Let's face it, gamblers extending their sessions longer than planned is how casinos make more money.

    Any time you decide to cashout, for any reason (win or loss), will save money over the long term vs. playing longer.

    I'll admit that sometimes I've played for "revenge" against a particular shop. It never works. Just play a game you want to play, and be religious about only spending what you want to spend.
     
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  16. Dec 5, 2006
  17. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Can we make that last sentence a post of its own and pin it somewhere everyone will see it?

    I get so tired sometimes of seeing people say "slots are rigged" or "did the casino lower its payout percentage?" just because they're losing at a game that has one of the highest house advantages.

    You play the game, expect the loss ... any win on slots, I don't care how big or small, is just gravy on the biscuit.
     
  18. Dec 5, 2006
  19. 1819

    1819 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired athlete
    Location:
    ny,nj,fla
    correct! at a brick and morter a few years back, i hit 3, yes 3 royals in about 4 hours. then didnt hit another for almost 2 years playing the same amount of time there every week.
     
  20. Dec 5, 2006
  21. turkey_creek

    turkey_creek Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Florida
    I believe it is not the casino nor a rigged software, but simply a player who needs to change his playing methods.

    There is an old saying that the casino does not beat you.

    It just gives you the opportunity to beat yourself.
     
  22. Dec 5, 2006
  23. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    READ THE POST!

    As I suspected might happen you have all missed the point entirely.
    Yes of course the longer you play the more likely you are to lose,I have already said that.
    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    I do NOT expect to keep winning but I do expect that after one win that I would then suffer the normal ups and downs, though more often with a general slow downward trend...and maybe just once in a while another win.
    What I am experiencing does not reflect this.
    Yes I should of cashed out the moment I hit a win but I do NOT chase my losses(that would take a very very very long time).Like most gamblers I play for fun and hope that I get the occasional win to cover some of the cost.
    I only play another slot if I have won before I've had enough "playing time" and always set out to play until my bankroll has gone down to a certain amount or I have played for a certain length of time.
    Then I play and typically dont get a win *2 above my stake and no feature for maybe 200+spins.That does not sound so outrageous but time after time after time the same thing after a win.BS!
    What some of you seem to be saying is that if I hit a win it is then natural to go on an UN-NATURAL losing streak?
    I have now closed my account with this Casino.
     
  24. Dec 5, 2006
  25. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    READ THE POST!

    As I suspected might happen you have all missed the point entirely.
    Yes of course the longer you play the more likely you are to lose,I have already said that.
    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    I do NOT expect to keep winning but I do expect that after one win that I would then suffer the normal ups and downs, though more often with a general slow downward trend...and maybe just once in a while another win.
    What I am experiencing does not reflect this.
    Yes I should of cashed out the moment I hit a win but I do NOT chase my losses(that would take a very very very long time).Like most gamblers I play for fun and hope that I get the occasional win to cover some of the cost.
    I only play another slot if I have won before I've had enough "playing time" and always set out to play until my bankroll has gone down to a certain amount or I have played for a certain length of time.
    Then I play and typically dont get a win *2 above my stake and no feature .That does not sound so outrageous but time after time after time the same thing after a win. BS!
    What some of you seem to be saying is that if I hit a win it is then natural to go on an UN-NATURAL losing streak?
    I have now closed my account with this Casino.
     
  26. Dec 5, 2006
  27. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Technical
    Location:
    Planet Earth
    To assume the full average payout of a slot, you need to play enough to hit all outcomes at their expected rate... including the jackpot. Depending on the slot, a good amount of the overall average payout may or may not be tied into those rare hits that you may never get.
     
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  28. Dec 5, 2006
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Variance

    The problem is variance, some slots have very high variance, and this can mean that even a medium session of 500 spins can miss the bigger hits and pay at around 50% or so. Very occasionally, hits on these high variance slota can be massive, like my recent 8500+ on Thunderstruck, which has taken over 2 years to experience. Also this year I have had big hits with 5 scatters, again for pretty large sums of money.
    Last night, I worked a 50 bonus up to 1100, and then back to 1000 with a few 5.25 spins before deciding that cashing out might end up being the best option, before I ended up achieving my original objective, which was to play off the small 50 bonus!

    Despite this, I am not quite convinced that the randomness is total in the online games. I often find that the feature slots will go into a pattern of dropping only one scatter every 3 spins or so, and never the two. This pattern seems to run like a stuck record for a large number of spins, say 400 to 600, before two scatters start dropping in on a regular basis. At this point the tales diverge, in one case the scatters die back to one every few spins, and in the other a three drop in that begins a cluster of bonus rounds before the slot dies again. The outcomes of the bonus rounds themselves seem unrelated to this pattern, but I will be far more likely to play slots that drop pairs of scatters on a regular basis than those that keep dropping just the one. With reelbands the size they are, I find the length of these runs rather odd, as also the nuber of times scatters fall on the 4th an 5th reel, which is far longer than the first three.
    Proving this pattern theory is near impossible, as it would be necesary to examine hundreds of thousands of spins looking for an undue weighting in the reel stops. However, we have recently discovered that not all casino games are what they seem, so why should it be illogical to suggest that other games may not be a presented (such as slot "pick" bonus rounds, or VP gamble features in MG casinos).
     
  30. Dec 5, 2006
  31. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Ok, you might think I am nuts and thats ok, but every gambler has their own system and mine is that when I hit a "GOOD" win at any given casino, I would play a few more spins and if it went cold, I would log out for about 5 minutes, get a cup of tea or something to keep me from logging back in too early...and I find that doing this somehow keeps the winning streak alive.

    If i hit another good win, I repeat this...(odd thing is my husband does the same I have noticed and he also cashes out quite frequently when on a good run). But if I stayed, I would end up giving it all back for the casino itself no matter what I played, blackjack, slots, cards....(not just the slots) would run really cold and clean me out within a short period of time.
     
  32. Dec 6, 2006
  33. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I would bounce between single hand BJ and multi-hand BJ (still playing one hand) when the cards went cold....and it usually worked if you were getting killed by the dealer.
     
  34. Dec 6, 2006
  35. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    The reason for this is when the casino cycles through ( I think one of the casino managers says every few minutes the servers recycle and update (reason it asks you to wait 1-5 minutes to log back in when you get booted off too to wait for the recycling) the updates, I feel as long as I am off the system during this time, I have a better chance of hitting another good hit.

    When you do this, you are still logged into the system. Just a thought.:D
    I would still log out just to "see" after a nice hit to keep from losing it back and maybe gaining more.
     
  36. Dec 6, 2006
  37. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Hmmm

    Are the servers updating the reason my Mouse pointer changes to an egg timer from time to time?Is this normal?
     
  38. Dec 6, 2006
  39. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    That usually describes a lag between you and the server...
     

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