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bryand

Beach Bum
Joined
Jan 9, 2008
Location
Just Across the Hudson River
Dear Rival,

Please stop sending me free chips unless the WR is less than 10X. Also, stop offering me deposit bonuses with WR greater than 5X (D+B). Otherwise they are a big waste of time and energy because your slots are tighter than ant's ass.

Sincerely,
A Former Player
 

chuchu59

gambling addict
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SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
I can understand Bryand and the frustration he encounters in meeting the tough WRs. However, if the WRs he wants applies only to birthday freebies, he has a point.
 

De Beuker

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 20, 2009
Location
Netherlands
Dear Rival,

Please stop sending me free chips unless the WR is less than 10X. Also, stop offering me deposit bonuses with WR greater than 5X (D+B). Otherwise they are a big waste of time and energy because your slots are tighter than ant's ass.

Sincerely,
A Former Player
You are very optimistic with 5x (D+B).
I could not even come close to that with my last 5 deposits!:rolleyes:
 

classymom

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 2, 2007
Location
Port St lucie Florida
I agree on the Birthday bonuses - I also agree some of the W/R are getting unattainable - but we also have the choice not to take them.

Casino's have the right to put any T/C they want on a bonus - we don't have to take it. I have many times kicked myself for winning something big on a free bonus, but playing on the free bonus saved me money because I didn't have to deposit my money so I felt ahead.
 

bryand

Beach Bum
Joined
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Location
Just Across the Hudson River
I agree on the Birthday bonuses - I also agree some of the W/R are getting unattainable - but we also have the choice not to take them.

Casino's have the right to put any T/C they want on a bonus - we don't have to take it. I have many times kicked myself for winning something big on a free bonus, but playing on the free bonus saved me money because I didn't have to deposit my money so I felt ahead.
I am actually very grateful to Rival for all the free chips. Everytime I play one reminds me not to waste my money.
 

Wildfire7

Dormant account
Joined
Apr 9, 2006
Location
UK
Probably best to opt out the bonus schemes altogether, that way if you do see a promotion thats running that you like, you can always opt back in.

Even a 100% match bonus with a lower playthrough does not guarentee twice the playing time. What it usually means is you need to play 15 or 20 times longer just to protect your own initial stake.

Having studied KK's logs I notice that hes treating the bonus as his money, grinding out every . Lets face it if many of us are honest we get a bonus and relax too much because we see it as free money, then once the bonus has gone struggle to meet playthrough just to get the initial stake back.

For me bonuses are good if taken less frequently say once per month. If relied upon as a way to boost winning expectations then they can spell trouble for the less disciplined players.

X 5DB just isn't going to happen, if it did the carrot would be swayed too heavily in the players favour. The donkey always takes the carrot if it is dangling, so a X 15DB provides the ideal carrot, because the player knows he has a chance.

Mike
 

Balky

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2007
Location
Croatia
I gladly take their free chips, even with a big playthrough. That means entertainment for free and you can still cash out if you have a nice hit. Plus the comps add up which eventually gives you a few additional bucks.
If you take 10 $ with a 50x WR, thats still only 500 to play through. I managed several times to cash out on such offers.

Cheers Balky
 

nisosbar

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Right here
I gladly take their free chips, even with a big playthrough. That means entertainment for free and you can still cash out if you have a nice hit. Plus the comps add up which eventually gives you a few additional bucks.
If you take 10 $ with a 50x WR, thats still only 500 to play through. I managed several times to cash out on such offers.

Cheers Balky
I agree - I will take and play with any free money. Though I will say that part of my decision as to with whom to deposit is 'which casinos reward players with free chips that have the least restrictive terms?'. For example, I find Slotocash and Lion Slots free chips to have the MOST potential value, since they have lower WR's and (so far, and most importantly) no max cashout.
 

Tengil

Senior Member
Joined
May 4, 2006
Location
Finland
I am actually very grateful to Rival for all the free chips. Everytime I play one reminds me not to waste my money.
Same here.

Rival must have the worst features ever. On Scary Rich over 60 features with average payout under 15xbet, and only 4 paying over 100xbet and none over 200x (includes 3 times three vampires). ATRT3 over 50 featuees (free spins) and average under 10xbet and not a single one over 100x. And then there are the "standard" slots that pay 3-4xbet.

Overall Rival has by far been the worst performing software ever. It also gives a very "cheap" feeling, the graphics are so last century. And the game history sucks big time.
 

Wildfire7

Dormant account
Joined
Apr 9, 2006
Location
UK
I quite agree playthrough is less important when you are talking small no deposit chips like 10. Because even if you are betting all lines for the minimum stake you are still overbetting the optimum amount ideally suited to a bankroll that small. Which means that WR will be completed quickly (or more likely bust out quickly).

Problem is many of these bonuses that are on offer come with a minimum deposit usually 25 or 50. Now when your talking x15 or more playthrough, the WR rockets exponentially.

Free ND chips are all good and well, but you can't play off free chips all the time and never expect to risk your own funds. Before you know it your signed up at hundreds of outfits and are exposed to all sorts of marketing crap!

Mike
 

jelsmith

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3dice does

3dice has the lowest WR on any free chip. While my wins are few and far between there at least they are reasonable with WR. I dont even think I have seen anything higher than 10x and those are rare. 5x is the usual and its only the d+B up to the bonus amount not the whole kit and caboodle. :thumbsup:
 

winbig

Keep winning this amount.
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Location
Pennsylvania
I don't know how I did it but I managed to turnover a $7 free thanksgiving chip with 50x WR into the max cashout of $56 ($63 - $7) at Vegas Regal..

I managed to grind it out and get lucky on fixer upper and SR1 to get my balance to $300+ then spun at $5 and $10 a spin to finish the WR. Still waiting on my QT withdrawal; but it's only been 2 days
 

eu_lowroller

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Location
Austria
I don't know how I did it but I managed to turnover a $7 free thanksgiving chip with 50x WR into the max cashout of $56 ($63 - $7) at Vegas Regal..
As i mentioned some weeks in another thread before.

I had also very much luck with the ND bonus on Tradition casino which was a 30.- bonus with an amazing 100x WR, on which i never thought, that i could make it even 10% or so, but although i play<ed only with 20 cent bets, i could make the playthrough of 3.000.- and also cash out 150.- (max cashout) from this ND bonus, so it IS possible, but it's certainly very hard and rarly to make it ;)
 

Balky

Senior Member
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Location
Croatia
My bonus ban in Rival casinos was triggered by several wins on promotions with a WR of 30x or more. As long as I was only depositing they kept offering tons of bonusses, golden VIP status etc. but after I made a few withdrawals (actually it was a lot of cashouts in a short time, but still with huge WR) they cut all promotions. I asked one or the reps about the bonus ban and was told that I cashed out immediately after meeting the playthrough. Hell, after playing through 35x deposit plus bonus, should I continue until I lose it all back? I think its a weird strategy. Since I wont play highvariance slots without a bonus, I will stay ahead in the casinos that banned me and spend my money in sloto and the Rivals that unbanned me manually.

Balky
 

AussieDave

Banned User
Joined
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Location
Australia
This is just a generalised point of view and not directly related to Rival.

However I changed my playing style to not generally take bonuses. Even if I'm dropping $100 and a bonus may give an extra $50 or $100 I still resist a bonus.

I've changed to this thought process 6 months ago. Since then I can cash out when I want, play what I want and all in all I've had better success. Nothing worse than hitting a good win and having to put most of that back because your bound by a WR.


Cheers

Dave
 

4 of a kind

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Just about all bonuses are a complete waste of time. The few reasonable ones I tried, not only was I forced to play just slots, I was never ever close to a cash out.

I know there are some rare people here that can show me a decent cash (over 1k) with a bonus, but usually there petty cash outs.

If bonuses were not in favor of the house, you could be certain they wouldn't be offered. I believe they actually knock the pay out percentages to even a lower % then they already are online.
 

kakata

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I dont believe they lower any %.
By stretching your game for a longer time they just "receive " more edge that they would on just fewer spins, bets.
The longer you play the better is for the casino...I think .
just my opinion.
 

4 of a kind

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I dont believe they lower any %.
By stretching your game for a longer time they just "receive " more edge that they would on just fewer spins, bets.
The longer you play the better is for the casino...I think .
just my opinion.


Yes, that's actually what I meant. Assume you hit early for $1200.00, most people would give back two and cash 1K. But when you have 4K more to cover by the time you cover you probably have peanuts left and just piss the rest away. Bonuses are just a way to stretch your play time for minimal personal risk.

I like to come in hard, play the games I like hard, and take my lumps hard.

I wonder why online never took the road B&M's take. You earn cold cash based on your play. I remember not cashing in my comp points after a couple of visits to the Taj., my wife went to the comp card machine and got over 1K in cash. In those days I always was comped for R.F.B., and I guess nothing ever came from our comp points. After that I starting checking every time we went back LOL.

Bonuses for online casinos is just there way of milking the small depositor. Put a few million people on that list and I would guess there doing just fine with it. It certainly is not for the benefit of the player.
 

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