CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

[Casinomeister]

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

...when we practice to deceive.

It's Sunday, and most of the members and everyone else are aware that this place is my job, and I don't work Sundays. Not unless something drags me away from whatever the hell I'm doing - something important enough that I feel compelled to respond.

There are some things that are really bothering me. No way in hell, would any knowledgeable "owner" of Crownvegas - or any other casino for that matter, would come out and say "If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me." to "greedygirl" - especially in a public forum. You're the "owner" of this casino? No you ain't. Because if you were, you would know how badly you effed up there. We'll talk about this on the phone tomorrow. I don't buy your pathetic excuse you gave tap dancing out of that one.

Like Jetset said, you seem to be very inexperienced - I'll take it a notch further - you seemed to have lost your mind. How could any RTG owner/operator/manager whatever not know who Brian Goodman is? Hes been in this business for years.

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino WTF? Take five minutes out and check her posts in her profiles, or do a search at some of the popular message boards and you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, sometimes not so ordinary But catch my drift, don't make accusations against people who have a history here they will make you look like an ass.

And again referring to Jetsets posts, you've set some things in motion to find out WTF is going on. This is no EZY board (sorry ezy boarders) where managers post some PR fluff trying to get out of a sticky situations; this board is visited by people who have deep contacts in this business. If there is anything that will surface - it will.

By the way, our casinocruser and dan@allslots at Startcasino have the same IPs. Busted.

Anyway, we'll talk about this more tomorrow. But just a heads up that I don't like what I see at all.

 

[jinnia]

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

Done!

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino - you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, not sometimes not so ordinary.

I must agree 100% on that



This CV person has tee'd me off to the point, that I WILL be spending a large amount of time looking into everything on him/the casino now, just as with the other ---------.

 

[mary]

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[krystall]

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[CrownVegas]

...when we practice to deceive.

It's Sunday, and most of the members and everyone else are aware that this place is my job, and I don't work Sundays. Not unless something drags me away from whatever the hell I'm doing - something important enough that I feel compelled to respond.

Ther are some things that are really bothering me. No way in hell, would any knowledgeable "owner" of Crownvegas - or any other casino for that matter, would come out and say "If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me." to "greedygirl" - especially in a public forum. You're the "owner" of this casino? No you ain't. Because if you were, you would know how badly you effed up there. We'll talk about this on the phone tomorrow. I don't buy your pathetic excuse you gave tap dancing out of that one.

Like Jetset said, you seem to be very inexperienced - I'll take it a notch further - you seemed to have lost your mind. How could any RTG owner/operator/manager whatever not know who Brian Goodman is? Hes been in this business for years.

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino WTF? Take five minutes out and check her posts in her profiles, or do a search at some of the popular message boards and you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, sometimes not so ordinary But catch my drift, don't make accusations against people who have a history here they will make you look like an ass.

And again referring to Jetsets posts, you've set some things in motion to find out WTF is going on. This is no EZY board (sorry ezy boarders) where managers post some PR fluff trying to get out of a sticky situations; this board is visited by people who have deep contacts in this business. If there is anything that will surface - it will.

By the way, our casinocruser and dan@allslots at Startcasino have the same IPs. Busted.

Anyway, we'll talk about this more tomorrow. But just a heads up that I don't like what I see at all.

While you attempt to address many points, you took my comments out of context and I even clarified them. I was merely stating that instead of attacking me WITHOUT proof, she should spend her time doing other things.
Yet I don't see once where you address the issue of them accusing me of being someone else, or actually composing some of the stuff on other forums or whatever. What are your thoughts on that? And again, your comments on Unicorn, yes SHE/HE was falsely accusing me of being someone I'm not, the only reason someone would do that if they have alterative motives. Yet, once again, no comments on that. Ah yes Mr Brian Goodman, another accusation from one of the posters, accusing me of being in his group based on some reverse ip lookup and connecting his sites to mine.

What's funny, is the only thing that concerns me was having people associate Rick or whoever else is making posts here and other forums with still being part of CV. Many issues have sidetracked this. I do know that whoever has contacted me has gotten the full story, and I don't even know if it's worth repeating for the 100th time, since some of the posters here have selective reading habits, but feel free to PM me for the toll free number or icq or whatever. I'll try posting it in in foreign languages soon.

Tony

 

[mary]

I don't bother pm'ing or calliing on the phone because there's no point in it. Since I've never heard "Rick's" voice what good would hearing Tony's voice do? Since i've never seen "Rick's" id, what good would it do to see Tony's?

The best course of action for Tony would have been to stop posting. He has no means of proving that he is not Rick, and has made plenty of posts that prove that his is Rick. Matching ip addresses, matching attacks in content, identical phraseology, accusing others of doing what he is doing, identical level of ignorance with respect to the identities of webmasters and regualr posters; look at this earlier thread of "Ricks" and you'll see what I mean. Even the posting format is the same: a big quote block followed by a single paragraph.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/

 

[CrownVegas]

I don't bother pm'ing or calliing on the phone because there's no point in it. Since I've never heard "Rick's" voice what good would hearing Tony's voice do? Since i've never seen "Rick's" id, what good would it do to see Tony's?

The best course of action for Tony would have been to stop posting. He has no means of proving that he is not Rick, and has made plenty of posts that prove that his is Rick. Matching ip addresses, matching attacks in content, identical phraseology, accusing others of doing what he is doing, identical level of ignorance with respect to the identities of webmasters and regualr posters; look at this earlier thread of "Ricks" and you'll see what I mean. Even the posting format is the same: a big quote block followed by a single paragraph.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/

Mary, it's a good idea to get your facts straight before you present an arguement. One, there's no way Rick and I use the same ip. Second, you must be a regular Sherlock Holmes, we both speak english, I guess I type the same way as 1 billion other english speaking people, YOU GOT ME!!! You don't have my personality pegged, don't even try it. I already spoke to several posters from this thread, so you can continue on with your childish antics, I think people will figure you out.

 

[unicorn40]

Mary, it's a good idea to get your facts straight before you present an arguement.... You don't have my personality pegged, don't even try it. I already spoke to several posters from this thread, so you can continue on with your childish antics, I think people will figure you out.

Mr.Tony come lately,

Mary has been an online gaming presence for a LONG time, at least 5 years. She has a vast amount of knowledge about this industry. Getting 'facts straight' is one of her strong points. Mary is well respected by many people in the industry, and the owner of this board is one of them.

Speaking of getting facts straight, I do NOT have any involvement with ANY casino, and never have. That is what YOU accused me of earlier on this thread. So my advice to YOU, Tony, Rick, or whatever, is for YOU to get YOUR facts straight before you post.

 

[CrownVegas]

Mr.Tony come lately,

Mary has been an online gaming presence for a LONG time, at least 5 years. She has a vast amount of knowledge about this industry. Getting 'facts straight' is one of her strong points. Mary is well respected by many people in the industry, and the owner of this board is one of them.

Speaking of getting facts straight, I do NOT have any involvement with ANY casino, and never have. That is what YOU accused me of earlier on this thread. So my advice to YOU, Tony, Rick, or whatever, is for YOU to get YOUR facts straight before you post.

I know it probably takes me repeating myself 10+ times to you, but I am not rick. If you claim I'm someone else, why can't I claim you're someone else? Oh so you're denying you have no involvement in any casino? So we should all just take your 'word' for it? Mary may be well respected, but that still doesn't make what she says right. Especially when I point out the faults in her arguements. Seriously, why do you continue to go on with this? Try answering anyone of my questions as well, I'd be seriously surprised if you could.

 

[unicorn40]

I know it probably takes me repeating myself 10+ times to you... Oh so you're denying you have no involvement in any casino? So we should all just take your 'word' for it?... Seriously, why do you continue to go on with this? Try answering anyone of my questions as well, I'd be seriously surprised if you could.

You continually respond to everyone who questions you with abrasive and belittling replies. Since you claim to be a 'casino owner', I would think you would show more professionalism than that on a public forum. And I obviously would be wrong.

I can just imagine how you would respond to a player that had a 'problem' with Crown Vegas, based on your responses here.

Fortunately for me, I will NEVER be in that situation with Crown Vegas.

 

[mary]

According to the timeline you've presented, these posts were by your disgruntled employee. They sure don't look like disgruntled employee posts. If Rick is busy using his Crown Vegas internet connection to drum up future business for himself, why is he bothering touting the change of ownership and criticizing Webber's site?

19th July 2005, 04:05 PM
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Quote:
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Been around for awhile - RTG software - was a sister casino to Crown Vegas at one time but present ownership not confirmed.



Sunset Palace is a sister casino to Crown Vegas. Both are under new management, expect to see some exciting player offers and new games shortly.

Cheers
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#7 19th July 2005, 04:12 PM
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Quote:
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Haven't played at that one myself, but doesn't seem the most credible of casinos. We rank it a 58, which is quite low.



This 'ranking' is meaningless as I have never even heard of your site until now. Much of the information including bonuses offered at many sites are outdated.

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Rick

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[CrownVegas]

You continually respond to everyone who questions you with abrasive and belittling replies. Since you claim to be a 'casino owner', I would think you would show more professionalism than that on a public forum. And I obviously would be wrong.

I can just imagine how you would respond to a player that had a 'problem' with Crown Vegas, based on your responses here.

Fortunately for me, I will NEVER be in that situation with Crown Vegas.

of course you didn't answer my questions..nice attempt.

 

[CrownVegas]

According to the timeline you've presented, these posts were by your disgruntled employee. They sure don't look like disgruntled employee posts. If Rick is busy using his Crown Vegas internet connection to drum up future business for himself, why is he bothering touting the change of ownership and criticizing Webber's site?

First, Rick was not using our Crown Vegas internet connection. Second, I don't speak to him, I don't know his motives. I do know he thought he would still be working with us under new ownership, probably bad hindsight on his part. If he decides to post positive things about us, or negative, it's very hard to control, at first he may have been thinking he might still have a chance of job security, then realizing not he started this mess. Here, how about this, tomorrow I will pm you my number, we'll schedule a time to talk and you can ask any questions you want instead of providing comedic material to all the readers on the forums.

 

[mary]

Here, how about this, tomorrow I will pm you my number, we'll schedule a time to talk and you can ask any questions you want instead of providing comedic material to all the readers on the forums.

Please don't bother. Anything useful you can say to me, you can share with everybody. You didn't have any trouble insulting people publically in many ways--you can clean it up publically.

You can also drop all the legal posturing. Nobody ever sues anybody over message board posts, it's neither cost effective nor enforceable for all practical purposes.

So, you've changed the story about Rick. In your first version, Rick was disgruntled and posting to gather player information for his own marketing purposes--which would only make sense if he was planning on *not* being at Crown Vegas after the change in ownership or had already been let go (implied in the term "disgruntled")

During this time he also freely insults other posters which you have explained as an effort to tarnish Crown Vegas's image.

Now you hypothesize that he was planning on staying and was posting both positive marketing statements and soliciting player information on behalf of Crown Vegas, even though he had no authorization from Crown Vegas to do so. Where does the act of insulting people fit into this picture?

It's got to be one or the other, both doesn't make sense. Unless, of course, you are he trying to back away from "his" public relations gaffes. Meanwhile, you seem to be doing a good job of replicating such gaffes with thouroughly unfounded accusations of your own. You could have spared yourself considerable embarrassment if you had taken the time to read prior posts made by myself, Unicorn, Greedy Girl, Jinnia, Caruso et al.

 

[jamiester]

just finished reading thru this whole thread...

and I have to hand it to Tony; he's hanging in there pretty well. I don't play at CV (can't) and I usually get very frustrated at casinorep's noninvolved nonreplies to threads in these fora, but I am having trouble not siding with Tony. Now, I am nobody and know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes, but strictly from an argumentative point of view, Tony is looking a lot stronger. The mob seems to have jumped to a conclusion that it is unwilling to realistically assess (is Tony really Rick?). The tenacity to which people hold this view, coupled with their unwillingness to contact Tony, only lend credence to his claims that there are ulterior motives at play here. Tony seems to be sticking to his story pretty well, as far as I can see.
IF Tony and Rick are indeed different people, then Tony has been MORE than patient in continuing to respond to such vitriol, and the slight acerbicity of his responses well justified. I know if I were he and that were the case, I would be much less gracious (but then again, I am just a junkie, not a casino operator, so perhaps more should be expected).
Of course, it may be the case that they are one and the same person, in which case Mary's psychological analysis was as hiliarious as it was spot on. Nonetheless, until further data is in: I vote for Tony. Given the situation, his side is more convincing so far, to me.

 

[jetset]

I sense we're seeing a classic attempt at obfuscation in these illogical CV responses.

Taking it right down to the fundamentals, why would a fired or "let go" employee so actively promote the interests of the company that had kicked him out? It doesn't make sense, and the timeframes only underline that.

This CV/SP argument, like the suggestion that a phone call or ICQ will give it credibility just doesn't hold water.

But I'd bet some interesting information will shortly be forthcoming.

 

[caruso]

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/?t=8843

These postings on 19th July, two days before I posted this thread, are either the postings of the casino manager, or someone posing magnificently as him. If Rick were simply posing as such, what was the benefit? There had been no comment about these data base purchase shinnanigans at that point, and absolutely no reason I can see for him to behave in a non-genuine manner.

I can see no other explanation than Rick is the manager of the casino. To say "I don't know why he did this" isn't sufficient in the face of the evidence: these posts were made on July 19th; I posted in the Start Casino thread on July 21st; on July 19th there was no possible reason for any posing of any kind. On July 19th everything was ticking over just fine, and noone had any reason to impersonate anyone else. Now, yes. Then, no. Those July 19th postings in that other thread can only be from someone high up in the organization.

 

[CrownVegas]

and I have to hand it to Tony; he's hanging in there pretty well. I don't play at CV (can't) and I usually get very frustrated at casinorep's noninvolved nonreplies to threads in these fora, but I am having trouble not siding with Tony. Now, I am nobody and know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes, but strictly from an argumentative point of view, Tony is looking a lot stronger. The mob seems to have jumped to a conclusion that it is unwilling to realistically assess (is Tony really Rick?). The tenacity to which people hold this view, coupled with their unwillingness to contact Tony, only lend credence to his claims that there are ulterior motives at play here. Tony seems to be sticking to his story pretty well, as far as I can see.
IF Tony and Rick are indeed different people, then Tony has been MORE than patient in continuing to respond to such vitriol, and the slight acerbicity of his responses well justified. I know if I were he and that were the case, I would be much less gracious (but then again, I am just a junkie, not a casino operator, so perhaps more should be expected).
Of course, it may be the case that they are one and the same person, in which case Mary's psychological analysis was as hiliarious as it was spot on. Nonetheless, until further data is in: I vote for Tony. Given the situation, his side is more convincing so far, to me.

Thanks, well I'm not sure it has dawned yet on many people that maybe, just maybe, the reason I am in such denial and posting so often with explanations is that in fact the story is really true. What's funny is, people expect me to have reasons why Rick posted X on X date and why he would post other things. I will repeat again since this fact seems to be constantly forgotten, Rick can post whatever he wants on any board and I would have no control. I will REPEAT again for those who have trouble understanding my english. Rick, with his own motives, was doing the posting. Is that point understood to Caruso/Mary/Jetset?

So if he was being nice about CV or trying to help people with CV to gain their confidence so he could steal them to his own direction, or post on other forums looking for databases, he was doing it under his own FREE WILL. And to mary, I have NOT changed my story, your interpration though keeps changing. You kept asking me why he would be nice, I was giving you my opinion based on what's happened. There's no way I can know for sure since that would require me contacting him and at this time I've been advised not to. So, I'll repeat certain points, I know I have to for some of you, Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head, there is no way I can know for sure why/what/where/when he was/is/has posted/posting/posts. He 'MAY' have thought at one point he was going to be able to get his job back, or, he may have wanted people to trust him by pretending to be nice so he could do more deals for his personal gain. He 'MAY' have been insulting people because it was made public of his intentions, or maybe he got mad at some people, or maybe he's a schizo. I have no idea.

I know everyone who's contacted me thus far has found my postings amusing and sides with me because they see several posters here consistently not understanding points that are repeated over and over again.

 

[Vesuvio]

Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head...

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

 

[CrownVegas]

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us. I've wanted to do that from the start, and one of the reasons I am so passionate in my arguements is because I understand the value of the opinions of people here which is why I take the time to respond and try to clear things up.

 

[thelawnet]

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us.

Has this been done?

Last I remember there were some unanswered questions, although the thread has faded from view.

 

[rudepete]

Very disturbed about what is going on.......

I have been playing at Crown Vegas for some time now and have been following this latest post and I am quite disturbed by it.
I feel this is no way for a casino to act or conduct business and I am through with them.
You know it is weird but before I even came here and read these many posts I knew something was up. Before coming here I just played $120 there at 20 cents (most of the time) per spin and couldn't get crap.
I have never had this happen here. It was a bonus coupon I used and I usually can meet the wagering requirements or get dang close. This was an absolute first for me at this particular casino. That is why I wondered what the heck was going on. So I came here to see if others mentioned it and I found this huge problem going on with the supposed manager or owner of Crown Vegas and all the junk associated with him.
I sit here shaking my head. I have lost all faith now and will take it off my computer. No more the loyal player.
I felt somewhat secure playing and deposting at certain casinos and now I don't feel secure any longer and I am seriously considering dropping all of them off my computer and just save up my money for the land based casinos close to me in Canada or Detroit.
Crown Vegas, you know who I am and I damn well don't care if you lock me out or whatever you do to disgruntled players, but you have lost one here, which, if you have so many I guess it won't matter much. Name is the same....
I am not sore about losing the money as much as I am really mad about the crap that is being put out here.

 

[Rebel2k5]

I joined this forum because it's been a month since my withdrawal request from Crown Vegas, and I still don't have the money.

I've been told a check has been sent about 10 times now. Then the next day, they say it will go out soon.

 

[peteyweestro]

so what ever happened with this scenario anyways?????

 

[steinhaug]

That would be fun to know! Another ones of theese classic threads it seems!