CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

[CrownVegas]

Wow. Little credibility?

I think you are making a very big mistake here. Not only does Greedygirl have complete credibility, she also has great influence, and it's based on her reputation.

You have picked the wrong person to antagonize.

How can she have credibility, she's claiming I'm someone else with no facts. I am not Rick and I am willing to talk to her on the phone to prove it. I can give her any information she wants. I'm sorry, I do have a bit of a legal background, so it's my nature to point out faults and unfactual details. Since she wants to presume I'm someone else, why can't I presume the same about her? I think she claimed she was 'fair' but seriously, she's been known to have anti rtg views, then falsely attacks me. I don't want to antagonize anyone, I'm here disputing baseless claims.

 

[mary]

. If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.

So much for the disgruntled ex employee story.

I take it you'd still be a casino manager if it weren't for those meddling kids?


(note to international audience: that's a reference to Scooby Doo the cartoon.)

 

[casinocruiser]

So much for the disgruntled ex employee story.

I take it you'd still be a casino manager if it weren't for those meddling kids?


(note to international audience: that's a reference to Scooby Doo the cartoon.)

I am trying to be neutral here, but what one thing have to do with the other?? How would his comment relate to him having or not having a disgruntled ex employee. There sure is a lot of drama here for an online community discussion board.

 

[mary]

Hmm, post number three of a new poster in defense of a guy who creates new user names on message boards... note the use of the term "drama", just as was used by the supposedly-no-longer-Crown Vegas-employee-named-Rick.

Rick my man, do you really think you're fooling anybody at this point?

Let's make this really clear for the studio audience, since Rick aka CrownVegas aka Greedy Girl aka Casino Cruiser has trouble with his poses:

*Rick, manager of Crown Vegas, posts at Start Casino advertising for player information (July 6th)

*The real Greedy Girl criticizes him for it; as do others, but he seems to have a thing for Greedy Girl as evidenced by:

*"Greedy Girl" postings on Start Casino

Also, here "Crown Vegas" posts claiming that "Rick" no longer works for Crown Vegas--though he mysteriously continues to have Internet access from the same servers.

*Crown Vegas attacks Greedy Girl in much the same personal vein as Rick did.

*"Rick" and "Crown Vegas" both use commas the same way, "Crown Vegas" and "Casino Cruiser" both use the term "drama" the same way.

Wanting to buy player information was pretty bad. But throwing out the bs "disgruntled employee" story and then digging yourself in deeper with multiple bogus identities--that can't even be portrayed in a consistent or credible manner--that's just insulting everybody's intelligence at this point. Do the world a favor, get a job that doesn't involve keyboards.

Psychological note: the use of the term "drama" is quite interesting, as we do in fact have an individual performing multiple roles in a drama of his own making. In fact, we are seeing some interesting self-criticism here; a more self-aware and properly functioning personality would in fact have avoided creating all this drama recognizing it as a self-defeating act for his purposes. Clearly, the portrayal of self as a successful businessman is far too artificial a pose to be sustained under even the very limited requirements of text online.

 

[mary]

Anyway, back on topic.

So, Tony aka Crown Vegas, what is your policy on buying player lists for promotional purposes?

Are you interested in buying lists with phone numbers?

Players hate getting phone calls from gambling companies. Tends to tip off the spouse, for one thing.

You might want to keep in mind that many players use unique email addresses for each casino enrollment so as to keep track of who is selling and who is buying their information and players do share that information.

Players also notice if they receive spam from a casino that they've never enrolled in.

I know I'll notice if I get any email from Crown Vegas.

 

[CrownVegas]

Hmm, post number three of a new poster in defense of a guy who creates new user names on message boards... note the use of the term "drama", just as was used by the supposedly-no-longer-Crown Vegas-employee-named-Rick.

Rick my man, do you really think you're fooling anybody at this point?

Let's make this really clear for the studio audience, since Rick aka CrownVegas aka Greedy Girl aka Casino Cruiser has trouble with his poses:

*Rick, manager of Crown Vegas, posts at Start Casino advertising for player information (July 6th)

*The real Greedy Girl criticizes him for it; as do others, but he seems to have a thing for Greedy Girl as evidenced by:

*"Greedy Girl" postings on Start Casino

Also, here "Crown Vegas" posts claiming that "Rick" no longer works for Crown Vegas--though he mysteriously continues to have Internet access from the same servers.

*Crown Vegas attacks Greedy Girl in much the same personal vein as Rick did.

*"Rick" and "Crown Vegas" both use commas the same way, "Crown Vegas" and "Casino Cruiser" both use the term "drama" the same way.

Wanting to buy player information was pretty bad. But throwing out the bs "disgruntled employee" story and then digging yourself in deeper with multiple bogus identities--that can't even be portrayed in a consistent or credible manner--that's just insulting everybody's intelligence at this point. Do the world a favor, get a job that doesn't involve keyboards.

Mary, while I appreciate you wanting to be involved in the situation, numerous points you make are extremely false. I'll address some of them before I make one final post in regards to this matter. My name is Tony, I have spoken to some of you on icq, and can PM you my phone number if you'd like to talk.

You are wrong again, Rick was never in any management position with our casino. At this point, I can't claim posts are his when I have no proof, it could be another casino owner trying to cause problems. I am referring to recent posts on this forum and on others. Rick as well does not have internet access from our servers. Rick was let go prior to July 6th, I've mentioned he was released from his graphic design position several weeks ago, and if you were able to read you would have noticed that.

Your last paragraph clearly shows your intentions to tarnish my image. You are jumping all over the place with accusations then telling me I am throwing out the disgruntled employee story? No, that is the story, and trust me, you have nothing to be insulted about. Telling me to get a job that doesn't involve keyboards? I'm not going to start a name calling war with you Mary, the fact you are posting here late on a Saturday night says enough already.

 

[CrownVegas]

Anyway, back on topic.

So, Tony aka Crown Vegas, what is your policy on buying player lists for promotional purposes?

Are you interested in buying lists with phone numbers?

Players hate getting phone calls from gambling companies. Tends to tip off the spouse, for one thing.

You might want to keep in mind that many players use unique email addresses for each casino enrollment so as to keep track of who is selling and who is buying their information and players do share that information.

Players also notice if they receive spam from a casino that they've never enrolled in.

I know I'll notice if I get any email from Crown Vegas.

Well Mary aka Mary, I only do things legally and have lawyers involved if I was acquiring any kind of business. If you are talking about buying anything stolen/hacked, we would never do anything of that sort. That would cause major problems and is against RTG policy.

If I was looking at venturing into acquiring another casino, then we would probably brand it seperately as the original casino has a familiarity with the players. I am not interested in telemarketing to your gambling leads, if you wanted to sell me any I am passing on it.

 

[CrownVegas]

To greedygirl, mary, unicorn or anyone else

This is my last post concerning this topic. If anyone insists on continuing to publicly ruin the reputation of my casino with baseless claims, well they better be prepared for a legal battle. The fact is, I am open to speaking to whoever, yet you continue to slander me. I've spoken to several others on ICQ and from what I can see, I think we all felt it was in our best interest to resolve this outside of the forum. I have no problem talking to anyone, I believe in talking before considering any other kind of action. So PM me, I'll even provide a toll free number.

Tony

 

[unicorn40]

Crown Vegas SUCKS

Thank You Rick,Tony,Casinocruiser, or whatever one of your 'multiple personalities' you wish to be referred to as, for showing all the casinomeister forum members what a 'Class Act' you and Crown Vegas really are.

I'm sure after seeing the warmth and charm you displayed on your visits here, you will need to add more staff to handle the new sign ups you'll be getting from all the members here.

Just what RTG needs... another 'Black Eye' to their reputation.

 

[jinnia]

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please remove the content of my post, this was due to mis-information on my part.

I apologize to Mr. Goodman for the posting.

 

[CrownVegas]

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please remove the content of my post, this was due to mis-information on my part.

I apologize to Mr. Goodman for the posting.
...

Was that your first time doing a reverse ip lookup? First, I've never heard of Brian Goodman, and second, you didn't do it correctly, so yes you can apologize. That ip hosts just the software, seperate from the actual server for our casinos. That ip hosts no websites. You can check out

Link Removed (Old/Invalid)

So, to clarify again, Brian Goodman, never heard of him, doesn't work with us, and those 2 websites have nothing to with CV and if you want to learn how to do reverse ip lookups, i suggest joining whois.sc, they offer a full range of other services as well.

 

[mary]

Tony/CV,

you didn't answer my question.

*Does Crown Vegas support buying casino customer lists?

*What do you mean by "legal"? Lists from non-RTG casinos? Lists gathered by means undefined? Opt-in only lists? Lists from outside of the industry?

No, I'm not selling any lists for telemarketing or any other purposes, I find it funny that you thought I was.

Let me add a question: does Crown Vegas intend to spam (send unsolicited marketing email to names from lists.)

Does Crown Vegas sell/rent/lease/lend their list?

Edit: never mind, my question is answered.
A google search of the ip from which CV's software downloads turns up its listing on an anti-spam site.

Currently my 'spammer stats' spreadsheet lists the following company names and website addresses as
those that have appeared in the casino and gambling spams received in my in-box.

12.129.69.226 1
MediaSoft, LLC 1
msstd.com 1
Palace of Chance 3
panoramicnet.com 3

REMEMBER - I have never 'applied', 'e-mailed', 'posted', 'requested', 'expressed an interest', 'submitted',
'visited', 'signed up with an affiliate' or 'telephoned' for ANY of these spamvertised products!

 

[jinnia]

Was that your first time doing a reverse ip lookup? First, I've never heard of Brian Goodman, and second, you didn't do it correctly, so yes you can apologize. That ip hosts just the software, seperate from the actual server for our casinos. That ip hosts no websites. You can check out

Link Removed (Old/Invalid)

So, to clarify again, Brian Goodman, never heard of him, doesn't work with us, and those 2 websites have nothing to with CV and if you want to learn how to do reverse ip lookups, i suggest joining whois.sc, they offer a full range of other services as well.

Ah man, a smarta$$ in the group, and it sounds like a challenge to me, and I NEVER turn down a challenge.

I'll do some in-depth searching, then I'll be back with an apology, or some information to post!

Until then, answer the ladys post above mine here, can you do that??

 

[universexf6]

This is my last post concerning this topic. If anyone insists on continuing to publicly ruin the reputation of my casino with baseless claims, well they better be prepared for a legal battle. The fact is, I am open to speaking to whoever, yet you continue to slander me. I've spoken to several others on ICQ and from what I can see, I think we all felt it was in our best interest to resolve this outside of the forum. I have no problem talking to anyone, I believe in talking before considering any other kind of action. So PM me, I'll even provide a toll free number.

Tony

　Crown Vegas. I think why what you are saying sounds always little
credible is because to us we don't feel you are going to take action
against this Rick ex-employee or whoever. We need the result and
that will save you from further "slander", I believe.

And why should we "resolve this problem outside this forum"? We don't
know actually what is going on yet. Which means, if we talk to you
individually, we are going to lose because you can say anything.

 

[caruso]

The now handful of bogus "player database" threads at Start Casino are very revealing. Whether the poster is Rick, in his role of current manager at Crown Vegas, in an attempt to deflect attention from the issue, or Rick, in his role of former CV employee, in an attempt at revenge on his ex-employer Tony, remains to be seen.

 

[mgibson99]

I've been following this thread with interest, and just thought I would weigh in with my 2 cents.......everyone has been asking Tony to "come clean" and "give us the "real story". I have no idea what the real story is, but lets just suppose for 1 minute that this Rick guy really is a rogue ex-employee who is trying to discredit his former employer (Bryan seems to think he is). What could Tony say, other than what he has already said? How could he prove what he is saying is true?

I may be naive and uninformed, but for some reason Tony seems to be trying to address this whole issue as best he can. No matter what he says, he is attacked. Yes, his last several posts have been a little testy, but basically, everyone just keeps calling him a liar and a cheat, and I think he is probably frustrated more than anything else.

Lest I be flamed myself, I AM NOT A SHILL for Crown Vegas. I have never played there, and don't know anything about it, other than what I have read in this thread. I have never posted to support or promote any particular casino, other than a thread I did about Omni when I was on a $10,000 winning streak in BJ (by the way I have since stopped playing at Omni, because my winning streak was followed by an unusually protracted losing streak where I couldn't win a thing).

 

[greedygirl]

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
Let's see, greedygirl makes a false accusation, misconstrues facts, and I am the bad guy?

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
How can she have credibility, she's claiming I'm someone else with no facts.

Please point out where I "claimed" that you are indeed someone else? Admittedly, I feel there are many coincidences involved in this situation, however, I've NEVER claimed that you are anyone other than who you say you are.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
You have made your intentions very clear that you are being biased and your anti RTG views are very apparant.

You keep hammering away at this point, and you are incredibly misguided. True enough, there was a time when I took a dim view on RTG, however, when RTG management finally took an active roll in player issues and the advent of Montana disputes, my views changed. This is why I stated earlier, the following:

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

Do I feel all RTG-driven casinos are reputable? Hell no. At the same time, I don't feel all Playtech's or Microgaming or any other software-driven casinos are reputable. But to say I am anti-RTG is a complete fallacy.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.

First off, if I was model-thin, would it change the issues at hand?

I've been contemplating for several hours, whether or not to address this comment and the vile posts over at Start Casino.

What was written at Start Casino was bad enough, and I'm guessing could possibly be criminal. While the person posting used the username of Greedygirl (which is well-known through this industry), it wouldn't be much of an issue. However, when the poster used the GoneGambling signature and then brought in BoDog, I believe this crossed legal bounds.

Tony--I do not know if you wrote the post at Start Casino, nor am I accusing you of doing so. What I DO know, however, is that you went ahead and tossed in the "weight card" as your way to attack me. Obviously you have no idea about my situation.

My weight is the direct result of a serious accident I had. I've endured 12 surgeries, one of which resulted in my being bed-ridden for well over a year, followed by two years of a basically sedentary existence. Further health-related complications, coupled with age have made it incredibly difficult to lose weight, but I continue to try. It's been an extraordinarily rough road for me and not a moment goes by when I don't long for the body I had, previous to my accident. Following everything I've been through, I'm both blessed and happy to be alive and able to enjoy everything life has to offer. I take nothing for granted.

Until the posts at Start Casino and your crass comment, here, I've been fortunate that the people within this industry have judged me according to my actions and my accomplishments. I feel it is fair to say that I am well-respected and generally well-liked. Lucky for me that so many can see past something so absolutely superficial as my body size. It's a pity that there are those like you who haven't moved beyond such superficiality.

 

[CrownVegas]

Please point out where I "claimed" that you are indeed someone else? Admittedly, I feel there are many coincidences involved in this situation, however, I've NEVER claimed that you are anyone other than who you say you are.



You keep hammering away at this point, and you are incredibly misguided. True enough, there was a time when I took a dim view on RTG, however, when RTG management finally took an active roll in player issues and the advent of Montana disputes, my views changed. This is why I stated earlier, the following:

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

Do I feel all RTG-driven casinos are reputable? Hell no. At the same time, I don't feel all Playtech's or Microgaming or any other software-driven casinos are reputable. But to say I am anti-RTG is a complete fallacy.



First off, if I was model-thin, would it change the issues at hand?

I've been contemplating for several hours, whether or not to address this comment and the vile posts over at Start Casino.

What was written at Start Casino was bad enough, and I'm guessing could possibly be criminal. While the person posting used the username of Greedygirl (which is well-known through this industry), it wouldn't be much of an issue. However, when the poster used the GoneGambling signature and then brought in BoDog, I believe this crossed legal bounds.

Tony--I do not know if you wrote the post at Start Casino, nor am I accusing you of doing so. What I DO know, however, is that you went ahead and tossed in the "weight card" as your way to attack me. Obviously you have no idea about my situation.

My weight is the direct result of a serious accident I had. I've endured 12 surgeries, one of which resulted in my being bed-ridden for well over a year, followed by two years of a basically sedentary existence. Further health-related complications, coupled with age have made it incredibly difficult to lose weight, but I continue to try. It's been an extraordinarily rough road for me and not a moment goes by when I don't long for the body I had, previous to my accident. Following everything I've been through, I'm both blessed and happy to be alive and able to enjoy everything life has to offer. I take nothing for granted.

Until the posts at Start Casino and your crass comment, here, I've been fortunate that the people within this industry have judged me according to my actions and my accomplishments. I feel it is fair to say that I am well-respected and generally well-liked. Lucky for me that so many can see past something so absolutely superficial as my body size. It's a pity that there are those like you who haven't moved beyond such superficiality.

I had no idea about your weight. It was just an expression relating to the summer and in reference to enjoying the weather/outdoors rather than staying indoors and trying to make false accusations to me. I apologize if I offended you, my intentions were not that. It was really directed in a way that you should be doing other things instead of trying to seriously damage our name. I don't post on startcasino, I was only referred to this forum from an affiliate who had concerns on the damage some people were causing to our company. Like I said repeatedly, I am more than willing to talk to anyone regarding this matter, unfortunately, other people hiding behind fake names continue to press the matter.

 

[CrownVegas]

Tony/CV,

you didn't answer my question.

*Does Crown Vegas support buying casino customer lists?

*What do you mean by "legal"? Lists from non-RTG casinos? Lists gathered by means undefined? Opt-in only lists? Lists from outside of the industry?

No, I'm not selling any lists for telemarketing or any other purposes, I find it funny that you thought I was.

Let me add a question: does Crown Vegas intend to spam (send unsolicited marketing email to names from lists.)

Does Crown Vegas sell/rent/lease/lend their list?

Edit: never mind, my question is answered.
A google search of the ip from which CV's software downloads turns up its listing on an anti-spam site.

Currently my 'spammer stats' spreadsheet lists the following company names and website addresses as
those that have appeared in the casino and gambling spams received in my in-box.

12.129.69.226 1
MediaSoft, LLC 1
msstd.com 1
Palace of Chance 3
panoramicnet.com 3

REMEMBER - I have never 'applied', 'e-mailed', 'posted', 'requested', 'expressed an interest', 'submitted',
'visited', 'signed up with an affiliate' or 'telephoned' for ANY of these spamvertised products!

We don't believe in spam, we have an anti spam policy for affiliates as well. When someone signs up for our software, they have an option of being removed if they don't want to be emailed by us. No, we would not buy lists for the sake of sending unsolicited email to them. We also do not mail off that IP that you listed. Go check on GP's spam record, the casino industry relies heavily on reminding current/past depositors to visit again, some people get frustrated and report it as spam instead of removing themselves. I get 1-2 888.com, and 1 goldenpalace email a week.

 

[CrownVegas]

I've been following this thread with interest, and just thought I would weigh in with my 2 cents.......everyone has been asking Tony to "come clean" and "give us the "real story". I have no idea what the real story is, but lets just suppose for 1 minute that this Rick guy really is a rogue ex-employee who is trying to discredit his former employer (Bryan seems to think he is). What could Tony say, other than what he has already said? How could he prove what he is saying is true?

I may be naive and uninformed, but for some reason Tony seems to be trying to address this whole issue as best he can. No matter what he says, he is attacked. Yes, his last several posts have been a little testy, but basically, everyone just keeps calling him a liar and a cheat, and I think he is probably frustrated more than anything else.

Lest I be flamed myself, I AM NOT A SHILL for Crown Vegas. I have never played there, and don't know anything about it, other than what I have read in this thread. I have never posted to support or promote any particular casino, other than a thread I did about Omni when I was on a $10,000 winning streak in BJ (by the way I have since stopped playing at Omni, because my winning streak was followed by an unusually protracted losing streak where I couldn't win a thing).

It's amusing at this point, I've offered to speak to anyone, and not greedygirl,mary,unicorn,caruso have sent me 1 pm to ask for my number. I could fax a copy of a drivers license, or come up with another mutual way to prove I am real. Their intentions by continuing to damage and insinuate I'm someone else further damage all their credibility, especially when I REPEATEDLY tell them to contact me.

 

[universexf6]

　SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY???

I'm really tired of Crown Vegas speaking all this blahblah whatever and what
we want to hear is WHAT YOU DO against this Rick Someone's criminal act.

 

[RobWin]

It's amusing at this point, I've offered to speak to anyone, and not greedygirl,mary,unicorn,caruso have sent me 1 pm to ask for my number. I could fax a copy of a drivers license, or come up with another mutual way to prove I am real. Their intentions by continuing to damage and insinuate I'm someone else further damage all their credibility, especially when I REPEATEDLY tell them to contact me.

Good Idea ! send a copy of your License over to the Meister so he can check you out. That should settle this once and for all.

 

[jetset]

I am starting to get the impression that "Tony" may not be as experienced in the online casino world as one might expect, because he does not seem to be aware of who several of the respected and well established posters here are, despite their perfectly acceptable use of forum handles.

If he were, he would not be laying about himself with accusations that these are casino owners who are in competition with him and therefore trying to damage his business. Or purveyors of illegal databases (that was especially amusing as it was levelled at Mary of all people!!)

He would know that these are very credible individuals in the industry and on several fora who have genuinely tried to protect players from bad practice by casino owners (like spam) for many years.

And the clumsy diversionary and personal attacks are not the way to go with this situation either, imo.

Having said that, I doubt that we will go any further forward with this enquiry until a few more facts have been established...and there are some very experienced, well connected and concerned investigators here who will no doubt do just that.

In the meantime the faux posts at Start Casino really are not smart, either.

 

[CrownVegas]

　SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY???

I'm really tired of Crown Vegas speaking all this blahblah whatever and what
we want to hear is WHAT YOU DO against this Rick Someone's criminal act.

I spoke briefly to my legal team and explained it to them quickly. They will be looking further into it in the coming week. From what I understand, they said in terms of him intending to purchase databases for himself, there's not much we can do. The real problem is him impersonating CV, and that's what they intend to examine. It may require a C&D letter, but at this point, I really can't say.

 

[universexf6]

I spoke briefly to my legal team and explained it to them quickly. They will be looking further into it in the coming week. From what I understand, they said in terms of him intending to purchase databases for himself, there's not much we can do. The real problem is him impersonating CV, and that's what they intend to examine. It may require a C&D letter, but at this point, I really can't say.

Okay. Thanks. First, I should have been softer about my words.
And personally I think giving updates regarding your department's
activity will reduce the further deterioration of the relationship with the
participants or players here and your reputation.

Thank you anyway for your quick reply. I somehow believed it.