Credit Cards to be banned for online gambling

It will be interesting to see if e-wallet providers can implement a block for credit cards in the short timescale that we’ve been given. Unless they do, expect Skrill, Neteller, PayPal etc to all be blocked with this change.

So do you think the onus will be on the operator or the credit card provider? Assume the credit card providers can just disable gambling transactions.

I always wondered though, when you register a card at some casinos it shows as "Credit Card Deposit" even if it's a debit card! I assume this will be fixed by operators?
 
If it goes through it certainly wont be in April! Is there not a consultation running on this?
The April changes are credit cards, and automatically joining GamStop, they join reduction in fixed odds betting terminal stakes and whistle to whistle advertising, post April they will be launching a review of the Gambling Act and a new nationwide addiction strategy.

They estimated 800,000 people use credit cards to gamble.
 
The April changes are credit cards, automatically joining GamStop, they join reduction in fixed odds betting terminal stakes and whistle to whistle advertising, post April they will be launching a review of the Gambling Act and a new nationwide addiction strategy.

They estimated 800,000 people use credit cards to gamble.

Sorry I was referring to Jan's post about the max stake
 
Presumably the same way Skrill does, it asks if its for gambling or not and if you say no, it refuses any transactions for gambling using those funds. If yes, and you are using a credit card, block it. The easy way is make the card providers responsible, a bit unfair if its on the casino, considering bank already has the technology in place.

We'll see how this will be implemented in practice, not really familiar with netwallets at all, would that mean that you are not allowed to top up your net wallet with credit at all or you can't deposit with any netwallet which can be topped up with credit card?

Banning credit cards is good, people who play with their means and for fun can for sure use other deposit methods. Credit cards are not good to have when you have tilt moment and make deposit after other and you can top of your own money spend quite a lot more in very short time.
 
Realistically it’ll make little difference to punters. Credit cards for gambling have long been treated as cash advances with their associated fees. All people will do is withdraw cash and pay it onto their accounts however they want.

Ladbrokes etc let you top up your online balance with cash in branches.

It’ll reduce impulsive usage, little else.
 
If it stop addicts losing thousands they haven't got, or somebody going mental chasing losses in the middle of the night then I'm all in favour of it.

Should've come in when online gambling took off, would've saved a lot of misery. This is the thing with the ukgc, they will get clapped on the back for this but no one will ask in a serious deep way why didn't you do this years ago, the grounds and justification you're basing the decision on now, have existed for more than a decade?
 
Using a credit card to purchase a National Lottery product in store will not be banned as it is called a "non remote lottery" and lotteries which are for charitable purposes.

Really winds me up, the only form of proper gambling that allows 16 year olds to participate and you will
still be able to use cc,s.The charity bit is bullshit, no one plays it to contribute to charity and it makes the
gov look good with all these "good causes" benifiting , In reality it is saving the gov a fortune as it pays for a lot
of things that they ought to be paying for.Bloody hypocrytes.
Rant over
 
I think will be a disaster for the industry and will 100% have people moving to unlicensed casinos outside the UK. I really hope that doesn't come in.

I don't buy this exodus to unlicensed.

The payouts are slow to.nonexistent. the sites are poor. The game offering is diabolical because the reputable providers won't touch them. Players won't accept such a poor game offering. They might try it, but doubt they'll be back.
 
I don't buy this exodus to unlicensed.

The payouts are slow to.nonexistent. the sites are poor. The game offering is diabolical because the reputable providers won't touch them. Players won't accept such a poor game offering. They might try it, but doubt they'll be back.

I buy that 100% sure some people do leave under Curacao sunshine if £2 max bet is implemented.

That part of players who don't really don't mind if withdrawal is on your account on same day or after week.
Especially people playing board games, £2 is quite low, even for me if i for some reason decide to have few rounds of blackjack or roulette, these are often played quite much bigger stakes
 
A whole raft of games will be no longer viable at £2 stake, all roullete and table card games,poker to name a few.Hope they have the intelligence to realize this and limit it to slots but I doubt it very much,
There were valid reasons to limit FOBT,s but online is totally different.
It will be the tipping point for a lot of casinos serving the UK market and there will be a mass exodus
 
A whole raft of games will be no longer viable at £2 stake, all roullete and table card games,poker to name a few.Hope they have the intelligence to realize this and limit it to slots but I doubt it very much,
There were valid reasons to limit FOBT,s but online is totally different.
It will be the tipping point for a lot of casinos serving the UK market and there will be a mass exodus

Hope they don't implement that max bet rule at all, if it will be implemented to all games, i don't see many people playing blackjack online anymore and if they start to sort what you can play with what bet, there's big mess to come once game developers start to try create some really weird hybrids where you play blackjack because it's allowed with bigger bets but game actually is pure slot where you only hit spin and called "lucky blackjack"....
 
Whilst I'm not a fan of the government controlling how we spend our money I will say £2 stake cap is great idea. Anyone betting higher has either too much money or has won big and chucking it all back.

Hopefully this also stops those ridiculous streamers do 5 or 10 spins with unlimited cash.
 
Fair point - I expect we’ll be responsible for making sure they are blocked though and not leaving it to the card providers.

How does the bank know where your cash is going if you top up PayPal? You may want to buy something off eBay?

This is why it will have maybe a marginal effect but in reality won't stop problem gamblers.

1. They can purchase pay vouchers with cards.
2. They can fund webwallets with them.
3. They can get ATM cash advances and but vouchers or pay cash into bank accounts.
4. They can use the online cash-transfer facility/loans that many cards will pay into bank accounts by BACs.
5. They can use cards to funds everyday living costs and use their bank accounts to gamble instead.

A problem gambler is often like a smack addict - devious, determined to get their fix and know every trick in the book to facilitate it.

The point about a card transaction code reflecting a gambling transaction should have been addresses eons ago. If UK payment systems accepted by online casinos had to have the casino's UKGC License number verified and included somewhere in the transaction code before being accepted, i.e. the payment provider had to check the casino before allowing them to use their service for gambling, it would end many (but not all) of the scam casino 1668/JAZ et al transactions from the UK.
 
But you don't play under UK Licenses do you? We have a multitude of options to deposit with here. I'm all for this.
Which was I said, fine for the UK as long as casinos dont decide to implement it across the board and for those outside the UK
 
edit - Dunover beat me to it but I dont see how blocking CCs prevents anyone from gambling with a CC


Player X can't dep wtih CC so player >

* deps with e-wallet funded with CC
* deps with bank with funds transferred from CC
* deps with payafe or disposable CC purchased with CC

you've only removed one very trivial step in the path to a deposit with your CC
 
Good. The UKGC may piss about more than clowns at a Slapstick Convention but they may have identified something good here.

Because as a former credit card espousee I can vouch for the temptation in racking up those ol' limits willy-nilly chasing the magical slot beans. It ain't fun and over all too soon (sounds like something else in my life)

In fact narrowing down payment options altogether and retracting available payment methods is one of the best deterrents for impulsive depositers. Whatcha gonna do if you can't deposit?

Of course next I'd like to see some form of deposit 'cap' via banks but one step at a time eh :cool:
 
Good. The UKGC may piss about more than clowns at a Slapstick Convention but they may have identified something good here.

Because as a former credit card espousee I can vouch for the temptation in racking up those ol' limits willy-nilly chasing the magical slot beans. It ain't fun and over all too soon (sounds like something else in my life)

In fact narrowing down payment options altogether and retracting available payment methods is one of the best deterrents for impulsive depositers. Whatcha gonna do if you can't deposit?

Of course next I'd like to see some form of deposit 'cap' via banks but one step at a time eh :cool:

Talk is that Skrill and E Wallets will also go...will be left with bank transfer, debit cards or paypal
 
I like this move, even if people can get around it. I don’t like using a credit card due to the $5 fee and VS always does a credit check. I prefer using Visa Debit or MC debit.

I’m debt-free, by the way. Credit card is completely paid off and locked because it isn’t needed at the moment.
 
If deposits would have a mandatory 24 pending period before these can be used, it for sure would decrease impulsive gambling over means.

I think that's too far, although I do agree it would work. Mandatory limits per month would help. Removal of daily limits and have a minimum a week or a month deposit limit.
 
I like this move, even if people can get around it. I don’t like using a credit card due to the $5 fee and VS always does a credit check. I prefer using Visa Debit or MC debit.

I’m debt-free, by the way. Credit card is completely paid off and locked because it isn’t needed at the moment.
you're able to deposit using Visa debit? I get blocked every time by Verified by Viaa when it flags a casino deposit; I can only use my visa debit directly with OLG; otherwise I need to use etransfer
 
I think that's too far, although I do agree it would work. Mandatory limits per month would help. Removal of daily limits and have a minimum a week or a month deposit limit.

Didn't really mean that too seriously but if willing to be really responsible, then quite big steps are pretty effective instead of playing around with payment methods etc.

These mandatory limits would need to be implemented to some national database and all transactions need to be sent there to keep them up to date and all operators including. Long as you are limited only per casino, you still have quite many places left even in UK where you can play any time when willing to get around limits.

If real intention is to protect vulnerable people as a cost of all others, some quite huge steps would be needed instead of this kind of baby steps which don't really solve much but can make regulator feel good when they can state how they stopped people to gamble with depts in UK....
 
edit - Dunover beat me to it but I dont see how blocking CCs prevents anyone from gambling with a CC


Player X can't dep wtih CC so player >

* deps with e-wallet funded with CC
* deps with bank with funds transferred from CC
* deps with payafe or disposable CC purchased with CC

you've only removed one very trivial step in the path to a deposit with your CC

You can't deposit using a wallet from a CC if the transaction is blocked. Some card companies do that already so very easy to implement.
Not all cards offer 'transfer to bank', those that do quite often have quite a low limit and I don't think any do it instantly, certainly none of mine that have it do so. That removes the impulsiveness of it if the player is chasing losses.
A lot of pre-paid mastercards (which is almost all 'disposable' CC's in the UK) cannot be used for gambling anyway. Half of them can't even be used to buy petrol ffs.
Pulling cash off one, then buying said items or into bank is a lot of hassle, and can't be done at 3am after drinking or losses.

Of course people will get round it, but it will cut a lot out.
 

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