Corporate Governance of the United States Explained.

[Steviedoo]

do you know of any other countries that interfere in the us elections, or is it just russia?

was this the same intelligence community that stated categorically Saddam has weapons of mass destruction?

Does the US intelligence community try to influence elections in other countries?

Blah blah blah.
Yes big bad USA. The poor rest of the world being picked on by the USA. Boohoo.

I wasn’t born here but my mother was. She’s from the south. And she taught me to defend and honour the country she was born and still lives in.

So fire back Mack and ed. Don’t care what you say.

The USA (and of course Canada) is one the better countries you’ll ever live in. This is why people want to come here and live here by any means.

And this thread has become the conspiracy thread. It should be retitled to reflect all your kooky conspiracy theories.

Maybe it should be really called I hate the USA.

Or maybe the USA is to blame for everything in the world.

Those suggestions are sarcasm.

Tired of you guys. Honestly same story on every political thread. It’s hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.

 

[slotplayer]

I think the 14 seasons trump did on the apprentice show must have had some bearing on him becoming president, there are some articles online that ponder this:

"The Apprentice" put together the best possible version of Trump it could. The "successful businessman" you see is a TV fantasy, and one the show sold well. Editors on the show have described how they stitched together the footage. Trump's role was

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"carefully crafted and manufactured in postproduction to feature a persona of success, leadership, and glamour, despite the raw footage of the reality star that was often 'a disaster.'" Editors claim that on the set, Trump had trouble reciting facts and talked about how he'd like to "drill" female crew members....

Without "The Apprentice" and the carefully curated image of Trump it insinuated into millions of American homes, it's hard to imagine how Trump could have ever sold the American people on his ultimate pitch: becoming president"

I'm not anti trump btw, I'm in the undecided camp but think on balance he was better for the world than Hillary who would have sought to militarily intervene directly in syria and hope russia backed down and withdrew.

not at all, Trump won on his message, not his persona.
I mentioned to look at the likes on the Russia FB ads, notice which topics got the most likes, border security was one if I recall.

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[mack341]

Blah blah blah.
Yes big bad USA. The poor rest of the world being picked on by the USA. Boohoo.

I wasn’t born here but my mother was. She’s from the south. And she taught me to defend and honour the country she was born and still lives in.

So fire back Mack and ed. Don’t care what you say.

The USA (and of course Canada) is one the better countries you’ll ever live in. This is why people want to come here and live here by any means.

And this thread has become the conspiracy thread. It should be retitled to reflect all your kooky conspiracy theories.

Maybe it should be really called I hate the USA.

Or maybe the USA is to blame for everything in the world.

Those suggestions are sarcasm.

Tired of you guys. Honestly same story on every political thread. It’s hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.

you can't give an answer to three yes/no questions but have sworn yourself to defend and honour the US?

 

[Steviedoo]

you can't give an answer to three yes/no questions but have sworn yourself to defend and honour the US?

No I purposely didn’t answer your questions. Cuz they seemed a little leading. whatever I answer, you will come back with some anti USA rhetoric cuz that’s where they were leading.

 

[mack341]

No I purposely didn’t answer your questions. Cuz they seemed a little leading. whatever I answer, you will come back with some anti USA rhetoric cuz that’s where they were leading.

As you are convinced that I will come back with anti american rhetoric, can you direct me to any anti usa rhetoric I have written so far. If someone from the usa criticizes MI5 over Iraq or theresa May's brexit policy I wouldn't start shouting bla bla bla, this is anti uk rhetoric etc..

If the senate intelligence committee believe those adverts were decisive in the us election then they must think the US public is very gullible. Isn't holding your citizen's intelligence in low regard anti american?

 

[ed skull murphy]

plenty of blame to around on that f-up.

"The Chilcot report identifies a series of major blunders by the British intelligence services that produced “flawed” information about Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the basis for going to war.

The intelligence community emerges from the report with its reputation and some of its most senior staff badly damaged."

They weren't blunders, they were blatant lies.

 

[slotplayer]

They weren't blunders, they were blatant lies.

I have no idea about the report but I do recommend members cruise up to post 149 and watch the Lebanese FBI agent that interrogated Saddam, especially part 3. Best to watch all 3 videos as its not that long.

 

[mack341]

putting saddam hussein and cia into google and the eighth result was the following:
foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

Does this count as anti american rhetoric?

 

[Steviedoo]

As you are convinced that I will come back with anti american rhetoric, can you direct me to any anti usa rhetoric I have written so far. If someone from the usa criticizes MI5 over Iraq or theresa May's brexit policy I wouldn't start shouting bla bla bla, this is anti uk rhetoric etc..

If the senate intelligence committee believe those adverts were decisive in the us election then they must think the US public is very gullible. Isn't holding your citizen's intelligence in low regard anti american?

Bet You think you’re so clever in the way you worded that.

Carry on Mack.

 

[slotplayer]

putting saddam hussein and cia into google and the eighth result was the following:
foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

Does this count as anti american rhetoric?

That is not surprising, but it goes to my point that intel is shared by governments.

Notice the last line: What "other Western Governments"?

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A UN security council statement condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons in the war was issued in 1986, but the US and other western governments continued supporting Baghdad militarily and politically into the closing stages of the war.

Then there is this:

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In the late 1980s, the British government secretly gave the arms company Matrix Churchill permission to supply parts for Saddam Hussein's weapons program, while British Industry supplied Gerald Bull as he developed the Iraqi supergun. In March 1990, a case of nuclear triggers bound for Iraq were seized at Heathrow Airport. The Scott Report uncovered much of the secrecy that had surrounded the Arms-to-Iraq affair when it became known.[24] The British government also financed a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas.

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I guess only the US's hands are dirty in world affairs.

 

[slotplayer]

As you are convinced that I will come back with anti american rhetoric, can you direct me to any anti usa rhetoric I have written so far. If someone from the usa criticizes MI5 over Iraq or theresa May's brexit policy I wouldn't start shouting bla bla bla, this is anti uk rhetoric etc..

If the senate intelligence committee believe those adverts were decisive in the us election then they must think the US public is very gullible. Isn't holding your citizen's intelligence in low regard anti american?

Did they say "decisive"? They meddled. There are hundreds if not thousands (maybe its even 10's of thousands) of ads run in US national campaigns, certainly had an impact but afaik to what degree still remains an open question.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Maybe it should be really called I hate the USA.

Or maybe the USA is to blame for everything in the world.

That is a bit of a naïve attitude. The original purpose of this thread was to explain that the US is not a nation, as such, but a corporation, vested in Washington DC, what I haven't mentioned on this thread is that the US is a subsidiary of a larger global corporation which is vested in the City of London, which itself is a subsidiary of another corporation which is vested in Vatican City, Rome.

So it would not be accurate to say that the US is to blame for everything, but rather that it's human capital and military are being exploited to further the geo-political interests; namely the creation of a one world order; of the parent corporations.

The exact same thing happened to the British people, when this global empire began.

You should not confuse people's opinions of US geo-politics with criticism of the American people themselves. There are many things that I personally admire about America and American culture, but, in my opinion, the corporation known as the United States is an evil entity which is beyond the control of the American people, so it cannot possibly be your fault.

Sure, US citizens get to vote for the next President of the United States (Inc.), but that does not necessarily mean that he is going to represent your best interests, in fact I know damned well that he won't, because he is the president of a corporation, and it's citizens are the lowest minions, and pretty much powerless.

 

[pinnit2014]

*throws Ed some Kevlar body ware*

 

[ed skull murphy]

*throws Ed some Kevlar body ware*

I can handle the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune alright, but I need some kevlar underpants at times, epecially when I am playing roulette.

Or perhaps you are alluding to "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

 

[mack341]

That is not surprising, but it goes to my point that intel is shared by governments.

Notice the last line: What "other Western Governments"?

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A UN security council statement condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons in the war was issued in 1986, but the US and other western governments continued supporting Baghdad militarily and politically into the closing stages of the war.

Then there is this:

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In the late 1980s, the British government secretly gave the arms company Matrix Churchill permission to supply parts for Saddam Hussein's weapons program, while British Industry supplied Gerald Bull as he developed the Iraqi supergun. In March 1990, a case of nuclear triggers bound for Iraq were seized at Heathrow Airport. The Scott Report uncovered much of the secrecy that had surrounded the Arms-to-Iraq affair when it became known.[24] The British government also financed a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas.

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I guess only the US's hands are dirty in world affairs.

Your 100% right, the british government have also been up to no good in the middle east, its a joint effort with the US. Basically in the iran iraq war, the west helped both sides so they could kill more of each other and the war would carry on longer. remember the 'iran contra affair' and so on. The thing is if the US had told britain don't sell saddam that weapon or finance that factory we would have obeyed, we are the usa's poodle and not the other way around. This is also why jeremy corbyn is loathed by the UK media [including the bbc] and about 4/5s of parliament because he is a potential threat to this arrangement.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Your 100% right, the british government have also been up to no good in the middle east, its a joint effort with the US. Basically in the iran iraq war, the west helped both sides so they could kill more of each other and the war would carry on longer. remember the 'iran contra affair' and so on. The thing is if the US had told britain don't sell saddam that weapon or finance that factory we would have obeyed, we are the usa's poodle and not the other way around. This is also why jeremy corbyn is loathed by the UK media [including the bbc] and about 4/5s of parliament because he is a potential threat to this arrangement.

I am sorry Mack, but that is not the way I see it, The Jesuit order is in charge, representing Vatican banking interests, but operationally, the directions come from London.

The US is the 'mercenary force' in this equation, and the British military are involved merely to provide a (politically) supportive role; I believe that the US soldiers would mock the British, in Iraq, for their outdated equipment, they would say things like 'here come the Flintstones' whenever the Brits trundled up in their antique tanks.

 

[mack341]

Bet You think you’re so clever in the way you worded that.

Carry on Mack.

There's not much point carrying on a debate when the other person just replies' this is anti american rhetoric bs, you'll a bunch of babies etc.., we will carry on dropping bombs on countries thousands of miles away and if you don't like it get stuffed'

Going through this thread yesterday to see where I was guilty of 'anti american rhetoric' I noted on one of your earlier posts you said you hate the media, but I thought they shared the same opinion you have on trump, [that he was helped by the ruskies, and hillary should have won] is your hate instead based on them sowing division within in the US?

Lastly, the christopher steele dossier which made lots of unproven allegations against trump, written by a former british spy, in your view was this 'outside' interference acceptable in the US election?

 

[mack341]

I am sorry Mack, but that is not the way I see it, The Jesuit order is in charge, representing Vatican banking interests, but operationally, the directions come from London.

The US is the 'mercenary force' in this equation, and the British military are involved merely to provide a (politically) supportive role; I believe that the US soldiers would mock the British, in Iraq, for their outdated equipment, they would say things like 'here come the Flintstones' whenever the Brits trundled up in their antique tanks.

you maybe right Ed on the bigger machinations, but on the basis of what most people can see and agree on, we are not the dominant partner in the us-uk relationship, hence blair's promise to bush on the iraq war 'I will be with you, whatever'.

I think the idea the jesuits run the show might be a smokescreen, but I know for certain that you will have studied this issue more than me .

 

[ed skull murphy]

you maybe right Ed on the bigger machinations, but on the basis of what most people can see and agree on, we are not the dominant partner in the us-uk relationship, hence blair's promise to bush on the iraq war 'I will be with you, whatever'.

But what you see on the outside is rarely the truth.

I think the idea the jesuits run the show might be a smokescreen, but I know for certain that you will have studied this issue more than me .

No, it's real, the Catholic church is incredibly wealthy, originally from the tithes paid in by it's vast global flock over the millenia. The Vatican bank financed the Norman invasion of europe and Great Britain, one thousand years ago, and, as a consequence, I believe that they own all of the land in Great Britain, although it is obfuscated behind The Crown Estates, but that is just corporate flim-flammery. They also own the land in North America.

This global corporation, vested in the City of London, is headed by a triumvirate, consisting of the head of the Jesuit order (AKA, the Black Pope), the Bank of England (the Venetian bankers) and the British Monarch.

The Jesuit order is the major power, because of it's vast wealth, and the other two act as fronts for the Jesuits.

 

[mack341]

But what you see on the outside is rarely the truth.



No, it's real, the Catholic church is incredibly wealthy, originally from the tithes paid in by it's vast global flock over the millenia. The Vatican bank financed the Norman invasion of europe and Great Britain, one thousand years ago, and, as a consequence, I believe that they own all of the land in Great Britain, although it is obfuscated behind The Crown Estates, but that is just corporate flim-flammery. They also own the land in North America.

This global corporation, vested in the City of London, is headed by a triumvirate, consisting of the head of the Jesuit order (AKA, the Black Pope), the Bank of England (the Venetian bankers) and the British Monarch.

The Jesuit order is the major power, because of it's vast wealth, and the other two act as fronts for the Jesuits.

Yeah you could be right, but if this order owns so much already, what is their ultimate objective? Do they want to make the whole world catholic, or are they satanic rather than christian?

 

[ed skull murphy]

Yeah you could be right, but if this order owns so much already, what is their ultimate objective? Do they want to make the whole world catholic, or are they satanic rather than christian?

I don't really want to answer that, on the grounds that it may upset people.

 

[mack341]

I don't really want to answer that, on the grounds that it may upset people.

fair enough ed, discretion is the better part of valour.

 

[slotplayer]

Your 100% right, the british government have also been up to no good in the middle east, its a joint effort with the US. Basically in the iran iraq war, the west helped both sides so they could kill more of each other and the war would carry on longer. remember the 'iran contra affair' and so on. The thing is if the US had told britain don't sell saddam that weapon or finance that factory we would have obeyed, we are the usa's poodle and not the other way around. This is also why jeremy corbyn is loathed by the UK media [including the bbc] and about 4/5s of parliament because he is a potential threat to this arrangement.

yes, I can't distinguish between all the political parties in the UK. I look them up but I just see varying degrees of left.

 

[slotplayer]

I see Trump is giving it to the EU on ponying up their fair share for NATO.
Can't wait to see the UK protest and the baby Trump float.

 

[weesie]

But what you see on the outside is rarely the truth.



No, it's real, the Catholic church is incredibly wealthy, originally from the tithes paid in by it's vast global flock over the millenia. The Vatican bank financed the Norman invasion of europe and Great Britain, one thousand years ago, and, as a consequence, I believe that they own all of the land in Great Britain, although it is obfuscated behind The Crown Estates, but that is just corporate flim-flammery. They also own the land in North America.

This global corporation, vested in the City of London, is headed by a triumvirate, consisting of the head of the Jesuit order (AKA, the Black Pope), the Bank of England (the Venetian bankers) and the British Monarch.

The Jesuit order is the major power, because of it's vast wealth, and the other two act as fronts for the Jesuits.

So, the Pope/Vatican has control over the entire globe? How do the guards let you out at all? Or are you chatting from a computer in the library?