Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[shadow123]

The reasoning was quite simple,you it was hard to get masks anywhere and if they were available the government were not going to pay for them, many countries gave them away free.
Really cannot stand that slimeball Hancock,dont believe a word he says, he was the one saying masks
were useless.

 

[goatwack]

I was going to the gym while this was going on before they closed. Everyone was wearing gloves, keeping their distance, wiping down machines after use and observing all safety regulations. Bottom line is that people who go to gyms care about their fitness and their health and therefore are ultra careful.

Compare that to the opening of the pubs, groups clustered together with no care for social distancing and doubtless shouting and screaming in each others faces at the end of the night.

Sadly Boris looks like he may have knocked down a fair few pints and pasties in his time, but I am guessing he thinks Gym is a guy who empties his dustbins once a week

Yes, as a gym-goer myself I reminisce at my gym session just prior to Lockdown.

Fact is the equipment was blissfully clean and more care was taken than had ever been before. Also attendance reduction by about 70%, which was great....

But of course easy to label gyms 'germ hotbeds' in the public eye, whilst Social Distancing hadn't even been enforced yet, neither was the wearing of masks compulsory on Public Transport etc

So one big balls-up all round! But it's ok, I can take my chances at the local pub, maybe flip a coin

 

[shadow123]

Laughable really, bordering on parody

In summary, care home workers are to blame for the virus rampaging through unabated, NOT his insistence on prioritizing the NHS over, you know, everything and everyone else!

Definitely a low-point for him, I can see what some of his detractors see in him. Even Trump - but we'll leave that for another day.......Thursday maybe?

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Certainly a new low for Boris, shovel untested hospital patients into care homes to keep the hospital
covid death rates low,dont provide protection for the staff and residents of those homes then blame them
when they die in droves, guys not real

 

[Robert Rabbit]

Certainly a new low for Boris, shovel untested hospital patients into care homes to keep the hospital
covid death rates low,dont provide protection for the staff and residents of those homes then blame them
when they die in droves, guys not real

Playing devils advocate here you could argue that the limited NHS resources were better devoted to young and middle aged people who had a chance of surviving rather than octogenarians who were on their last legs. Might sound rather harsh but there were just not enough beds or ventilators to go around so prioritisation was needed. So you focus on those who have 40-50 years ahead of them rather than those who potentially had a year or 2 in some cases.

I might of course think different if it was one of my relatives but from a strictly dispassionate perspective relocating the aged to care homes would make sense. Of course the underlying issue is one which all governments must take the blame for - they were just not prepared for a Pandemic, hence the insane rush for PPE to even protect NHS staff who were having to re-use protective equipment.

 

[slotplayer]

We just entered Phase 3 reopening in my state yesterday. Gym's (@40% capacity, equipment 14 feet apart), casinos, movie theatres, museums, sporting events without fans all are opening so we'll see how it goes.

What is done is done on this virus, its how they prepare for the next one, maybe that G4 if it jumps.

 

[shadow123]

Playing devils advocate here you could argue that the limited NHS resources were better devoted to young and middle aged people who had a chance of surviving rather than octogenarians who were on their last legs. Might sound rather harsh but there were just not enough beds or ventilators to go around so prioritisation was needed. So you focus on those who have 40-50 years ahead of them rather than those who potentially had a year or 2 in some cases.

I might of course think different if it was one of my relatives but from a strictly dispassionate perspective relocating the aged to care homes would make sense. Of course the underlying issue is one which all governments must take the blame for - they were just not prepared for a Pandemic, hence the insane rush for PPE to even protect NHS staff who were having to re-use protective equipment.

So its ok sending them untested into care homes, apart from anything else it put the staff who are much younger at risk,the least they could have done was set up quarantined residences with staff having enough PPE.The care homes residents were cannon fodder, they had no say and probably no idea they were being exposed.
Think we need an old lives matter campaign.
Peoples perspective seems to change according to their age, i am not quite care home material yet but do care as much about them as younger people as we
all should, where do younger people think they came from and how they were raised up?.

 

[bamberfishcake]

The more i watch what he says and the way he tries to almost sneak it as a passing comment sickens me.

Nursing home and care home staff have laid their lives on the line and thats what their leadership has to say about them.

Their usually the salt of the earth. Doing an amazingly underestimated and underpaid job only a select few have the inclination to do.

Maybe he is just pre-empting a nationwide revamp of the care home system for further moneys/bungs privatisation.

Something to kick start the ir bank balances economy.

 

[pinnit2014]

Laughable really, bordering on parody

In summary, care home workers are to blame for the virus rampaging through unabated, NOT his insistence on prioritizing the NHS over, you know, everything and everyone else!

Definitely a low-point for him, I can see what some of his detractors see in him. Even Trump - but we'll leave that for another day.......Thursday maybe?

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Yeah, scraping the barrel with him and Henchman Hancock.

Having had (few years ago) of working with both the NHS and the Local Authorities the summary is: Council's/Care homes/social care are seen as inferior to the NHS, no doubt. You only have to see how NHS bodies can rack up millions of being in the red, whereas LA's have to break even. In lay-mans terms the NHS can piss money up against the wall (and they do) but others have a cautionary finger waved at them, telling social care 'must do better chaps' - it's insulting.

That's even before you get to the whole NHS crusade on delayed discharges - for years the NHS, even pre Covid, has been firing folk out ASAP/Unready to/for the community setting; leaving LA's etc to pick up the tab/consequences; all under the political guise (lie) of 'community'

NHS in Scotland - accountable to Scot Govt (not sure if same down south)

Social Care - to Council's

Surely that has had no effect on the approach - no siree.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well yes, quite

Though in this case I'm specifically mentioning care homes as they've been treated worst of all, bordering on national scandal. Especially given the conflicting advice doled out to care workers and how the Government have left them to die off serenely in the background

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Probably why it's dominating the headlines and why people are calling for the PM to apologize for his remarks. But of course there's more chance of hell freezing over

So while it saddens me that businesses and the likes of McDonald's were unable to trade for a number of months, it's hardly 'just another' request placed on him at the time is it. But certainly a demonstrable case of "I'm alright Jack"

And yes the whole thing's been bungled from the outset, and I too am puzzled as to how pubs are allowed to open (watch that Social Distancing everyone! Oh shit Mike's stacked it and is piggy-backing John!) and gyms are closed.

Truth be told they're not even comparable, I'd rather the Government had doled out masks et al to nurses and care homes than tell workers masks aren't necessary. A complete and utter disgrace

Apparently the NHS (and others) were fully complicit in the policy over care homes and discharging elderly from hospital. They all agreed. Churlish to target solely just the government...though I agree there are areas in which the government has fallen well short during this pandemic.

The fact is, private care homes (that charge exorbitant fees btw) should have been making their own provisions for the spread of this virus from the get go. The fact of the matter is these elderly patients had to go somewhere, otherwise we'd have seen younger and younger people succumbing to this virus due to beds being blocked in ICU. That is what the government wanted to avoid.

Obviously harsh lessons have been learned...or at least I hope they have.

 

[goatwack]

Gyms to reopen mid-July

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Thank fuck for that

 

[dionysus]

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[dealer wins]

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Lockdown decision was a disaster IMO, trashed the economy and liveyhoods of millions of people for nothing, just like I said back in March.

 

[slotplayer]

Bars, pubs, dance/night clubs and now children's camps aren't opening until phase 4 in my state. Phase 4 doesn't begin until there is a vaccine or treatment whenever that is.

 

[goatwack]

That's nice

So effectively blackmailing the populace into taking an unproven and rushed treatment for fear of forfeiting the right to attend clubs, pubs & whatever else! Where's my clapping seal emoji!

 

[mack341]

Bars, pubs, dance/night clubs and now children's camps aren't opening until phase 4 in my state. Phase 4 doesn't begin until there is a vaccine or treatment whenever that is.

Is your state democratic run by any chance Slotplayer?

 

[slotplayer]

Is your state democratic run by any chance Slotplayer?

Oh yes, the state of JFK. Hillary 60% of the vote here. The governor (Baker) is a Republican but more a Rino than anything else. The rest of government is democratic.

 

[sufferinsilence]

That's nice

So effectively blackmailing the populace into taking an unproven and rushed treatment for fear of forfeiting the right to attend clubs, pubs & whatever else! Where's my clapping seal emoji!

Maybe @Kroffe can make this into an emoji for you using his Paint3D skills.

 

[mack341]

Oh yes, the state of JFK. Hillary 60% of the vote here. The governor (Baker) is a Republican but more a Rino than anything else. The rest of government is democratic.

ah you're in Massachusetts near boston, I thought you were in connecticut

JFK's birthplace at 83 beals street? Terrible what happened to him as well; but his nephew RFK jr is not a bad fellow, keeping up the political traditions of fighting govt injustice and protection for the natural environment etc..



The democrats really seem to want this lockdown extended any which way they can, set their mind on a vaccine 'solution' and that's that.

I'm sure there are enough educated and health conscious people out and about that will require convincing there are no long term ill effects to a vaccine and that it works.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Is your state democratic run by any chance Slotplayer?

Even as a left leaning I can't agree with keeping bars completely closed until there is a vaccine which nobody is 100% certain yet might actually be effective enough on humans even when tests on animals are going "well".

The situation in the USA is very different from over here tho. In Europe we have it relatively under control compared to the USA, and we're determined to squash every (mini-)outbreak.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Bars, pubs, dance/night clubs and now children's camps aren't opening until phase 4 in my state. Phase 4 doesn't begin until there is a vaccine or treatment whenever that is.

Atleast you bought all the Remdesivir... Literally. All of it.

 

[goatwack]

Even as a left leaning I can't agree with keeping bars completely closed until there is a vaccine which nobody is 100% certain yet might actually be effective enough on humans even when tests on animals are going "well".

The situation in the USA is very different from over here tho. In Europe we have it relatively under control compared to the USA, and we're determined to squash every (mini-)outbreak.

Glad yours hangs to the left too. I thought I was the only one

 

[goatwack]

Maybe @Kroffe can make this into an emoji for you using his Paint3D skills.

Cheap post as it's a Gif and not emoji as you alluded to, so that's reported straight away.

But I could let it go. I mean look.....I......the seal............it's so fucking adorable

Un-reported

 

[Robert Rabbit]

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Lockdown decision was a disaster IMO, trashed the economy and liveyhoods of millions of people for nothing, just like I said back in March.

Fact is that the NHS was creaking at the seams, insufficient bed, not enough PPE and not enough ventilators. I work for an organisation which was procuring these items so I know how desperate the situation was.

Without the lock down there would have been many in need of critical care for whom no medical support could have been provided. I'm not saying they got it right, I am saying that without a lock down the situation would have been far worse.

That said I respect your opinion - we just all have different viewpoints. There are even the conspiracy theorists who say it was all a government control tactic - but they clearly already have brain damage

 

[slotplayer]

ah you're in Massachusetts near boston, I thought you were in connecticut

JFK's birthplace at 83 beals street? Terrible what happened to him as well; but his nephew RFK jr is not a bad fellow, keeping up the political traditions of fighting govt injustice etc..

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The democrats really seem to want this lockdown extended any which way they can, set their mind on a vaccine 'solution' and that's that.

I'm sure there are enough educated and health conscious people out and about that will require convincing there are no long term ill effects to a vaccine and that it works.

Of course they want the lock down extended. This all about dethroning Trump so everything is spun to the n'th degree.
Personally I won't be getting a vaccine.

 

[slotplayer]

Tragic as it all is the US is ninth in deaths 41/100k. Where's your country?