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Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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I wonder how many other universities will do the same thing, will cambridge and oxford detain students who test positive?

I think you're right it was all to get the money into the coffers; on a side point It would be very interesting if somebody analysed what universities use to cost the nation pre all the student loans and expansion of subjects.

Will these have been the same students that went through the marking debacle [or was that mainly gcse?] if so, this has got to be one of the worse experiences of education/govt.

I hope some of these isolated/detained students aren't gamblers, going online and losing lots of money on top of everything else.
 

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Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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That is shocking.
A kid grows up looking forward to Uni life with their independence,freshers week,partying and everything that goes with it only to find they have been utterly conned and deprived of almost all of it :(

My two daughters both told me that stress levels at both their Uni's was such that up to 75% of students suffered to some degree of mental health issue with a large proportion on some form of ongoing treatment.
Imagine the levels today?
It really does not bare thinking about :(
 

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It was a purely financial decision, they've completely disregarded the health of their students and prioritised the financials.

I remember when I went to Uni the first few weeks were critical, to get a feel for your new home and area, get to know your peers, forge friendships, go out and have some fun, enjoy some drinks at the local pubs and clubs, all that stuff that young people want to do, all the stuff they need to do.

What a fucking miserable position they've been put into, shelling out £127 per week on rent, on the hook for £9250 in tuition fees for just one year, most of their learning is going to be remote anyway, they can't go out, they can't socialise, and they've been told they'll be breaking the law if they decide they can't tolerate it and want to go back to live with their parents.

As per the article I've linked there, in some of these halls they can't even control the temperature of their own room, the rooms are small, the beds aren't the best etc.

Make no mistake the bigwigs in charge absolutely knew that the halls of residence would end up as human petri dishes and this is the situation they'd end up in, but they wanted the money more than they cared for the wellbeing of their students.
 

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It was a purely financial decision, they've completely disregarded the health of their students and prioritised the financials.

I remember when I went to Uni the first few weeks were critical, to get a feel for your new home and area, get to know your peers, forge friendships, go out and have some fun, enjoy some drinks at the local pubs and clubs, all that stuff that young people want to do, all the stuff they need to do.

What a fucking miserable position they've been put into, shelling out £127 per week on rent, on the hook for £9250 in tuition fees for just one year, most of their learning is going to be remote anyway, they can't go out, they can't socialise, and they've been told they'll be breaking the law if they decide they can't tolerate it and want to go back to live with their parents.

As per the article I've linked there, in some of these halls they can't even control the temperature of their own room, the rooms are small, the beds aren't the best etc.

Make no mistake the bigwigs in charge absolutely knew that the halls of residence would end up as human petri dishes and this is the situation they'd end up in, but they wanted the money more than they cared for the wellbeing of their students.
I suspect that if they enforce there measures too strictly then it will lead to trouble because we all know that pissing off students can lead to civil unrest and dire consequences for the government.
 

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Email sent to students in Manchester in certain halls of residence :eek2:

Debate is ongoing as to whether or not this constitutes a legally binding order (consensus seems to be it doesn't), so the students might potentially be able to just say fuck it and go out anyway.

I stayed in halls of residence in my first year at Uni and saw what many other halls were like. The rooms aren't unpleasant or anything, but they tend to be small and reasonably basic, the whole point of Uni life is to be out and about and doing stuff when you're not studying, so your room tends to be somewhere you just rest/sleep or study.

Staying in a single room for 14 days? Fuck that shit. I can't imagine this holding, what are they going to do, start arresting a load of 18 year olds for leaving their room?

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It may be financial greed but I also believe the Government are outright pinning the Covid blame on Generation Z-ers, they essentially spelt that one out weeks ago, and are now 'punishing' them, if these spiteful rules are anything to go by
 

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It may be financial greed but I also believe the Government are outright pinning the Covid blame on Generation Z-ers, they essentially spelt that one out weeks ago, and are now 'punishing' them, if these spiteful rules are anything to go by
Well I guess they need to try and be able to point the finger at someone/something to try and deflect attention away from their own gross incompetence.

Listen to this interview, these students report how security guards are stopping them from leaving their buildings.....

 

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Given that the first year at Uni is basically a social integration this is quite the kick in the proverbials.

Not to mention a rather expensive online course with prison-esque accommodations

Whilst younger people are more likely to be resilient and adaptable to their current predicament, these 'guidelines' are clearly just a tester, and bound to get extended. No amount camaraderie and hijinks is gonna sustain that.

Fairly short-sighted of the current administration to demonize an entire subset, given how these are the voters of the future, not to mention doctors, solicitors, public sector workers......
 

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TBH I am seriously struggling to know what to make of such dire predictions? What are they basing their predictions on given that they are a government body? There is no data to back it up either economically or for the population reductions. America losing about 3/4 of its population seems extreme!
And why put such data out there knowing that it would eventually come to light?
It does seem extreme unless some big event happens, nuclear war or an asteroid. Maybe a new virus.

I'm just trying to get through today.
 

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Further warnings about Long-Covid, which in many regards is starting to become more of a story/issue than the headline mortality rate.

And as Fauci points out here, even in people who recover and don't have any ongoing immediate symptoms, there is often heart damage and other organ damage revealed on MRI scans, the implications of which simply aren't known at the moment, but point towards multiple possible health issues months or years down the line.

It really can't be emphasised enough that Covid can and does damage even young healthy bodies in all sorts of grizzly ways that aren't fully understood at the moment.

EDIT - Put it this way, I'm 46 years old, in good physical health, I'm not overweight, and reasonably active. I wouldn't want to take my chances on a Covid infection.


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I used to work in student accomodation the rooms are hot, clammy and uncomfortable. I needed to open windows and constantly got sick from the job. And the things airborn so they can't even open windows :( Sounds an absolute nightmare! They definitely should have postponed the students arriving until cases had lowered a bit. The students are basically being treated like they are 11 years old and on a school trip! Stay in rooms except for meal times etc...
 

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