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ChopleyIOM

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One thing we don't muck about with over here is enforcement, our border alert level was dropped from Level 5 to Level 4 a couple of months ago. Level 5 is essential travel only, Level 4 allows non-essential travel but anyone returning to the island must self-isolate for 14 days, and it is enforced.

This is not the first person who's been locked up for breaking the rules, this woman stopped for petrol because the fuel light came on in her car, when she should have gone straight home.

Boom - month in jail.

Earlier this month a chap returned home from Europe and went back to work as a takeaway delivery driver, he got dobbed in, boom, two months in jail.

The island has remained Covid-free since June 4th, but then again we have a competent government, and a population that is largely supportive of all the measures that are in place and will do what is required as a community to keep Covid out.

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And yet both people could have wrought untold damage regardless, even if cubicled after the fact
 

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One thing I have noticed about the Isle of Man emblem is that it is kicking Ireland in the face,kneeing Scotland in the bollix while getting shafted by England
 

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I knew there'd be a catch to all this 'boom, month in jail' the jail in question sounds like a holiday camp:
[from the daily fail]

Offers sports centre, games room, veg patch, sweet shop & a guard per inmate
Inmates even date each other, with the women in one wing and men in another


Prisoners of all levels have single cells and are allowed out of them for up to seven hours a day, housed in six wings which include a women's wing, an education centre, a sports hall, gardens, a gym, a 'shop', and various entertainment areas, as well as a patch where prisoners can grow vegetables.

"Andrew Fielding is on his fourth visit to the prison in Jurby.
Like all new arrivals, he will spend up to three days on the induction wing to acclimatise.

Prison officer Maggie explains his case, and reflects how the Isle of Man could be perceived as tough on crime.
She says: 'He's been accused of hitting his elderly mother with a rolled up Hello magazine, so yeah the Isle of Man is generally harder on all crime.'

The prison's head of security Margo adds: 'The world's gone soft, it's all nicey nicey.
'They come in here bag of bones and they'll go out fit as a fiddle, built back up"

Some prisoners have been sentenced for crimes as minor as 'robbing four pork pies and two rice crispy bars'


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This reminds me of that film hot fuzz :p ...still I wouldn't object to the IOM crime and re-offending rates


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ChopleyIOM

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I knew there'd be a catch to all this 'boom, month in jail' the jail in question sounds like a holiday camp:
[from the daily fail]
Yes it's based on the concept that we want people to come out of jail rehabilitated and able to re-join society as well balanced and productive individuals. The punishment is being deprived of their liberty, their time in prison is intended to give them a chance to gain some education, learn new life skills, learn methods to cope with addictions, have access to counselling and so on.

Local people do jokingly refer to the prison as 'The Jurby Hilton' but fundamentally everyone understands that outside of whole life sentences, prisoners become free people again at some point, and we want those people to have a fighting chance to get on in life upon their release.

It's partly why our crime rate and reoffending rates are so incredibly low.

What's the point of sending people to prison and treating them like animals? If you do that, you'll just be letting animals back into society at the end of their sentences.
 

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Yes it's based on the concept that we want people to come out of jail rehabilitated and able to re-join society as well balanced and productive individuals. The punishment is being deprived of their liberty, their time in prison is intended to give them a chance to gain some education, learn new life skills, learn methods to cope with addictions, have access to counselling and so on.

Local people do jokingly refer to the prison as 'The Jurby Hilton' but fundamentally everyone understands that outside of whole life sentences, prisoners become free people again at some point, and we want those people to have a fighting chance to get on in life upon their release.

It's partly why our crime rate and reoffending rates are so incredibly low.

What's the point of sending people to prison and treating them like animals? If you do that, you'll just be letting animals back into society at the end of their sentences.
Out of fairness I did add "still I wouldn't object to the IOM crime and re-offending rates" just goes to show how the crown runs things differently to the uk state, it looks and sounds like a decent place to live in my book.
 

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I absolutely love it here, in conjunction with other things (especially Mrs Chopley) I kind of credit moving here with saving my life, if I'd have carried on as I was in Manchester (multiple addictions and a dreadfully unhealthy lifestyle) I suspect I wouldn't have lasted too much longer.

I found a kind of peace here that utterly eluded me in the UK.
 

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I absolutely love it here, in conjunction with other things (especially Mrs Chopley) I kind of credit moving here with saving my life, if I'd have carried on as I was in Manchester (multiple addictions and a dreadfully unhealthy lifestyle) I suspect I wouldn't have lasted too much longer.

I found a kind of peace here that utterly eluded me in the UK.
Just looking at IOM elections, most of the members are independents, not sure how the government works on the IOM, whether these members discuss matters with the queen's representative who has the ultimate say?

I think we could do with some more independents in the HOC, why should labour and conservatives have a monopoly when things are getting worse.

What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation, seems like a recipe for a nightmare unless measures are in place to protect safety/mental health.

edit: By the way I'm looking forward still to your last part of the low ebbs gambling series...is that still something you intend to do or feel you've covered it all now?
 

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Just looking at IOM elections, most of the members are independents, not sure how the government works on the IOM, whether these members discuss matters with the queen's representative who has the ultimate say?

I think we could do with some more independents in the HOC, why should labour and conservatives have a monopoly when things are getting worse.
There is no party political system to speak of on the IOM, our MHKs (the equivalent of UK MPs) run as independents, and are almost always from the local community. For example one of the MHKs for the town where I live is also my GP. (He still works part time as a GP.)

I think politics works a lot better when you remove the tribalism of party politics from the equation.

Technically speaking the UK government can overrule the Manx Parliament, but in reality we're just left to our devices and pass all our own laws, set our own tax rates and so on. There's also a lot more stuff still run by the government here, we never had the privatisation craze that took hold in the UK. The utility companies are government owned and run, for example. Also, a couple of years ago the government got fed up with how private companies were running the Isle Of Man Steam Packet Company (they do the ferries), so it bought it and took it back into public ownership - effectively nationalising it.

What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation, seems like a recipe for a nightmare unless measures are in place to protect safety/mental health.
It's an absolute scam IMO, they knew full well that pretty much all learning would end up being done remotely, they just wanted to get the students onto the campuses so that they could start extracting rent from them.

They knew the students would end up practically being imprisoned.

edit: By the way I'm looking forward still to your last part of the low ebbs gambling series...is that still something you intend to do or feel you've covered it all now?
Yes there are two more to come, I know what they'll be and have them pretty well mapped out in my head, it's just finding the right time to get them recorded, they're not the easiest of content to make!
 

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If I want to deliberately feck up I know where to come :thumbsup:
Great! That's deal then. I don't mind being the excuse for someone to feck up.

I hope you are well and not suffering from hangover like me.
 

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Something very interesting,but you may not want to check your own Countries estimated population for 2025.
This is a USA intelligence agency that predicts for the military and aviation.

Oh and check out the projected economies

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Something very interesting,but you may not want to check your own Countries estimated population for 2025.
This is a USA intelligence agency that predicts for the military and aviation.

Oh and check out the projected economies

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Looks like a rough 4 years ahead, like I said a couple times, start learning mandarin, it might come in handy. :)
 

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What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation.
Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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Looks like a rough 4 years ahead, like I said a couple times, start learning mandarin, it might come in handy. :)
TBH I am seriously struggling to know what to make of such dire predictions? What are they basing their predictions on given that they are a government body? There is no data to back it up either economically or for the population reductions. America losing about 3/4 of its population seems extreme!
And why put such data out there knowing that it would eventually come to light?
 

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