Coronavirus

slotplayer

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What figures are you seeing? I haven't read that full article as it's paywalled, would be odd for the Times to get a basic thing like this wrong

The gov site says 4,368 cases today, I think the population is 66.5 million, and they said per 100,000, I think they may have meant per million as that would equal: [4368/ 66.5= 65.6] which then isn't a mile off their figure of 69 :confused:
I didn't realize it was daily cases, but it looks like per million. I didn't read the article either because of the paywall.

I'm using the Worldometer cases per 1 million and dividing it by 10

586.5/100K UK
872.5/100k Sweden
 

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I didn't realize it was daily cases, but it looks like per million. I didn't read the article either because of the paywall.

I'm using the Worldometer cases per 1 million and dividing it by 10

586.5/100K UK
872.5/100k Sweden
Yes that looks about right, not sure though if our testing systems have been similar from the start of the outbreak.

63 deaths per 100,000 uk
and
sweden 59

so if the case figures are comparable [similar testing] they've had about 30% more cases and yet lower deaths.

Have achieved that using less a severe lockdown strategy, and so no extra deaths from untreated illnesses down the line, less depression and mental health problems from isolation and fear, fewer redundancies and bankrupt firms [less collateral damage for want of a better word]
 

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Yes that looks about right, not sure though if our testing systems have been similar from the start of the outbreak.

63 deaths per 100,000 uk
and
sweden 59

so if the case figures are comparable [similar testing] they've had about 30% more cases and yet lower deaths.

Have achieved that using less a severe lockdown strategy, and so no extra deaths from untreated illnesses down the line, less depression and mental health problems from isolation and fear, fewer redundancies and bankrupt firms [less collateral damage for want of a better word]
I stopped listening to it once it became politicized. iirc was sometime in may. I'd have to go back in the thread to see but it seemed march/april was more unified.

Its the same here

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I was watching Robin Gill/Global News a couple days ago on Ontario restrictions.

 

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Careful with that Karol Sikora guy.

Notorious for made-up institutions and qualifications. More of a quack than an actual professor.

Also has copious links to private healthcare providers and advocates the breaking up of the NHS.

Blocks anyone and everyone who challenges anything he says.

Famously got the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi released on compassionate grounds saying he had less than three months to live. He lived for nearly three years.


Also calls the NHS the 'last bastion of Communism', so I hope you've all got your private healthcare insurance premiums at the ready and, y'know, don't suffer from any pre-existing conditions.

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Oh yes and Imperial College London had to threaten him with legal action to stop him associating himself with them.

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And despite the wave of restrictions he rebuffed
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calls to extend the furlough scheme - which ends on October 31 putting millions at risk of redundancy.
That's nice for some, especially when this intellectual made it "perhaps 6 months" for once, why not to add something bit more positive that "We will review and monitor situation closely and end of every month measure need of these different restrictions and act accordingly".

Of course for now losing jobs would maybe be a bad thing as now everything is out of governments control but all is caused by pandemic which seem to also have huge impact to our economy, even we had our "oven ready" trade deals and great Brexit planned but everybody dancing and singing got ruined because of COVID.

The PM warned the Army could be deployed to help boost numbers, saying: "We will provide the police and local authorities with the extra funding they need, a greater police presence on our streets and the option to draw on military support where required to free up the police."
Maybe it's cultural difference, but wouldn't really sound great in my ear when your country leader is threatening public with with own military troops. For sure everybody with some brain cells in head understand that if there are some huge problems, there are loads of police forces and possible assist of Army IF needed. Not make huge impression to shout these kind of things before these really are needed.
 

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Johnson one year ago versus Johnson today.

ONE YEAR AGO - Bloody government telling everyone what to do and what not to do, I'll put a stop to that!

TODAY - Stay out too long for a beer and the soldiers are coming for you.

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Careful with that Karol Sikora guy.

Notorious for made-up institutions and qualifications. More of a quack than an actual professor.

Also has copious links to private healthcare providers and advocates the breaking up of the NHS.

Blocks anyone and everyone who challenges anything he says.

Famously got the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi released on compassionate grounds saying he had less than three months to live. He lived for nearly three years.


Also calls the NHS the 'last bastion of Communism', so I hope you've all got your private healthcare insurance premiums at the ready and, y'know, don't suffer from any pre-existing conditions.

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Oh yes and Imperial College London had to threaten him with legal action to stop him associating himself with them.

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This man has been the only sane voice since March in a sea of MSM and government scare tactics, lies and complete BS. , And he's been spot on with his predictions every step of the way unlike the government and most of their so called "experts"
 

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Careful with that Karol Sikora guy.

Notorious for made-up institutions and qualifications. More of a quack than an actual professor.

Also has copious links to private healthcare providers and advocates the breaking up of the NHS.

Blocks anyone and everyone who challenges anything he says.

Famously got the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi released on compassionate grounds saying he had less than three months to live. He lived for nearly three years.


Also calls the NHS the 'last bastion of Communism', so I hope you've all got your private healthcare insurance premiums at the ready and, y'know, don't suffer from any pre-existing conditions.

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Oh yes and Imperial College London had to threaten him with legal action to stop him associating himself with them.

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Nothing like a good bit of casual character assassination eh chop, rather than debating or discussing the merits or not of the letter, any ammunition against the other people involved with the letter?

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"Karol Sikora was born in 1948. His father was a captain in the Polish Army who arrived in Great Britain during World War II[8] and his mother was a Scottish schoolteacher.[9] His childhood was spent in Edinburgh, Stafford and London.

He attended Dulwich College on a London County Council scholarship before going to Corpus Christi College, Cambridge where he became a Foundation Scholar and obtained a double first.[10] He received his PhD at Stanford University, where he also served a clinical fellowship.[11]"

"From 1985 to 1997, he served as the clinical director for cancer services at Hammersmith Hospital in London, where he established a cancer research laboratory, and was Professor of International Cancer Medicine at the Royal Postgraduate Medical School, later the Imperial College School of Medicine.[13] During the 1990s Sikora was also deputy director of clinical research at charity the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, the predecessor to Cancer Research UK "


NB The Royal Postgraduate Medical School (RPMS) was an independent medical school, based primarily at Hammersmith Hospital in west London. In 1988, the school merged with the Institute of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, and in 1997 became part of Imperial College School of Medicine.

So the claim he has been fraudently making a link to imperial college is a distortion in the way you presented it, and the description "notorious for made-up qualifications and institutions" sounds a bit far fetched to me.

In 1997 he became the Chief of the Cancer Program of the World Health Organization
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before resigning in 1999 over a disagreement with the UN regarding their proposals to restructure work on non-communicable diseases, stating this would create a "top-heavy bureaucracy


The more I read the more based and principled he sounds, this is likely his beef with the NHS too if you think about it. Doctors want to treat patients with the least interference from overpaid pen pushers.

Sikora has published over 300 papers and written or edited 20 books,
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notably the "standard" UK postgraduate textbook Treatment of Cancer


In a 2017 Newsnight opinion piece, he described the NHS as "the last bastion of communism - it is a monolithic, unmanageable and inefficient system [...] the staff are great but the system is not"

^ so that is the context to that comment, and many would agree the NHS needs reform, if the german french, and other health systems etc are routinely achieving better results in outcomes and waiting times.

The Scottish government confirmed Sikora's report was not used by the Scottish Justice Minister in making the decision to release Megrahi, which was instead based on their own medical reports and input from the parole board and governor.

It was likely a political decision, but the man had a terminal illness.
 

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No offense, but seriously. This should have been done long ago.

Masks will become compulsory for shop and pub staff from Monday and taxi passengers from Thursday - while the fine for failing to wear one, or breaking the 'rule of six' on gatherings, will double to £200 for a first offence.

I know workers that have to wear a mask all day long at their jobs which is why I don't complain about wearing one because my total accumulated time of wearing one is less than an hour a day when running errands.
 

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Careful with that Karol Sikora

Blocks anyone and everyone who challenges anything he says.
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd also be careful with getting information from twitter. The place which deletes anyone and everyone who is openly anti liberal, while literally allowing the leftly blue check marked nut cases to freely dox people for having opinions that isnt pro left, and post the doxxed information all over that website without twitter bothering to remove it, literally calling for the destruction (and acheiving it msny, many times) of anyones life if they have an opinion which angers the twitter mob.
It's become just as biased as bloody reddit ;)
 

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Nothing like a good bit of casual character assassination eh chop, rather than debating or discussing the merits or not of the letter, any ammunition against the other people involved with the letter?

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"Karol Sikora was born in 1948. His father was a captain in the Polish Army who arrived in Great Britain during World War II[8] and his mother was a Scottish schoolteacher.[9] His childhood was spent in Edinburgh, Stafford and London.

He attended Dulwich College on a London County Council scholarship before going to Corpus Christi College, Cambridge where he became a Foundation Scholar and obtained a double first.[10] He received his PhD at Stanford University, where he also served a clinical fellowship.[11]"

"From 1985 to 1997, he served as the clinical director for cancer services at Hammersmith Hospital in London, where he established a cancer research laboratory, and was Professor of International Cancer Medicine at the Royal Postgraduate Medical School, later the Imperial College School of Medicine.[13] During the 1990s Sikora was also deputy director of clinical research at charity the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, the predecessor to Cancer Research UK "


NB The Royal Postgraduate Medical School (RPMS) was an independent medical school, based primarily at Hammersmith Hospital in west London. In 1988, the school merged with the Institute of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, and in 1997 became part of Imperial College School of Medicine.

So the claim he has been fraudently making a link to imperial college is a distortion in the way you presented it, and the description "notorious for made-up qualifications and institutions" sounds a bit far fetched to me.

In 1997 he became the Chief of the Cancer Program of the World Health Organization
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before resigning in 1999 over a disagreement with the UN regarding their proposals to restructure work on non-communicable diseases, stating this would create a "top-heavy bureaucracy


The more I read the more based and principled he sounds, this is likely his beef with the NHS too if you think about it. Doctors want to treat patients with the least interference from overpaid pen pushers.

Sikora has published over 300 papers and written or edited 20 books,
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notably the "standard" UK postgraduate textbook Treatment of Cancer


In a 2017 Newsnight opinion piece, he described the NHS as "the last bastion of communism - it is a monolithic, unmanageable and inefficient system [...] the staff are great but the system is not"

^ so that is the context to that comment, and many would agree the NHS needs reform, if the german french, and other health systems etc are routinely achieving better results in outcomes and waiting times.

The Scottish government confirmed Sikora's report was not used by the Scottish Justice Minister in making the decision to release Megrahi, which was instead based on their own medical reports and input from the parole board and governor.

It was likely a political decision, but the man had a terminal illness.
Never even knew he was critical of the NHS, buts hes spot on there too lol. NHS should and could be run more efficiently, and on half its £120 BILLION budget. Its an outrageous money pit that costs us all dearly.
 

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Hugh Pennington, a very notable doctor/scientist, in today's mail:

For the majority, it is a comparatively innocuous infection that many young people will have without symptoms. For the vulnerable minority, especially the elderly, it can be very serious.

In the over-80s, in fact, the mortality rate is as high as it was for smallpox before the introduction of vaccines, more than two centuries ago. That is to say, for patients in that age group, Covid-19 is a very grave threat indeed.

Government policy, such as the introduction of a nightlife curfew yesterday, seems blind to this crucial difference. It concentrates simply on reducing the blanket figure, without making the vulnerable a priority.

This approach lacks common sense and seems to be driven solely by a fear of red bars on graphs.


That is why about 30 scientific experts and I signed a letter to the Prime Minister and his advisers this week, calling for a targeted approach that is based on evidence.

At the forefront of this approach should be how we handle the crisis in care homes.

At the start of the pandemic, the disease was allowed to run rampant in homes for the elderly, and the result was many thousands of preventable deaths. It is no exaggeration to call this a national scandal of massive
proportions.

Care homes should be at the apex of protective controls. All the emphasis should be on frequent testing, to make sure carers can be confident they are not carrying the virus.

I want to be optimistic, but vaccines will not be the silver bullet that ends the pandemic.

Waiting is pointless. We have to act now and be practical. That means focusing on protecting the vulnerable, most of all in our care homes, with effective testing.


This is the crucial aspect we must get right. Shutting down the country is a dangerous distraction.

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