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Who owns and or funds most media?

Who pays for the fact checking sites? They do not advertise in order to fund their sites. Who works for free?

Not being funny mate, but the main ones have a dedicated page to it with details of all the funding.

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Not really hard to find?
 

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Not being funny mate, but the main ones have a dedicated page to it with details of all the funding.

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Not really hard to find?
I had never heard of either of those fact checking sites but just an initial read of both of their funding brings up what and who? :laugh:

Edit. And an initial dig brings up funding by Bill Gates.
Yep. Not really hard to find
 
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I'm guessing this is the latest thing to be all over social media considering how many times I've seen it today?
I know someone who works for a company supplying PPE and they have just been awarded a 2 year extension.
I'm not sure why people are making a big deal of it. The contract is for advertising April - April. The virus didn't die out on the 31st March, so why wouldn't they extend the contract?
Who are the people who think it's over? Stupid people? There are still thousands of cases every day, people in hospital and people dying. The 'experts' have constantly warned theres likely to be a surge next winter. I don't personally know a single person who thinks its over. Plenty, including myself, think it's getting better, and even if there is a surge next winter, it won't be as bad as this year, but certainly wouldn't say it's over, unfortunately.
I presume you are comfortable about how this drama is playing out?
From just a few weeks to flatten the curve and help out the NHS to wait until the vaccine is available. I wish I had your optimism.
 

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Not being funny mate, but the main ones have a dedicated page to it with details of all the funding.

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Not really hard to find?
Both have been posted in this thread numerous times and they seem to be used by some media outlets, and see them on twitter, other forums, which ones were you talking about?

I presume you are comfortable about how this drama is playing out?
From just a few weeks to flatten the curve and help out the NHS to wait until the vaccine is available. I wish I had your optimism.

I think it's a deadly virus that no one has had to deal with before, and things happens that make initial predictions turn out wrong.
So far the roadmap BJ set out at the start of the year has been followed, and the final part In June seems to be getting better as we get closer, it was announced over the weekend they will also remove social distancing then too. I don't understand what you think is going to happen instead?
 

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Something that I have found very interesting lately is about how things may progress/regress in the future. It is worth while at least taking in the three interviewees explanation of what they are working on. They give away much more than they intend too during what they claim to be an advert for new recruits.
At about 31 minutes in they totally dismiss PCR testing when talking about amplification as a thing while knowing that they should shut up about the subject

 
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Both have been posted in this thread numerous times and they seem to be used by some media outlets, and see them on twitter, other forums, which ones were you talking about?



I think it's a deadly virus that no one has had to deal with before, and things happens that make initial predictions turn out wrong.
So far the roadmap BJ set out at the start of the year has been followed, and the final part In June seems to be getting better as we get closer, it was announced over the weekend they will also remove social distancing then too. I don't understand what you think is going to happen instead?
I am not making any specific predictions because that is foolish.
Of course they are used by media outlets. Which ones what?
 

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I am not making any specific predictions because that is foolish.
Of course they are used by media outlets. Which ones what?
I mean which factchecking sites were you meaning when you were asking who funded them? The 2 I posted were the 2 I know best, but you said you hadn't heard of them, so was wondering which others are out there?

Are school children in the uk being forced to wear masks all day long, anyone know?
From my limited knowledge, it's secondary schools only, and they have to wear them in communal areas, so if they need to move from classroom to classroom for example, but not in class. Thats the case in a couple of schools round here, presumably it's the same elsewhere, but can't be sure.
 

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All children 11+ have to wear facemasks IN the classroom unless they are exempt.

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Yet a few months ago our Dear Leader said this was nonsensical.

They don't HAVE to do anything of the sort, from your link

Now, if pupils can't follow social distancing rules in a classroom, they are advised to wear a covering.

Did you not read what you posted? It isn't mandatory at all. I can tell you with 100% certainty, the 2 secondary schools I have first hand knowledge of, the kids do not have to wear them in classrooms.

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In schools and colleges where pupils and students in year 7 and above are educated, we
recommend that face coverings should be worn by pupils when moving around the
premises, outside of classrooms, such as in corridors and communal areas where social
distancing cannot easily be maintained.
In addition, we also recommend in those schools and FE providers, that face coverings
should be worn by adults and pupils in classrooms or during activities unless social
distancing can be maintained. This does not apply in situations where wearing a face
covering would impact on the ability to take part in exercise or strenuous activity, for
example in PE lessons. Face coverings do not need to be worn by pupils when outdoors on
the premises.


Nothing in either to suggest they have to do it.
 

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Social distancing would have been pretty difficult in my day, 30 in a class, two metres apart definitely not possible, but also you're all breathing in and out the same recycling air [during winter and cold weather the windows are shut]

This mask wearing in school will simply create feelings of fear, isolation and worry with minimal, scientifically proven benefit from covid.

The govt science lady said at the beginning last year, touching and retouching masks is a definite drawback to mask use, and yet here we are telling children to put them on and off throughout their day.

They just can't allow one part of society or life to carry on as normal, all must be affected and roped into carrying out abnormal behaviour, like some sort of national pretence, what will they do when the winter vomiting or influenza season returns, make kids wear masks for hours for that too, or bring in mandatory flu shots bearing in mind more children die from that than covid.
 

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Social distancing would have been pretty difficult in my day, 30 in a class, two metres apart definitely not possible, but also you're all breathing in and out the same recycling air [during winter and cold weather the windows are shut]
Just to say, the two schools I mentioned have the windows open all day, and have done since they went back in September, and again just before Easter. Apparently it's freezing, and one of them tried to enforce their 'no coats on in the classroom' rule, which everyone (including the teachers ignored, so they relented after 2 days. I do wonder where some of these heads get their brains like. 30 kids and teachers in a classroom, in temperatures of around 0 and they expect them to sit there in a thin shirt and blazer ffs.
 

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Just to say, the two schools I mentioned have the windows open all day, and have done since they went back in September, and again just before Easter. Apparently it's freezing, and one of them tried to enforce their 'no coats on in the classroom' rule, which everyone (including the teachers ignored, so they relented after 2 days. I do wonder where some of these heads get their brains like. 30 kids and teachers in a classroom, in temperatures of around 0 and they expect them to sit there in a thin shirt and blazer ffs.

They sound like they've got more common sense in your area than down south near me!

I was wondering though in a year's time, when queuing up in a shop to pay and someone behind starts coughing, as there will be other bugs going around, I think it will just create an immediate panic. Maybe once the case numbers decline further people will begin to worry less and life go back to normal, or we have to wear masks for ever more inside confined spaces.
 

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They sound like they've got more common sense in your area than down south near me!

I was wondering though in a year's time, when queuing up in a shop to pay and someone behind starts coughing, as there will be other bugs going around, I think it will just create an immediate panic. Maybe once the case numbers decline further people will begin to worry less and life go back to normal, or we have to wear masks for ever more inside confined spaces.
Remember the good old days when you would cough to cover up a fart? Now you fart to cover up a cough :cheerleader:
 

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Given that this thread has-sorry for the expression- Died a death. Would there be an issue with opened a new thread that casts back to discussions and arguments from this time last year from the original thread?
I would begin by highlighting posts from the start and bring them up to date to this time last year eventually. two weeks per day until we catch up or the thread needs moving on quicker. Obviously your input would dictate discussion
Any objections to it or thoughts?
 
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Given that this thread has-sorry for the expression- Died a death. Would there be an issue with opened a new thread that casts back to discussions and arguments from this time last year from the original thread?
I would begin by highlighting posts from the start and bring them up to date to this time last year eventually. two weeks per day until we catch up or the thread needs moving on quicker. Obviously your input would dictate discussion
Any objections to it or thoughts?

No objections.

Thoughts. Skip past everyone of Dealer Wins Shite posts (which is all of them). Will save a lot of time.
 

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"Pfizer to seek authorization for Covid-19 vaccine for children ages 2 to 11 in September" [CNN]

Also is seeking full approval for vaccine use [ adults ] rather than emergency use authorization:

"Progressing from authorized to approved allows vaccine makers to market and directly distribute their vaccines. It could also have an impact on vaccine mandates -- and perhaps help sway skeptics hesitant to get the vaccines now.
Some organizations say they expect to require the Covid-19 vaccine, but have opted not to while it's authorized and not yet fully approved.

"People, when they hear it's still emergency use, they still have a little concern about how far you can go with it," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's Jim Sciutto last week.
 
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