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Mouche12

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The nannying is due to the regulation in the various jurisdictions. For Dutch players, casinos in the future will be required by law (as of 2021) to monitor their gambling behaviour and report any issues to the Dutch Gambling Authority, amongst other things.
 

Playford7

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Just out of interest. I’ve taken 3 months from November to jan 16th off work. I’m self employed.
In the meantime I’ve claimed universal credit.
So regardless of what I own, where I live and what I’ve got in the bank a casino can decide not to take my custom? The reason being it pays my stamp that I’m entitled to for working since I was 16?..
if that’s really the case I’d never darken a casinos doors again, or is this just the Maltese lot?
We don’t see many issues from William hill, sky or Ladbrokes etc..
 

Slottery

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Ongoing monitoring is mandatory for casinos to carry out already for money laundering reasons and because nature of business, casinos are using all that information they have, also to prevent problem gambling where these cool sentences like social responsibility, duty of care etc... are coming from :)

AML rules and directives are more behind of these SOW checks and casinos are expected to Know Your Customer which also covers SOW at some point.

It's not that many years ago when hardly any due diligence was carried out by casinos, now these have come more and more extended all the time. Would guess that casinos would be more than happy to go back in time where they could just keep accepting deposits without any questions.
 

Borgie

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Just out of interest. I’ve taken 3 months from November to jan 16th off work. I’m self employed.
In the meantime I’ve claimed universal credit.
So regardless of what I own, where I live and what I’ve got in the bank a casino can decide not to take my custom? The reason being it pays my stamp that I’m entitled to for working since I was 16?..
if that’s really the case I’d never darken a casinos doors again, or is this just the Maltese lot?
We don’t see many issues from William hill, sky or Ladbrokes etc..

Difference though if you are only claiming it to get stamp then i assume you aren't actually getting benefit money

You can prove your money comes from sources other than benefits which the op could not. You have a job.
 

Playford7

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Difference though if you are only claiming it to get stamp then i assume you aren't actually getting benefit money

You can prove your money comes from sources other than benefits which the op could not. You have a job.
If I’m not working however then that would be my main source of income.
I get upto 4 months off a year if I choose to take it.
So on paper I could be on benefits for that time, however I have my own house and a bank balance that may prove different to the fact I’m not working.
Who exactly is trained enough in finance and fiscal matters to decide if im allowed to gamble or not?
It’s a utter farce. Infact laughable
 

colinsunderland

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AML should only be requested if there are grounds to think there is something illegal happening. They shoud be looked at individually. AML documents should not be used for any other reason, including SoW. There is an exception but most casinos don't list it as they have to, to be allowed to do it.

I will never send SoW or AML documents to a casino. Energy tried it and my account was closed 5 minutes later. My business contracts will not allow me to send other contacts my earnings from them, its in every affiliate terms and conditions I've read. My play is not suspicious.

Theres always trust issues too. Got an email last week from an ex affiliate manager for a UK based bookmaker. He had been talking to his mate, an affiliate casino manager from a MGA licensed casino (and UKGC), and long story short, he had been asked to try to sort a problem out. However, to do that the UK bookie one had to have took my details from them when he left, or he wouldn't have my details. He then discussed me with the second one, who must have also sent my name, and email address over to the first, or how would he know who I was. I have a feeling this story will end up as a thread at some point, as I'm not exactly happy at how it's gone down, but will decide on that when/if the resolution proposed is acted on :)

So why on earth would I trust them to keep my information safe. My name address etc is fair game, I know it will be leaked out at some point, but do people really want AML stuff out there being shipped about all over the place?
 

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Absolutely never provide SOW to online casinos. They are about the least trustworthy companies you could possibly share highly personal information with, based god knows where offshore, hiring people without properly vetting them I am sure, and I bet without proper data protection and security etc

Just tell any casino that sends a request to F off and use another, or like me give up online gambling and go to landbased or cruise!!
 

Matti

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Absolutely never provide SOW to online casinos. They are about the least trustworthy companies you could possibly share highly personal information with, based god knows where offshore, hiring people without properly vetting them I am sure, and I bet without proper data protection and security etc

Just tell any casino that sends a request to F off and use another, or like me give up online gambling and go to landbased or cruise!!

There should actually be little difference between online and offline casinos when it comes to AML.
In both you need to prove where your money come from.
 

Borgie

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There should actually be little difference between online and offline casinos when it comes to AML.
In both you need to prove where your money come from.

Sorry can you explain what you have to provide to a landline casino please ?
 

Matti

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Sorry can you explain what you have to provide to a landline casino please ?

I guess it depends on in which country you are in. AML is an EU law but different countries have different ways of interpretating it. Some countries also seems to enforce the law differently between online and offline casinos.
 

colinsunderland

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I guess it depends on in which country you are in. AML is an EU law but different countries have different ways of interpretating it. Some countries also seems to enforce the law differently between online and offline casinos.

The law is the same law. All casinos should do the same checks when they have reason to believe or suspect criminal activity is funding the gambling.
 

Matti

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The law is the same law. All casinos should do the same checks when they have reason to believe or suspect criminal activity is funding the gambling.

Agreed. But that is not the case. The law is open for interpretation to some extent and different countries also enforce it in different ways.
 

snorky510238

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They can and do. I personally have not been asked but I know plenty that have.
 

Matti

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So in the UK landline casinos ask you to prove where you money comes from?

Yes. They should take a risk based approach towards your money so they are sure it’s not illegal and that the source is tracable. It’s called Source of Wealth ;-)
 

Slottery

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Like Matti pointed, EU 5th AML directive is not made only for online gambling. Many banks in different EU countries are making SOW questionnaires to their customers etc....

Gambling itself for sure is one industry where these are required as it's just money coming and going there and back and wagered thresholds can be quite big.

And like in Guntis post, casinos manager pointed out that these days they are not really allowed to accept just bag of money without any questions.
 
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