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CONFUSED about WR rules

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by orion, Jul 16, 2017.

    Jul 16, 2017
  1. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    I don't want to mention the casino name...this is not a complaint post (so far). I am just in need to understand how it works. Probably I am missing something and the only one to complain about is me.

    long story short: I deposited 50, had 50 bonus. WR is 40X.

    started with 100 and at first the WR was having place, I went into "my account" page and I saw that I was cumulating some little progress with WR (after about one hour I did wager around 150)

    Later, the session went quite bad and I deeped into "bonus" funds (had less than 50 in my account).

    Went on fighting for hours and I had a good recover, back to 100. Note I played for about 3 hours always staying in the range of 70/80 in my account.

    I went to check the WR progress and I found it to be still only 150 done.

    So I want to chat to ask for explanation and I was told:
    - only CASH money does contribute for the WR
    - once the player deeps into BONUS money, then even if he recovers, all his money is always and however considered as BONUS.
    - the sentence I was told in chat which surprised me more was: " You will need to deposit real money and play with that. Then that will count towards your WR"

    At this point I am really confused....how can I clear the WR ? Doing a new deposit maybe, when I still have my 100 I had at beginning (which I can't withdraw since they are all BONUS now ) ?
     
  2. Jul 16, 2017
  3. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    I have an idea who this is with, but anyway I like that sort of sticky bonus as you have a guaranteed conversion to cash if you stay depositing at the casino. Bell Fruit and Midaur have this system and it is as the CS told you. You CAN play with bonus and raise it, say to 300 bonus and then stake cash to release it but the WR won't go up if you've raised the bonus amount, it stays as it was.. It probably has a conversion-to-cash limit of say 200 or 250 though so make sure you read that part of the terms.

    Once you've done the WR with cash you then get the 50 (or whatever you've raised the bonus up to within the conversion limit) added to your account as withdrawable cash. :)
     
  4. Jul 16, 2017
  5. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    It's decent bonus structure if your not limited at single or small deposits and it can work in the players favour
     
  6. Jul 16, 2017
  7. stokes

    stokes Experienced Greenhorn

    Occupation:
    Sorcerer
    Location:
    Springfield
    Let me guess. Royal Panda;)

    Then search the forum for RP threads as their bonus system was explained a couple of times.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2017
  9. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Royal panda also,

    Can work out ok for the player if you had a decent hit while into the bonus due to it does not increase any more wager,


    Some sites do the oppisite and wager counts only when diped into bonus but can withdraw any time but be carfull as most of theses have a bloody cap on winnings
     
  10. Jul 17, 2017
  11. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

    Occupation:
    Web Developer
    Location:
    Green Park, London
    I remember last year at Royal Panda when I was on bonus funds and doing silly bets as I had nothing to lose and hit £1.5k on a £5.40 Fantasini (TwinSpin clone) bet.

    As I had a daily deposit limit of £50 it was a nightmare reaching wagering, eventually cashed out about £900 IIRC. Has it's advantages this type of bonus, but can make you deposit more than you're comfortable with, and no guarantee of cashing out.
     
  12. Jul 17, 2017
  13. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    thank you everybody.

    No, it's not RoyalPanda. I'd be more than happy to be allowed playing there. But unfortunately I am not. :(
    I am a little insignificant italian player and nobody wants me. :p

    Thanks Dunover for your explanation. Now, reading your lines, I get to the point.
    It's a pity that the casino is not mentioning this bonus system in its T&C pages, I went thru all of them and there is nothing about it.

    Anyway I doublechecked your "theory" with the CS and you are spot on.

    Congrats since you did not know which casino is, but you hit the target first shot.
    Shame on the casino since such "complicated" terms could (and should) have been written in the T&C pages.

    Great thing is to be part of this comunity.
     
  14. Jul 17, 2017
  15. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    Let's be honest nothing a casino does ever has the player in mind.
    There a business And a very ruthless one at that, they are there solely to take youre cash.
    That's fine with me totally as we all choose to spend at these places.
    But it's not like the shops or anywhere else, these casino's have silly terms and obscure and obscene terms to fuck you out of your own cash.
    As said many times needs a massive overhaul and strict rules in place
     
  16. Jul 17, 2017
  17. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    God knows how you did that as you can only play it at multiples of 25 coins.....:thumbsup:
     
  18. Jul 17, 2017
  19. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    The lord of terms has spoken.
    He is right tbh
     
  20. Jul 17, 2017
  21. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Did she mention she got a few free spins and of course they was drooped uder min bet, than the machine did not refresh :eek:
     
  22. Jul 17, 2017
  23. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Not so much friendly system for those with a small daily / weekly budget.

    Some may say 'break your own rules' on said budget if the cash out is guaranteed, however if the physical extra cash for deposits is not there then ??????

    Shame as the places which use this system seem to be the more trustable among nowadays, places I'd play at a LOT more often if the bonus structure was changed.

    Sure I am not alone on this one either!
     
  24. Jul 17, 2017
  25. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    ...and since everything is random in the wonderful world of online casinos.....
    that ONLY time I have a complicated situation with a WR...

    CONFUSED about WR rules: wildline027.jpg,Jul 17, 2017

    to make things even more complicated, now the casino support changed his mind and the bonus is no more "sticky" to be redeemed with next deposit.
    Now the bonus is...
    ...they don't know.
    :notworthy

    I find myself having deposited 50€, having obtained a 100% bonus, actually with 550€ BONUS in my account, and apparently NO WAY to convert this in cash.
    :rolleyes:

    I leave this situation to their super mega manager to be solved overnight, then tomorrow I'll probably shot my first PAB.

    Mamma mia.
     
  26. Jul 19, 2017
  27. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    ...and for the first time, I am forced to file a PAB (will do it immediately after posting these few lines)

    believe me I tried ALL THE WAYS, being gentle, kind, patient and cooperative, to comunicate with the casino staff about this issue.

    their replies have been very amateurish, and I must say they are also very late.

    Maxd will have a laugh, per sure.

    What I really can't understand is WHY a casino, facing a loyal, genuine, regular player is trying to screw him to save.... 500€ ? :what:

    It really goes beyond my understanding.

    The money is still in my account (I did never ever reverse a win in my life) and it will stay there forever till this shameful situation will be solved.

    I am not upset, I am just sad.
     
  28. Jul 19, 2017
  29. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    You do what is necessary 500 Euro is alot of cash mate, albeit I spent that in last few days partying :) but the cash was winnings that I had no trouble getting, even after the platform change from casino luck and next casino and they had alot of stick recently.

    Hopefully you not need to push a PAB, Who's link did you use? As I believe in that affiliates if they care will help out

    Do not go playing it back for fek sake.

    I am pretty sure between us members we can get your cash out, just do not play none of it, I read on a daiy bassis this sort of stuff than the time a rep comes on its to late, the player has spent it all
     
  30. Jul 19, 2017
  31. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    Wise words, especially since the word 'partying' was mentioned!..
    and as spintee says don't play back a penny, looks like your entitled to that cash so keep it that way!!!!
     
  32. Jul 19, 2017
  33. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    Dunover is the yoda of terms.
    Can't go far wrong listening to the man tbh
     
  34. Jul 19, 2017
  35. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    I see this daily my friend, Even they stated that they do not reverse it happens and than its to late? the rep comes on and pleads there shit but moneys already spent

    Party is good but I suffer from bad hangovers :mad: when I was younger it was all good as just had another drink, jumped on a motor bike and got some fresh air but Times have changed

    Oh the good ole days :)

    CONFUSED about WR rules: scan0007.jpg,Jul 19, 2017
     
  36. Jul 19, 2017
  37. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Offshore worker
    Location:
    North east England
    A man from my own heart haha!
    Kudos mate!..
    I no longer can party like I used to as have a daughter who's only 3, however in spare time I can still re live the old times!..
    my hangovers now are Terrible, last 2 days :-(
    I'm not working offshore for the next 6 months as home situations have changed, however I'm in Aberdeen from Sunday for work, and know many a good bar!..
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2017

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