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Tirilej

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She is on Spelpaus but she told me for other reasons (yeah, this DO sound stupid now) but I believed her. It don’t know for how long.

This change everything in here so thanks for that!

She self excluded from the L&L group last year for gambling problems, we all know that through Jan.

She also signed up to Spelpaus this year. That is a bigger self exclusion and are for all casinos that has a Swedish license.

That makes it several self exclusions and if she had no problem she wouldn't have done that.

If you had been innocent and not manipulative then you had been gone from here a long time ago.
I think you have been the one playing all the time, and probably she thought she could stop you by signing up to Spelpaus.
 

Sajsan12

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This change everything in here so thanks for that!

She self excluded from the L&L group last year for gambling problems, we all know that through Jan.

She also signed up to Spelpaus this year. That is a bigger self exclusion and are for all casinos that has a Swedish license.

That makes it several self exclusions and if she had no problem she wouldn't have done that.

If you had been innocent and not manipulative then you had been gone from here a long time ago.
I think you have been the one playing all the time, and probably she thought she could stop you by signing up to Spelpaus.

That is definitely not the case. But I do appreciate the effort you put in trying to make ME look bad.

She apparently had a gambling problem I did not know anything about. I never experienced any troubles gambling.

All the accusations are so weird.

First I tried to scam the casinos playing risk free and asked for deposits back. Never happened.

Then you say that I am my girlfriend implying she would have been the one gambling all the time.

And now you say that I’ve been the one gambling on her accounts and that SHE tried to stop ME?

So how is it?
 
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Sajsan12

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I am the only one who actually KNOWS that what I say is correct.

Yes, apparently my gf lied. spending more or less the last day reading about gambling addiction that is what that does to people.

Weird things happened, I’m with you on that. But not all the people facing problems are liars.
 
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Sajsan12

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Yeah, and now I’m out for real. Everyone of you accuse me for different things.

Like I said.

First I was a scammer trying to cheat the system, playing risk free. “I’m sure you would have asked for deposits back”. No, that’s never been the case. Never will be. I think I proved that by now.

But then all of a sudden you were sure I was my girlfriend and now when I leave this thread some of you accuse ME for having the gambling addiction.

Sure thing.

Not everyone is a fkn scammer.

Good bye.
 

bamberfishcake

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I asked the casino this YESTERDAY. Because I NOW KNOW about that.

At the start I didn’t. Be as disgusting as the others and put things together randomly just to make me look bad. Nice.

Not putting things together randomly. It was a conscious decision to click the mouse and add both of those quotes. There are a lot more examples but as i said before i do not have the inclination. I did mention one or two that did'nt add up in my previous post you have missed or ignored.

That you know what 'give them enough rope' means surprises me also because you claim you have a bad grasp of English. You fired from the hip so assume you wouldnt have googled.
 

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This is growing faster than streamer threads :eek2:

Haven't bother to read all pages as they seem bit repetitive, but if i did read something right, you can't use your bank account for gambling transactions as these can't show there due to work or what so ever but are withdrawals from gambling then different and ok to show there as withdrawals to Trustly seem to be ok even for bigger amounts?
 

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If I understand well, most of the people who don't believe the story thinks that the OP is not a he, but a she (the SE-ed girlfriend). How about if one of the "accusers" sets up a quick Skype (or whatever) call with the OP to check it (hopefully it can be verified by the voice or the video) if he agrees?
If the OP is not the girlfriend then the story should be more credible.
 

Sajsan12

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If I understand well, most of the people who don't believe the story thinks that the OP is not a he, but a she (the SE-ed girlfriend). How about if one of the "accusers" sets up a quick Skype (or whatever) call with the OP to check it (hopefully it can be verified by the voice or the video) if he agrees?
If the OP is not the girlfriend then the story should be more credible.

Wouldn’t mind that at all. If someones interested, hit me up.
 

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TBH, it could have been an option to the casino as well to do a video call where they identify the player (e.g. holding the ID card to the camera etc.) and then if it is really not the the SE-d girlfriend they should have paid (unless they expect both of them part of the SE cheat).
 

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This is growing faster than streamer threads :eek2:

Haven't bother to read all pages as they seem bit repetitive, but if i did read something right, you can't use your bank account for gambling transactions as these can't show there due to work or what so ever but are withdrawals from gambling then different and ok to show there as withdrawals to Trustly seem to be ok even for bigger amounts?
Great point, and one I am sure that will be ignored by the OP......
 

Sajsan12

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Great point, and one I am sure that will be ignored by the OP......

already answered this earlier in the thread. Depositing with a card shows what kind of transaction it is. Trustly withdrawals does not.

My personal finances and why I chose to use my partners card is none of your business.

You guys don’t know shit about my job and what I do. And I can’t disclose that either. But it have its reasons. I won’t say more than that.
 
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You might have asked a few casinos (you said you signed up at many) where your losses are negligible, so a fight for a refund is not worth it. Classic trick, ask a few to make your case.

I am definitely edging towards thinking this thing is fishy, some of the replies are just not convincing or in the right tone, but if you have to fight for the refunds is it such a failsafe scam?

If the regulator has not set down rules regarding this particular situation and refunds, how could the op be sure in the event of large losses he'd obtain refunds, and it could certainly involve a major fight.

I've read on this forum about SE'd uk players circumventing the sign up process by changing their email address or something and then if they lose request a refund but not when you have two people involved and one is not SE'd, this to me is an untested or new scam.

People in relationships often go to great lengths to hide gambling addiction and losses, so it is not impossible that the op was not aware of the full situation

Overall to be on the safe side I think the outcome is fair to both parties, but it would've been interesting to see how ARN analysed and judged it, the rights and wrongs.
 

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I am definitely edging towards thinking this thing is fishy, some of the replies are just not convincing or in the right tone, but if you have to fight for the refunds is it such a failsafe scam?

If the regulator has not set down rules regarding this particular situation and refunds, how could the op be sure in the event of large losses he'd obtain refunds, and it could certainly involve a major fight.

I've read on this forum about SE'd uk players circumventing the sign up process by changing their email address or something and then if they lose request a refund but not when you have two people involved and one is not SE'd, this to me is an untested or new scam.

People in relationships often go to great lengths to hide gambling addiction and losses, so it is not impossible that the op was not aware of the full situation

Overall to be on the safe side I think the outcome is fair to both parties, but it would've been interesting to see how ARN analysed and judged it, the rights and wrongs.

Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left as to what is happening here.
 
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Tirilej

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There are another thread on the same subject at Flashback (Swedish) and the OP is questioned the same way there, especially after it was clear she was self excluded because of gambling problems.

Then we have that forum I had no idea it existed. LånForum..se. That's something for casinos to pick up on. A lot of good information on how your customers can afford to gamble :rolleyes:

Actually I've learned a bit more about the Swedish regulations now but I don't care if the OP would be in the right or not since I'm sure it's one person that have played.

Sajsan12 signed up here in Nov-18 and at the same time Sajsan121212 wrote a lot on another forum about her problem and self excluded at Spelpaus 1 January 2019.
 

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Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left what is happening here.

So in effect the gf never gambled but by self excluding herself it gives the joint card some refund protection against the gambling losses the op might run up?

Or the gf was addicted, and self excluded but then wanted to carry on gambling so got the boyfriend to sign up to new casinos, where she could then play under the guise that it was him?
 

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So in effect the gf never gambled but by self excluding herself it gives the joint card some refund protection against the gambling losses the op might run up?

We can only assume that Mack. But there a few scenarios possible, depending who is the culprit, the so-called "girlfriend" or the OP (if it is a different person).

The background is though that it looks like an addicted gambler has been circumventing the system and had now finally a lucky streak that was worth cashing out. According to Jan, the session lasted all night. A recreational player as the OP implied that he is wouldn't sit all night spinning reels.
 

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We can only assume that Mack. But there a few scenarios possible, depending who is the culprit, the so-called "girlfriend" or the OP (if it is a different person).

The background is though that it looks like an addicted gambler has been circumventing the system and had now finally a lucky streak that was worth cashing out. According to Jan, the session lasted all night. A recreational player as the OP implied that he is wouldn't sit all night spinning reels.

Yes that was another circumstantial point that concerned me, you don't get to that stage of gambling and risking until you've played a fair bit and lost a fair bit, but the op claimed he was fairly new to gambling, we're talking in this case £20K+ winnings?
 

Sajsan12

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Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left as to what is happening here.

like I said, I’m open to a Skype call if you still believe that I’m my girlfriend. No problem. My very long beard will give my gender away ;)
 

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like I said, I’m open to a Skype call if you still believe that I’m my girlfriend. No problem. My very long beard will give my gender away ;)

That would be no point if the girlfriend didn't sit next to you describing what she did :)

Why are you not going to ARN? They are the only ones who can help you get the winnings. To keep on discussing your case or trying to make us believe you won't give you anything.
 

Sajsan12

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You guys are very good at assumptions I should say. Just because I haven’t gambled before much, or for long, there is a good reason why I spent the whole night gambling. I requested the logs from BankID aswell, asking if they can proof that I used face recognition when I logged on.
 

Sajsan12

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That would be no point if the girlfriend didn't sit next to you describing what she did :)

Why are you not going to ARN? They are the only ones who can help you get the winnings. To keep on discussing your case or trying to make us believe you won't give you anything.

Send me a pm and I will give you my number. My girlfriend isn’t here. I can provide you with the exact details again if that would make you feel better :)

I haven’t fully wrapped my head around the issues my girlfriend have/had. I haven’t found the right timing to ask about the other forum posts and so on. But that I will keep private.
 
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