closed my account at 32red today

hobobiker

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im not depositing any more at 32 or indeed at any MG casino .........the payout % over the last 2 months has dropped ....dramatically ... i know when its bad luck and when its a % change in the game ...
and before ...i get blah blah ...millions of spins to get a true idea ....i have wagered over 410,000 at MG casinos in the last 12 months (bout 150,000 at 32red) and thats mainly on about 3 slots, thats a lot of spins at about 50p to 2.00 a spin...... and ive had some very decent wins ....in the past ...but the last month or so ive been struggling to even get to double my deposit in most sessions ......bad luck??? ...maybe for a week or so ...but not for 2 months , ive been gambling for long enough to know when a slot aint right ....and mg slots aint right at the moment ........returns of 60% on over 1000 spins ....bonus rounds that dont pay anything ....
been gambling for 25 years ...and i have not come across payouts like that before ....either land based or online .
and then to be told "well its to do with the wager .....or the number of spins .....or in the long term the you should get 95% if you do a million and one plays....blah blah blah ........its just bullshit.

i dont gamble based on a yearly , million play cycle, i gamble when i got cash to burn and wanna have some fun, and i want to win ....a lot ... i dont want to be told that i have to look at it in the long term ........hey bet a 100, 000 over the year and you might get a 95% return ???????
i dont see why my previous or future wagers or returns should have any bearing on my present ....or very recent wagers.and returns... they would be irrelevent at a land based casino.

so bollocks to what my returns were on the 400 odd K thats gone before ....the fact is that i aint playing somewhere that thinks it can give as low as 50% returns on slots....and then say " yeah but thats ok cos 8 months ago you had a big win ...... and your 5 yearly percentage payout report says ...blah blah.." its an outrage and its takin the piss.
 

happygobrokey

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you're frickin jokes, buddy!

if i recall, last time you showed up here was to bitch about 32red as well. my advice, you can't lose if you don't play, and if you think some one or entity is a swindler, stop giving them your money willingly. and don't come here to complain, when you know we all think otherwise and will show you no love. what exactly is it you want us to do? surely there's no discussion to be had on this matter, because you won't accept what we are going to tell you about the proven facts of gambling, and no one seems to share in your sentiments.

:thumbsup:
 

chuchu59

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It's just as well that you have quit 32 RED as you have had so many unpleasant experiences with them. Maybe you can try Crystal Palace or the like. With the NICE Rtg slots and the impeccable customer service there, you get the best of both worlds. Please come back and tell us your payout rate then.
 

Zoozie

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and before ...i get blah blah ...millions of spins to get a true idea ....i have wagered over 410,000 at MG casinos in the last 12 months
Wagering 410K on slots is really asking to get ripped.
If you lost less than 25K you have actually been lucky! That is the way slots work. If you had played JoB VP it would be less than a 2K loss in average.

Slots are probably the most expensive hobby you can get, even if you low roll at 0.20/spin. The Winning screenshot thread give people false hopes and you will see the majority of the wins are not much more than 100*bet size, and this win you can give back in just 10 minutes play.

Whenever I see a 100*bet-win at slots in the winning screenshots thread at bet 1$/1 or more, I know the player is a major overall loser, or very soon to be one. And even at this bet-size it must have a major impact on their financial situation.

As long as slots-payout are less than 98% I refuse to play them without a bonus. They are fun, but not worth the cost for me. And from all your crying it seems you finally have decided that it was also not worth the cost for you.

Zoozie
 

Christoff

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32Red are a fantastic organisation and have always treated my fairly - my biggest wins have come there.

Maybe you have just been unlucky :)

I have heard the margins are getting lower on Microgaming but that is only a rumour.

Try the Accredited List for some other reputable casinos :thumbsup:
 

Simmo!

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I agree 32Red are among the better operations. I also feel that MG is fair software, even though the variance can be high. I've had 2 or 3 bad months on the trot before now, but to me, that's gambling. But I also agree that any player who recognises that they are a) losing regularly (or more than they want to lose) and b) not getting any fun from a casino should close their accounts and quit.

If hobobiker feels that MG is not giving him the experience he wants from gambling, then he is right to quit and walk away. Many players play for entertainment, and if it ceases to be entertaining, then it takes some resolve to walk away and should be applauded IMO.
 

Slotster!

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32RED, Spin Palace and Roxy Palace are the only three MG operations you'll ever need. Regular stories of wins as well as losses just doesn't stack up with the "secret percentage altering" conspiracy theories...

I've had an unprecedented NIGHTMARE return on slots this year, at almost every MG casino I've played at... Funnily enough, I've rarely left Las Vegas "UP" either; it's thanks to my behaviour as opposed to the games I'm playing. How many times does the variance/percentages of slots need to be discussed on this forum before bad losers get the message? Jeeeez....

You're struggling coming to terms with bad luck on slots, you should definitely quit full stop.
 

ergopro

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I closed my 32red account as well...and Dash and BetDirect.
Plus all others I could come up with.
Will stick to poker- seems to be a better option...can't stand the swings at casinos. Just my 2 cents.
 

Christoff

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32Red are a fantastic organisation and have always treated my fairly - my biggest wins have come there.

Maybe you have just been unlucky :)

I have heard the margins are getting lower on Microgaming but that is only a rumour.

Try the Accredited List for some other reputable casinos :thumbsup:
Btw, meant the margins for white-labels partners, not players :thumbsup:
 

KasinoKing

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You know what they say - if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

Sorry you've had such a rotten time. Maybe it's time to find a more rewarding hobby - something where your money will last longer - like drinking beer! :drink:

Good luck for the future.
KK
 

kimss

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i dont see why my previous or future wagers or returns should have any bearing on my present ....or very recent wagers.and returns... they would be irrelevent at a land based casino.
Spot on! Unless you are gambling against yourself - previous and future wagers doesn't mean f**k!
 

hobobiker

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you're frickin jokes, buddy!

. my advice, you can't lose if you don't play, and if you think some one or entity is a swindler, stop giving them your money willingly. and don't come here to complain, when you know we all think otherwise and will show you no love. what exactly is it you want us to do?
:thumbsup:
one thing i dont want is your love??? .....i why should i not come here to complain ? what the hell is a forum for if not to comment and complain.

my advice, you can't lose if you don't play

dont understand this comment ...... i do play and i do lose .....so what??


just dont expect to get returns of 40% over 4 days play and a wager of over 650 on low bets ..... its just wrong ... very wrong.

last chat below:




Barbara: Thank you for contacting us, mark. My name is Barbara, how can I help?

mark: could you tell me my total wager and return % for the last 4 days ...
Barbara: you have wagered 675.70

Barbara: and the return is 45.69

mark: sorry is that the return % .. .45.69?

Barbara: that is the payout percentage for the last 4 days

Barbara: i can see you have had a run of bad luck so i will forward this onto our manager for him to take a look for you

mark: er righto ....but what will reporting it to your manager result in?

Barbara: not sure but i will let him know

mark: thanks bye

Barbara: You’re welcome

Barbara: bye
 

happygobrokey

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so you want 95% back on each and every spin?

if i were to get a "winner-screens" calibre result on my ninth spin of a session, i would quite right there or very soon after, and my returns could be like 10 000%. surely that is not what the slots are supposed to pay.

nor should they pay 50% or less, but the fact remains that the smaller the sample size, the larger margin for error (or variance from the statistical mean). the average return from all spins and all sessions being added together creates the theoretical mean.

the percentage that a slot does pay is discovered by adding all the payouts of every reel layout together and dividing by the number of possible layouts. but we all know that one large number skews things considerably.

say you are playing deal or no deal. the cases that remain are $1, $5, $100, and $1Million. your value at this point is (1+5+100+1 000 000)/4= $250 026.50. but the bank offer of course will be lower, to encourage you to try and knock out the biggie. as soon as the mil is out of play, your value goes way the fuck down. your value before opening a single case in the american iteration of DonD is ~$131 000. only five of the cases have more than this, and these huge amounts are what props up your value in the game. the fewer of these that remain, the value decreases dramatically.

by the same token, if you eliminate the hugest wins from consideration, the slot may pay out closer to 75%. this is exactly the same for vp as well. unless you catch a pat straight flush or royal flush, in all likelihood the game will be paying you like 85% instead of the theoretical 99.5%. the more you play, the better your chance of hitting your share of the huge wins that will bring you back to where you should be.

regarding what i said about not playing and you won't lose, what i mean is the expected return on 0 spins is 100%, so if you don't like your results from playing, don't gamble and you won't lose anything. :thumbsup:
 

chuchu59

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Hobobiker,

At least Barbara had the decency to refer your case to the manager. Some CSRs will simply state that either your number of spins was too small or that the payout on slots is 9x% on average. Keep us posted on the outcome of the referral. I would like to know what 32 RED says about this.
 

hobobiker

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so you want 95% back on each and every spin?

if i were to get a "winner-screens" calibre result on my ninth spin of a session, i would quite right there or very soon after, and my returns could be like 10 000%. surely that is not what the slots are supposed to pay.

nor should they pay 50% or less, but the fact remains that the smaller the sample size, the larger margin for error (or variance from the statistical mean). the average return from all spins and all sessions being added together creates the theoretical mean.

the percentage that a slot does pay is discovered by adding all the payouts of every reel layout together and dividing by the number of possible layouts. but we all know that one large number skews things considerably.

say you are playing deal or no deal. the cases that remain are $1, $5, $100, and $1Million. your value at this point is (1+5+100+1 000 000)/4= $250 026.50. but the bank offer of course will be lower, to encourage you to try and knock out the biggie. as soon as the mil is out of play, your value goes way the fuck down. your value before opening a single case in the american iteration of DonD is ~$131 000. only five of the cases have more than this, and these huge amounts are what props up your value in the game. the fewer of these that remain, the value decreases dramatically.

by the same token, if you eliminate the hugest wins from consideration, the slot may pay out closer to 75%. this is exactly the same for vp as well. unless you catch a pat straight flush or royal flush, in all likelihood the game will be paying you like 85% instead of the theoretical 99.5%. the more you play, the better your chance of hitting your share of the huge wins that will bring you back to where you should be.

regarding what i said about not playing and you won't lose, what i mean is the expected return on 0 spins is 100%, so if you don't like your results from playing, don't gamble and you won't lose anything. :thumbsup:
sorry ....but you have really really lost me on this post, i have read it a few times now and i still dont understand what you are trying to say.
 

hobobiker

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Hobobiker,

At least Barbara had the decency to refer your case to the manager. Some CSRs will simply state that either your number of spins was too small or that the payout on slots is 9x% on average. Keep us posted on the outcome of the referral. I would like to know what 32 RED says about this.
yeah i know Barbara was ok about it ...as all the staff at 32 always are ...as i have always said , i cannot fault the customer service at 32red ....its always been 100% ...better than elswhere, and yes i will keep you posted on the outcome ....
 

happygobrokey

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what i am saying is that the posted payout rates of a game include the top prizes as contributing to the payout. unfortunately, many of us never hit the big prizes. so if you strike these prizes out of consideration, the amount you can win is greatly reduced.

if there is a box full of 1000 balls, 700 of the balls giving a prize of $0, 200 giving a prize of $1, 99 giving a prize of $5, and 1 giving a prize of $1000, then the value of each ball as an average is (700x0 + 200x1 + 99x5 + 1x1000)/1000 = 1.695. now if you feel that the chance of getting the $1000 ball (1/1000) is so unlikely to happen, then you would not factor it into your consideration. so of the 999 non-jackpot balls, the average value is (700x0 + 200x1 + 99x5)/999 = 0.695695.

all your value goes out the window when the top prizes are (virtually) unattainable. if the game cost $1 to play, you should make a killing because the value each time you play is $1.695. but you only get to realize the value of 1.695 if you hit the jackpot at some point. otherwise you are playing with .696 return. you could play far more than 1000 times before you ever recoup the value by hitting the big one. so the value of slots are .95, but if you don't hit the huge prizes when you play, you are getting a far lower return of maybe .75 or even less.

going back to DonD, your value at the start is $131k. but this is greatly inflated by the few cases with huge amounts in them. if you choose the first six cases and reveal all of the 6-figure amounts and the million, then your value decreases to something far less because the maximum you could win now is 75k, and most of the cases left are 4-figures or less. it is not exactly the same as for slots since the top prizes there don't disappear, but it is a very relevant case for studying game theory and value of information. :thumbsup:
 

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