Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

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kakata

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LOL LOL LOL
I didnt get it. Sorry .lol
Im kind of late.................lol:notworthy
 

Westland Bowl

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DamianDunlap (on OPU) said:
If you gave money to cipher or he owes you money. Please send me a email.
Damiandunlap@hotmail.com
I will not post your name or story in the forum or any site, unless you want me too.
If you want a good chance to go after his assets, this might be the only action you can take.

Thanks

Let Damian know if you gave money to Cipher and want to get it back. So far, it looks as if the total is going to hit $200,000 soon.
 

Stanford

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Who do that Voodoo like Cipher do

Let Damian know if you gave money to Cipher and want to get it back. So far, it looks as if the total is going to hit $200,000 soon.

Oh Geez. Well it makes sense.

Guys, when people come down hard on your "systems", please understand it isn't just to rain on your parade. If we had all laughed at the Cipher system we would have saved some pain.

Playing a system for fun is one thing. Spinning staw into gold through some system or progession is another. Sure you can sometimes get an edge against the house but when you do, you will be able to calculate the edge. And you can bet the casino won't let you exploit it when they know what it is.

We should have taken this guy down hard a long time ago. His "system" is what allowed him to hoodwink these people.

He is still scamming. Go to his site. For $1,000 you too can pin your hopes and dreams on some randomly generated red and green lines.

Stanford.
 

cipher

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Cipher , Can you make those images bigger cant see what you are trying to post.

Given the size limitations for the site here I don't know how I could, unless someone could tell me how to do that.

Basically it's all contained in the garbage thread over at the player union site.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 

Jtmoney

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Cipher all of that is meaningless. Why don't you answer the questions that everyone has been asking you? You do everything else except answer the question directed at you on this forum.
 

RobWin

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And tell me JT what would that question be?

Cipher


How about for starters ask yourself this question Cipher:

Am I (Cipher) Man Enough To Admit That I Am A Con Man And Have Done Some Folks Wrong ?

Answer that one for us buddy !
 

bongwater

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questions

You should be able to answer all of the following questions:

When are you going to pay Liquid Chips?

When are you going to pay the Luxe group?

When are you going to pay the man in Liquid Chips' story that is called "richard"? I beleive he is really named david from what I have gathered and may be your web designer.

If you are not going to pay these people, do you have any evidence or arguments that would suggest that you do not owe them money?

Are you ever going to stop the lies and the BS and come clean and apologize like a man?

Do you have a gambling problem?

Do you have an overeating problem?

Are you ever going to come to terms with all of these problems and try and start the road to recovery?


This is it, you need to answer these questions as directly as possible. You have to realize that your reputation, your livelihood, heck, even your freedom are at stake here. You need to own up - you obviously lost a lot of money that was not yours to lose and the only way out is to tell the truth. You have already admitted that you owe the money to Liquid Chips, I am sure that the others stories will hold up as well. You need to make amends, you need to own up and start to work on realistic payment plans.

BW
 

Johnny Empire

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:mad:

There are no "secret" ways to make a fortune. Anyone offering you 15% monthly (that's only 435% per year... easy right? ;) ) is trying to trick you out of your cash. If I could make 15% monthly doing something I'd keep it to myself. Who needs investors with that rate of return?

Centuries ago con artists would claim vast fortunes in the new world. Just invest and reap the rewards. ;)

Decades ago con artists would have secret formulas that let gasoline engines run on water. Just invest and reap the rewards. ;)

Now it is Nigerian bank scams and... the wizard of BJ.
 

cipher

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I think at least one of the questions jt is reffering to is:

Why don't you pay WB the rest of the money due.

Are you sure you're ready for this?

I'm under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to pay Westland Bowls, Westland Bowl's brother or even any of Westland Bowl's ridiculous aliases a dime. And that my friend is an absolute fact of law.

The money that was "invested" with me was Westland Bowl's Mother's money. Moreover, it was perfectly understood and memorialized in writing, and from the very start that all funds in my care and control belonging to Westland Bowl's Mother would be paid to Westland Bowl's Mother.

Just in case anyone was not aware, Westland Bowl's mother unfortunately passed away not too long ago. Now there's a couple other little caveats in all this that no one on this site or any of the other sites has paid even the slightest bit of attention to even though they were right under everybodies collective noses the entire time.

1) The fact (not speculation) but fact. Westland Bowl is an Auditor for the City in which he resides. and 2) Given that fact, Westland Bowl knows full well that any money that I have or may have had care and control over is by law subject to collection and distribution through the Probate Courts of the county in which Westland Bowl's mother resided.

Finally, all of you armchair attorneys can go back to watching re-runs of Perry Mason or at the very least get a life!!!

Cipher
 

winbig

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After you having said that, I sure hope you can watch your back. You just took it to a whole new personal level with WB by trying to make this new claim. You're the one that needs to get a life and actually take responsibility for what you have done.

All you're doing is grasping for straws here, looking for any excuse not to pay the man his money. Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you came from?
 

RobWin

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Are you sure you're ready for this?

I'm under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to pay Westland Bowls, Westland Bowl's brother or even any of Westland Bowl's ridiculous aliases a dime. And that my friend is an absolute fact of law.

The money that was "invested" with me was Westland Bowl's Mother's money. Moreover, it was perfectly understood and memorialized in writing, and from the very start that all funds in my care and control belonging to Westland Bowl's Mother would be paid to Westland Bowl's Mother.

Just in case anyone was not aware, Westland Bowl's mother unfortunately passed away not too long ago. Now there's a couple other little caveats in all this that no one on this site or any of the other sites has paid even the slightest bit of attention to even though they were right under everybodies collective noses the entire time.

1) The fact (not speculation) but fact. Westland Bowl is an Auditor for the City in which he resides. and 2) Given that fact, Westland Bowl knows full well that any money that I have or may have had care and control over is by law subject to collection and distribution through the Probate Courts of the county in which Westland Bowl's mother resided.

Finally, all of you armchair attorneys can go back to watching re-runs of Perry Mason or at the very least get a life!!!

Cipher


You are obligated to pay her Estate though.

So be a man about it and pay back the money to WB mothers estate and


STAND UP AND BE A MAN ?
 

Pinababy69

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Cipher, just when I thought you couldn't get any lower, you have surprised me. So this is your big legal argument? That because Tim's mother died, you are under no obligation to pay him back the money that HE gave you. I'm not a lawyer, nor have I ever pretended to be. Forget the law...you Cipher, are as morally bankrupt an individual as I have ever come across. I would never be so crass as to suggest you hasten your own demise, but I can tell you this. There is a special place in hell reserved for you and those like you. Excuse me while I go puke. :puke: :puke: :puke:
 
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