Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

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cipher

Banned member - being a jerk
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Nobody had asked me about what I did for a living, Cipher. So there was no need to say that I am an auditor. So what? My job had no bearing on whether you owed me the money or not. It was a non-pertinent fact to the whole matter. I haven't seen anyone speculating about what I did for a living. There's plenty of talk about what YOU did

Well, yeah, I called it my mother's money but the funds were drawn from me and my mother's joint account. She considered whatever money in the account as "ours" (me and my mother's) but I considered it mom's "care" money. There is nothing to Probate because YOU got the money, Cipher! Nursing care costs dwindled her account. Now remember, my original post? I relate how I asked you to send September 2006 disbursement because cash was getting low. We eventually had to rely on her credit cards to stay afloat while waiting (and waiting) for you to come through. But nooooo.....then my mother had to go into the hospital. But Probate or not, what the hell is the problem with not paying the whole $17,600? huh?

Unfortunately there were an awful lot people that got involved in this case with very few, if any, facts. When I made the offer that I made incident to the payment plan, nearly everyone perceived that to be a weakness rather than as a genuine offer as it was intended to be. Moreover your allying yourself with such persons as Damian Dunlap and Marcus Dalton.

Now, there are numerous actions that will be taken so as to preclude those types of individuals from acting in such a manner again.

Have a good one.
 

RobWin

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Unfortunately there were an awful lot people that got involved in this case with very few, if any, facts. When I made the offer that I made incident to the payment plan, nearly everyone perceived that to be a weakness rather than as a genuine offer as it was intended to be. Moreover your allying yourself with such persons as Damian Dunlap and Marcus Dalton.

Now, there are numerous actions that will be taken so as to preclude those types of individuals from acting in such a manner again.
Have a good one.

Hear is a post that you can relate to Cipher with your intellect:

Dude, you are so fucking far gone in your mind right now, you really just need to shut the fuck up ! :mad:

You know you are really starting to PISS me off....:sniper:

Say Bye Now !:xxx
 

inthedesert

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Location
Palm Springs, California
Unfortunately there were an awful lot people that got involved in this case with very few, if any, facts. When I made the offer that I made incident to the payment plan, nearly everyone perceived that to be a weakness rather than as a genuine offer as it was intended to be. Moreover your allying yourself with such persons as Damian Dunlap and Marcus Dalton.

Now, there are numerous actions that will be taken so as to preclude those types of individuals from acting in such a manner again.

Have a good one.

Are you high? The only offer you should be making is to pay back in full. The offers you make (at least in public) aren't what I would call fair. What was the last one? I will pay you $500 a month till the balance is paid but you got 60 minutes to respond.

The fact that you continue to post and make yourself look like a fool is beyond me. You didn't pay then and now you won't pay. What does Damian have to do with the fact you can't write a check. As I said before you continue to shift your actions onto others. It's everyone else's fault but your own. Give me a break.
 

Jtmoney

Non-Gambler
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Location
Atlanta
Unfortunately there were an awful lot people that got involved in this case with very few, if any, facts. When I made the offer that I made incident to the payment plan, nearly everyone perceived that to be a weakness rather than as a genuine offer as it was intended to be. Moreover your allying yourself with such persons as Damian Dunlap and Marcus Dalton.

Now, there are numerous actions that will be taken so as to preclude those types of individuals from acting in such a manner again.

Have a good one.

That MF :lolup: is really done gone crazy
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
When I made the offer that I made incident to the payment plan, nearly everyone perceived that to be a weakness rather than as a genuine offer as it was intended to be.

Genuine offer? $500 twice a month for the next year and a half? You call that genuine? Cipher, what do you see when you look in the mirror? When you look into your own eyes, what do you see? I'd bet you see emptiness, nothing, a bottomless pit. That is what's inside of you if you truly believe what you are posting. If you really think you've done nothing wrong, morally bankrupt isn't even a strong enough term. It's sad, I hate shit like this, really hate it.
 

mitch

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UK
The money that was "invested" with me was Westland Bowl's Mother's money.
Just in case anyone was not aware, Westland Bowl's mother unfortunately passed away not too long ago.
Finally, all of you armchair attorneys can go back to watching re-runs of Perry Mason or at the very least get a life!!!

Cipher

Cipher you are a very small man. Hardly a man at all in fact.

You are so transparent.

From the moment I first joined this Forum I had you twigged. It was obvious that not only were you a total BSer and a snakeoil salesman but that you were a very sad individual. You obviously had very big issues with self respect. It was clear to me that you had probably never achieved anything of worth in real life and in consequence needed people to recognise you as a genius in relation to gambling.

You revelled in the image of a Superman whom no casino could conquer and that is why you always reacted so aggressively when challenged. It's a pity we cannot see those times when you have lost huge amounts of money and you are curled up in your bed inwardly or outwardly weeping.

You recognise this don't you Cipher?

Why don't you post a video on your site?

You continue to try to reinforce your pathetic image with your pseudo legal language as if anyone with half a brain cannot see through it.

Well my friend, whilst you obviously know next to nothing about the law, I do and you are talking absolute bollocks in relation to WBs mother and any contract you may imagine you had with her.

I have dealt with many criminal fraudsters in my life and believe me Cipher you are very small fry, no genius at all, even at fraud.

Of course you are relying on the difficulty in proving this was a financial arrangement rather than a gambling syndicate.

Well I hope there are enough injured parties out there to give the lie to this. We will see.

Notwithstanding the outcome, you will be forever seen by the people whose approval and admiration you have sought as the sad little individual you are.

Let that fact eat away at what little self respect you ever had.

I, and no doubt the majority of posters on this Forum, will take great satisfaction at that fact.

Mitch
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
Cipher you are a very small man. Hardly a man at all in fact.

You are so transparent.

From the moment I first joined this Forum I had you twigged. It was obvious that not only were you a total BSer and a snakeoil salesman but that you were a very sad individual. You obviously had very big issues with self respect. It was clear to me that you had probably never achieved anything of worth in real life and in consequence needed people to recognise you as a genius in relation to gambling.

You revelled in the image of a Superman whom no casino could conquer and that is why you always reacted so aggressively when challenged. It's a pity we cannot see those times when you have lost huge amounts of money and you are curled up in your bed inwardly or outwardly weeping.

You recognise this don't you Cipher?

Why don't you post a video on your site?

You continue to try to reinforce your pathetic image with your pseudo legal language as if anyone with half a brain cannot see through it.

Well my friend, whilst you obviously know next to nothing about the law, I do and you are talking absolute bollocks in relation to WBs mother and any contract you may imagine you had with her.

I have dealt with many criminal fraudsters in my life and believe me Cipher you are very small fry, no genius at all, even at fraud.

Of course you are relying on the difficulty in proving this was a financial arrangement rather than a gambling syndicate.

Well I hope there are enough injured parties out there to give the lie to this. We will see.

Notwithstanding the outcome, you will be forever seen by the people whose approval and admiration you have sought as the sad little individual you are.

Let that fact eat away at what little self respect you ever had.

I, and no doubt the majority of posters on this Forum, will take great satisfaction at that fact.

Mitch

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Wow Mitch, do you have him pegged. That is a great post and very insightful. Did I mention I've missed you around here? :thumbsup:
 

Westland Bowl

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Cipher, let's not being posting anymore....fighting through the forums. I said what I wanted to say, you said what you wanted to say. You obviously are not going to pay me so obviously the next step is through the courts. Let us abide what the judge(s) rule. There's no point in always ranking near the top of everyone's "New Posts" clicks. Let the online gambling world move on while we settle our dispute. Can we do that?
 

onemoorebaby

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My stomach is turning reading the shit this scumbag is posting.

What a heartless cretin. It is also painfully obvious he has no spine so he is pulling out everything he can think of to turn it around.

whether you owe the money to wb or his mother it is still owed to her estate.

Its bad enough wb is grieving such a loss but to have such horrendous issues to deal with also is just NOT ON.

I have reread ciphers posts over and over and am yet to see him actually answer anyones questions.

:puke: :puke: :puke:
 

liquidsoap

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I have stayed quite the whole thread. I have read every forum that I can find bashing Cipher.
I have to say Cipher, you disapoint me!
I recall the poker complaint where the person won a lot of money you were trying to help them. Did you have a hidden agenda??
Did you really want to help that person out?? :what:
Or where you just being a total fraudster hoping he would invest some of his money if he did get paid in you.

I do got to say Cipher, you have to feel pretty good about yourself. After all, selling a blackjack system that doesnt work. Conning people into giving you money, and stealing (YES STEALING) WB's mothers money.

The funny thing is Cipher is I think Mitch(Welcome back BTW) knows you better then you know yourself. You are just a greedy gambling addict. I am willing to bet you lost WB's mothers money playing blackjack. If your system did work, you would save face, win some money, and give it to WB. Thats right I forgot it does not work.

WB, Catman whatever you want to be called, I am sorry about your mother. I hope Cipher is prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.
Book em' boys!
 

mikepipe

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still progressing
What do you - what do we - expect?
Apparently cipher doesnt believe, what he says. He is driven in a corner and desperately fights to save face (or what is remaing).
Honestly: I dont think that this thread is going to help westland and others from now on.
We should seriously consider to close it and let lawyers and mirrors (sic) do the rest.
 

winbig

Keep winning this amount.
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Location
Pennsylvania
I just wonder if the person he was helping to get that large sum of money got swindled themselves.

Interesting theory on the hidden agenda LS.

I have to agree on closing the thread...almost 10,000 views since Thursday. That says ALOT. I think it's gotten all the exposure it deserves, and we're just beating a dead horse from here on out.
 

RobWin

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I just wonder if the person he was helping to get that large sum of money got swindled themselves.

Interesting theory on the hidden agenda LS.

I have to agree on closing the thread...almost 10,000 views since Thursday. That says ALOT. I think it's gotten all the exposure it deserves, and we're just beating a dead horse from here on out.


I think I have to agree with you winbig and mikepipe. I have heard all the Lame-ass BS out of Cipher that I think I can take. The weasel is basically just OLLLAMF and thats all there is to it.

Karma is a Bitch Cipher, and you can take that to the grave with you and live it in another life. It will catch up with your sorry ass one of these days.
 

Pinababy69

RIP Lisa
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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
I agree with you guys about closing the thread. It has served its purpose, and hopefully Cipher will have to look elsewhere for new marks (besides CM). The thread will always still be here, in case anyone comes and types Cipher in the search box. That's good enough for me.

It's just an incredibly sad, depressing tale all the way round and continuing to post serves no purpose. It's now up to Tim and his family to deal with this.
 

greedygirl

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Just in case anyone was not aware, Westland Bowl's mother unfortunately passed away not too long ago. Now there's a couple other little caveats in all this that no one on this site or any of the other sites has paid even the slightest bit of attention to even though they were right under everybodies collective noses the entire time.

1) The fact (not speculation) but fact. Westland Bowl is an Auditor for the City in which he resides. and 2) Given that fact, Westland Bowl knows full well that any money that I have or may have had care and control over is by law subject to collection and distribution through the Probate Courts of the county in which Westland Bowl's mother resided.

Cipher

It took Cipher nearly two weeks to come up with some sort of excuse and this is the crap he came up with? Surely, someone with Cipher's obvious flair for creative writing could have done better...

In all seriousness, this is such a sick and disgusting mess. Obviously this is difficult enough for WB--losing his mother and then having to deal with this. The sad truth is it will also be another red flag for the US to point at where online gambling is concerned, should this go to court...and it SHOULD.

WB--if indeed it is true that you're a city auditor, I'm guessing you would know some lawyers who can help point you in the best direction to get things rolling. PLEASE do this immediately. I would also urge you to suspend any and all discussions with Cipher and stop posting. Someone as cunning as Cipher will no doubt use your postings against you by manipulating words. The best thing to do is be smarter than Cipher and that shouldn't be all that difficult.

The sickest thing in all this is the notion that Cipher is seemingly getting off on all of this. His shocking behaviour and here-and-there postings are reminiscent of serial killers who write to newspapers, getting cheap thrills. It's generally a cry for attention and I can't help but imagine that Cipher has serious emotional issues. It seems obvious Cipher is getting some sort of sick thrill out of using the death of WB's mother as his scapegoat--as if to throw acid on WB's all-too-raw wounds.

Regardless as to whether Cipher is mentally ill or just a common piece-of-crap criminal, this matter needs to be resolved for WB monetarily and Cipher either needs to be locked away in a jail or a mental institution. Either destination, clearly, Cipher needs serious help and the public needs to be protected from him and others like him.

This should be a cautionary tale for all of us.
 

Simmo!

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Location
England
Cipher, let's not being posting anymore....fighting through the forums.

Honestly: I dont think that this thread is going to help westland and others from now on. We should seriously consider to close it and let lawyers and mirrors (sic) do the rest.

II have to agree on closing the thread...almost 10,000 views since Thursday. That says ALOT. I think it's gotten all the exposure it deserves, and we're just beating a dead horse from here on out.

I agree with you guys about closing the thread. It has served its purpose...

I think that time has come. I have been waiting (and waiting) for Cipher to come up with his side of the story but it's apparent that isn't going to happen. Instead it's starting to look like a legal issue and a thread like this, allowed to continue, could only harm Westland Bowl when it comes to legalities, IMO. Although I think the thread has served it's intended purpose very well.

As the OP requested it, thread closed. If the OP wishes it to be re-opened, it will be. Westland Bowl: I'd suggest you keep Bryan or myself updated as to the offline path this takes.

There are a couple of potentially good lessons in all of this..in my opinion as follows:

1) Know the person you trust with your money, especially when they are not a multi-faceted business
2) Always get a legally binding business agreement in such a case
3) Why would you ever buy a gambling system? If it was truly successful, why would they want to sell it and risk it being busted?


Cheers

Simmo!
 

Casinomeister

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Bierland
Perhaps this is another "Fall from Grace" award category for the 2007 awards? Cipher's spiral into the crap-pit of disgrace is unprecedented - worse than Steve "Adkins" even, and that's pretty bad.

Live by the sword - die by the sword as I always say.

I'm not going to get into how disturbed I am with Cipher's indifference he has towards WB and other's. His unapologetic attitude is alarming. Sure it's only money, but in this case it can be symbolic towards our compassion for others. It would have been a totally different situation if Cipher would had said, "Sorry dude, I messed up - here's x-amount of $$ to get you by until I get the rest...etc."

Instead - we are given blustery pseudo lawyer-speak. That's not very effective, nor is it good manners.

I think many of us are learning a lesson here. Unfortunately, it's via the School of Hard Knocks for some.

I agree with GG when she recommends that WB should discontinue posting on this matter. WB, I'll PM you about this.

It's always a sad day when I have to read about this crap. What a bummer.
 
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