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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by 5ta, Dec 24, 2015.

    Dec 24, 2015
  1. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

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    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    Let me just emphasise how incredible... I mean incredible
    But I actually mean INCREDIBLE however I should have said INCREDIBLE
    So that you get the idea, it is totally
    INCREDIBLE
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    Now, let's get technical with the word incredible :

    So there you have an official definition of the word showing it can be good or bad, but out of this world, nonetheless.

    Of course, to respect you as a possible customer, surely it's in a good way, I mean brilliant, like you would NEVER believe.

    No.

    Whatever you deposit as real money, gives you an extra 50% so £10 means you get £15 but all of it is then locked into a TWENTY times wagering req.

    Any pennies or pounds are locked into a TEN times wagering req.

    And any refund on losses has a wagering req of THIRTY times.

    I think these terms are an incredible insult and would never risk real money this way.

     
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  2. Dec 24, 2015
  3. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    well it isn't exactly Incredible.
    But it's not unreasonable.
    In fact the terms are better than those offered by a lot of CM accredited casinos

    20x D+B on a 50% bonus, is pretty average
    10x on the freespins is LOW
    30x on the cashback is pretty average
     
  4. Dec 24, 2015
  5. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    Of course it's unreasonable. For ease, let's look at the WR costings.

    £20 in = £30 x 20 = £600 spend before collect.
    The freespins have the obvious uncertainty so impossible to calculate but half the WR of the above..
    The return would be £5 x 30 = £150 spend before collect.

    This is a deal I would never entertain. I would go so far as to say it IS incredible, but in the negative sense. :thumbsup:
     
  6. Dec 24, 2015
  7. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    But the point I'm making, is that it the wagering is pretty much the same as ANY other casino
     
  8. Dec 24, 2015
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    No it's not. Slotsmagic 60xWR on free spins returns. Twice as shite. If bonus is 50% then 30xB and qualifying deposit is locked into bonus. The same. Yes, the advertising is almost hysterical about a pretty average deal, but unless you expect free cash from somewhere, or EV+ bonuses (nearly impossible nowadays) then apart from the stupid tone of the advert nothing to see here.....
     
  10. Dec 24, 2015
  11. shewoff

    shewoff Senior Member webby mm1

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    Here Here! dunover! I play at Slotocash alot! And i stopped playing the bonus,s that are offered to me a non-bonus player or should I say a player in a different group of player,s. they offer me a %100 bonus with a min. deposit of $50.00usd and the WT is way way out there? So even if I play the max bet it will take a long time to see the end and if I get there. then i have spent more than I would normally have cash out? And if I play the max then it is "GONE" in a matter of roll.s. I played a bonus that was really nice to see from them $334.50 and the WT was $3500.00 I played $2.00 bet,s for a few hour,s and ended up with only a small win of $150.00 I would have cashed out at $2500.00 if i had my way?Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff​
     

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  12. Dec 24, 2015
  13. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    That is entirely what I think

    Yes, it's nothing unique is it

    It's like you are reading my mind.

    Ok, unfair quoting some may think but with the greatest of respect, and I have read many posts of yours on here, if we can go beyond breaking up the quotes I totally agree. I can feel people booing me off stage so I will apologise (sorry dunover)... but

    The last time I went to a real arcade (QS) the deal was to put in £10 and they put in £10 and you must play the full credit off and keep the remaining funds. We do see bonuses like that, at online casinos and those, to me, are average bonuses. Whether one or every casino does them, is irrelevant because sometimes the majority is wrong. True bonuses are usually attached to deposits, yes, but not actually tied into them. We moan about that all the time but the ones we like and rate are exampled as "stake £10, get £5 free" where stake always means to play off £10 of credit once and free means that £5 has no chains and shackles at all.

    I am only baited by true bonuses and no deposit bonuses with WR and occasionally I will take a matched deposit bonus that has 5% WR. Of course, 300% DB with 20x WR looks a lot more appealing but not something I have ever done because of one reason, I can hit a nice win 20 quid in and never see it. That's why I play sometimes... 20 quid to blow on the chance of winning 50, as an example.

    If you think all that's bad, wait til you see my thoughts on "responsible gambling" and "we want you to enjoy your time and have fun" advocacy vs gambling addiction, hungry children and suicide rates. Except it's a debate I am literally afraid to start due to the industry's core goal
     
  14. Dec 24, 2015
  15. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    That's a great point but what are the chances of making that deposit with no bonus and if you do hit that win mid play, you actually can keep it. :thumbsup:

    I for one would rather put in £30 totally mine than £20 + £10 not mine for £600 of must play credits. I can in theory hit a £570 win and never see it.
     
  16. Dec 25, 2015
  17. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    I think you prefer the 'feed-in' bonus that is not front-loaded (i.e. the bonus is fed in as cash increments as you meet WR and you can withdraw at any time like at Virgin or Trada) or the non-tied bonus whereby you play cash first and can withdraw at any time if the bonus funds aren't touched but at the same time you cash wagers are contributing to converting the bonus.

    Unfortunately these are a minority today and most sites yoke your cash with conversion to bonus funds as you deposit. Most people don't do the math and thus fail to realize what a bad EV- they are in the main.

    As for your second point, there are huge casualties in the world of gaming addiction. The online sites are happy to allow the awful FOBTs to take the flak and negative publicity and we all know there is a limit to how many drugs or bottles one can take in a day, but a person can literally change their life overnight in one gambling session which could take years to pay off. That is what deposit limits are for. If you check this forum there are a number of 'regulars' who have suddenly come clean, admitted the catastrophic damage online gaming has done financially and have been moved to the non-gambler's board.

    I'd hazard a guess there are regulars on here that are in credit card or loan debt, or whom have blown assets as a result of their 'entertainment'. Go to any amusement arcade or bingo hall or B&M casino and I'd suggest a substantial part of their revenue is from addicts. That's the 'great unsaid' which is never quantified and always played down.

    If people are determined to punt, despite casinos' attempts at RG, they will always do so.
     
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  18. Dec 25, 2015
  19. shewoff

    shewoff Senior Member webby mm1

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    dunover your experience shine,s thru.:notworthy It is only with the experience of many year,s both good and bad that a player can be honest and see the limitation,s of gambling in all method,s of play. I salute you and your honest thought,s and true vision of the gaming world. We have all been there and I for one wish that some had never happened.And it is the life changing win that "ALL" player,s hope for? And I have had some run,s that changed my life in the short term. And may have been spending TOO much and not having anything to fall back on and kicking myself for the action,s. It is far too easy to get wrapped up in the moment and ruin your,s and all people around you live,s. Thank You dunover! Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff​
     

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