Changed the way i slot, now cant think of a reason to lowball?

sigothx1

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Location
England
Title is my question, lets rewind 12 months, i was the defintion of a low baller, £1 spins+ wasnt even part of my thinking, i played 15/20/30/45p spins and what would be would be, However, for say, the last 6-8 months my gambling style has changed drastically, And now i sit here wondering why i ever low balled? Over an extended period of time, yes you get more playtime for low balling, but surely, SURELY you dont get the same results? These days i wont look at anything under 70ishp a spin, yes i bust alot, But over the last 6 months, ive cashed sums that actually make a diffrence to me, lets say i low ball and hit "big" for £2-300 great, id withdraw and be happy, however these days, i tend to spin around £1-3 per spin, and when i hit a big win, it actually is, a big win. Meaning ive had several £5-1000 withdraws ( have a £544 one pending now as it happens, aswell as a £175 and a £420 from 3 diffent sites ) and i scratch my head as to why i ever slotted low ball in the first place.

Now, dont get me wrong here, wagering requirements are a diffrent fish alltogether, im a massive fan of lowballing a low varience slot to meet wagering, but the purpose of this topic disreguards wagering, maybe it was just me, but even when i played for fun with no bonus i only ever played 20-50p a spin, maybe im just a moron who did this for a long period of time when everyone else doesnt, but its what i did.

the main meat of this topic is, disreguaridng bonus, why would anyone low roll if there looking for a profit?
 

just play

closed account
Joined
Jan 27, 2006
Location
USA
why would anyone low roll if there looking for a profit

To kill time on a Saturday night. :D

I'm not necessarily looking for a profit when I play, I'm looking to play. Do I get mad when I lose, of course, but I get more mad when I can only play for 20-30 minutes.

When low rolling, you can always raise your bets when you hit something.

People gamble for different reasons. Great topic for discussion. :thumbsup:
 

rshkrn

Experienced Member
PABnoaccred
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Location
Asia
the main meat of this topic is, disreguaridng bonus, why would anyone low roll if there looking for a profit?

cos they may be happy with a small profit...!!

there are plenty of players who deposit 25$ and low roll with the goal of hitting 75/100 and cashing out....

Like you very rightly said over time your own gambling style will evolve for the better or worse and new patterns will emerge.....
 

miso

Meister Member
MM
Joined
Mar 27, 2012
Location
Ireland
I definitely adjust my bets to my balance. That`s why I play min bet with less than €50.
Double that with less than 100, and so on.
I used to play €1 spins or more all the time, and busted out before I finished my coffee.
 

mrmark21

Dormant Account
Joined
Nov 13, 2012
Location
australia
Or if your like me and can't seem to win anything decent (and I do say decent) on MG or Netent then you will quite happily settle for some play time. TBH I don't see the point in betting more (or for that matter spending more) when your going to lose anyway. I mean sure if you won something decent occasionally then yes but not when you lose all the time that would be silly.

I spend more and bet more on Playtech because I've done much better there than any other platform. Whereas I've taken a 180 day break from MG and Netent. I'd only ever bet under one buck on MG or Netent but I quite regularly find myself betting up to $3.50 on Playtech.
 

Balthazar

The Governor
Joined
Aug 14, 2012
Location
Woodbury
I'm a low roller and I play almost exclusively high variance slots. I find myself regularly in a position to cashout (balance over 5x deposit).

Now it depends how much you deposit as well. Most of my deposits are in the $20 to $50 range, but I tend to deposit several times during a session, often playing different casinos in one night. The way I do it, it works but you need a lot of cashout discipline (which I kind of lack sometimes).

$25 deposit at Guts earlier tonight, topped at $190+ (nearly 8x deposit) and didn't withdraw a penny. That's unacceptable in my book.
 

dunover

Unofficial T&C's Editor
Staff member
webmeister
PABnonaccred
PABnononaccred
CAG
mm3
Joined
May 22, 2012
Location
the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
I suppose the middle ground is to use a small deposit with 'lowball' stakes to build into a position whereby you can raise stakes and have a chance of a significant withdrawal. This is what I tend to do, it works half the time, the other half I bust. But I still get some gameplay. My two deposits this weekend - £14 on LaVida, withdrawal £50. £10 on Major Tom, bust. So I have made £26, and am happy with that.
 

Balthazar

The Governor
Joined
Aug 14, 2012
Location
Woodbury
I suppose the middle ground is to use a small deposit with 'lowball' stakes to build into a position whereby you can raise stakes and have a chance of a significant withdrawal.

I usually raise my stakes -a little- but not much. What I tend to do after a good win is to play games that are fun but too dangerous to play with a small bankroll (a few Netent games come to mind here), which is a very bad habit.
 

bigjohn

Dormant account
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Northeast Coastal USA
My bet sizes are directly related to my initial deposit size. I always allow for 100 bets, disregarding wins. $100 in, $1.00 bets. $25 in, $0.25 bets. I pretty much stick to that throughout the session.

Does it work good?

No, but I'm having fun.
 

aceking123

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Location
uk
randomness has no bearing on what stakes you play, what machine you play or any other fact , the only fact is what you can afford to lose , all players make the choices wether it be small stakes on low bank or high stakes on small bank roll, happy medium is best imo,

but it realy boils down to what you from from playing, playtime with small profit? or money with big profit ? if your going for the latter then your going to bust out pretty damn quickly on most deposits made , so get it in your mind you might of just poured a beer to play but it could well be done before youve had your second sip)

play at a level where you feel is right & never break the golden rule of losing what you cannot afford too :thumbsup:
 

osulle

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
CAG
mm1
mm4
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Location
In my head
randomness has no bearing on what stakes you play, what machine you play or any other fact , the only fact is what you can afford to lose , all players make the choices wether it be small stakes on low bank or high stakes on small bank roll, happy medium is best imo,

but it realy boils down to what you from from playing, playtime with small profit? or money with big profit ? if your going for the latter then your going to bust out pretty damn quickly on most deposits made , so get it in your mind you might of just poured a beer to play but it could well be done before youve had your second sip)

play at a level where you feel is right & never break the golden rule of losing what you cannot afford too :thumbsup:
Excellent advice:notworthy Up to recently my average bet on a MG slot was between 1 to 1.50, on Netent it was 1.00, I play very little playtech but when I played it was 1-1.50 per bet and 1 to 1.25 per bet on RTG. My average bankroll was between 100-150 mostly on bonuses to extend playtime and because I have a small gambling budget I had some success (except with RTG).
I have been spending time watching Chopley's videos and saw that he can be pretty successful low rolling and that is when the lightbulb went off in my head. If I stick to smaller bets I can get more playtime and possibly more cashouts. So far it has been working out so on MG I now bet 0.60 per spin, 0.50 or so at Netent. I am able to cashout a little more often. They are smaller withdrawals but I am happy with that. My small budget now lasts much longer for me and I am having more fun:)
 

sigothx1

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Location
England
Very interesting, i notice a lot of you deposit sums like $25-50 that's just something i couldn't/wouldn't do, over the last say 6 months my lowest deposits are say £75ish, when i deposit i tend to put between £1-300 on a site, however i never re-deposit, so if i bust i bust and i walk away as it were. Don't get me wrong im not a rich guy, but when i deposit i want enough of a bankroll to wait out a decent hit playing on a meaningful stake, depositing $25 and withdrawing $50 doesn't really give me any appeal, id rather put £100 on and withdraw £2-3-400.

I find it hard to belive people play just for the playtime and not a profit, if that was the case, why not just play freeplay mode? You get as much play time as you like and you dont lose a thing, Again, dont get me wrong, when i deposit a largeish chunk i expect and hope i get a good few hours playtime, but the goal always is and has been to withdraw more than i put in, or i wouldn't do it.

very interesting to see other peoples styles :)
 

aceking123

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Location
uk
I find it hard to belive people play just for the playtime and not a profit, if that was the case, why not just play freeplay mode? You get as much play time as you like and you dont lose a thing, Again, dont get me wrong, when i deposit a largeish chunk i expect and hope i get a good few hours playtime, but the goal always is and has been to withdraw more than i put in, or i wouldn't do it.

very interesting to see other peoples styles :)[/QUOTE]

why would you think that? theres a big difference in playing fun mode than real . its about the winning & playtime ,you realy couldnt give a toss whilst playing in fun mode plus you can have whatever bank roll you want ( great for testing new slots ), hence to why people arnt realy that bothered about playing for fun .

we all get chances of cashing out but just sometimes your having great playtime & get carried away or just dont want to stop playing , if i was strict with myself all the time & had a % of a goal i could do very well , but theres no fun in that ( for me ) sometimes it isnt about what you cashout its about a 100 quid deposit & four hours of gaming for the evening or what you can afford to lose , plently of times ive dropped 50 quid in got upto 300 or so but didnt bother stopping & gave it all back ,( my choice ) that little devil sometimes does show its head for greed nothing more nothing less )
 

sigothx1

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Location
England
I can see the appeal i guess, more playtime makes you think "well, atleast i had a good few hours slotting" i get that, However, personally id rather deposit say £100, play for 5 minuets and withdraw £200 than play for 4 hours and bust, becuase id think "well, ive won now and my next deposit will be in essence free, maybe ill get to play longer"
 

aceking123

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Location
uk
I can see the appeal i guess, more playtime makes you think "well, atleast i had a good few hours slotting" i get that, However, personally id rather deposit say £100, play for 5 minuets and withdraw £200 than play for 4 hours and bust, becuase id think "well, ive won now and my next deposit will be in essence free, maybe ill get to play longer"

well theres your answer your playing purely for profit & what you can make from the casino ) i tend to withdraw when ive had enough & take what winnings ive got for my next three or four etc etc deposits )
 

osulle

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
CAG
mm1
mm4
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Location
In my head
I can see the appeal i guess, more playtime makes you think "well, atleast i had a good few hours slotting" i get that, However, personally id rather deposit say £100, play for 5 minuets and withdraw £200 than play for 4 hours and bust, becuase id think "well, ive won now and my next deposit will be in essence free, maybe ill get to play longer"
If that is what you like I say good luck to you however betting higher stakes will bust you out 90% of the time unless you are playing with a bankroll of lets say 500. Sometimes it takes over 1000 spins on a slot before it gives back over 100x win. I can see the point of raising the stakes if you have raised your bankroll to a decent amount but not straight out the gate.
I'd rather lose in 4 hours than in 5 minutes (that would piss me off). Just out of curiosity how often do you cashout using your method?
Cheers
 

mrmark21

Dormant Account
Joined
Nov 13, 2012
Location
australia
You guys get 4 hours playing time from a $100 deposit? Lucky! The last time I played Netent (ever) I deposited $100 ordered Domino's sat down at my laptop ready for some serious play time. Lost that $100 in under 30 minutes playing 50c bets. I finished my pizza and proceeded to close every single one of my Netent accounts, was an easy thing to do considering my absolutely terrible experience on Netent. Whenever I'm tempted to reopen I just think back to that fateful day thank my lucky stars and proceed to play fun mode. Who would have guessed something so crappy would result in something so good namely me keeping my cash ;)

But I just don't understand how you guys do it? Could you spare some tips? I still play the odd NDB at MG casinos and could use some help in that department. I'm actually playing one right now won $1.85 on the free spins on TS2 on a 30 cent bet.
 

aceking123

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Location
uk
You guys get 4 hours playing time from a $100 deposit? Lucky! The last time I played Netent (ever) I deposited $100 ordered Domino's sat down at my laptop ready for some serious play time. Lost that $100 in under 30 minutes playing 50c bets. I finished my pizza and proceeded to close every single one of my Netent accounts, was an easy thing to do considering my absolutely terrible experience on Netent. Whenever I'm tempted to reopen I just think back to that fateful day thank my lucky stars and proceed to play fun mode. Who would have guessed something so crappy would result in something so good namely me keeping my cash ;)

But I just don't understand how you guys do it? Could you spare some tips? I still play the odd NDB at MG casinos and could use some help in that department. I'm actually playing one right now won $1.85 on the free spins on TS2 on a 30 cent bet.

hi marky .to be honest i dont get four hours play everytime i play but i do see the hour mark fairly often & the two hour mark aswell , i doubt i could sit here for 4 hours on my bum playing , theres where i do better in bricks & mortar can do 4 hours np 0

concerning games its kind a pick & mix for me sometimes i drop a 100 or 50 in & play at 50 -1.50 stakes fairly high depends on wether i want game time , game time is for me bottom stakes as low as 9p, if its playing without doubt i crank the bets up if i see a long patch of nothing i reduce & move on , this seems to work very well, i would not advise anyone how to play on the forum any longer because your just get a mouthful from it , all i can say is im willing to pm you with the slots i play alot with mixed results & some good playtime , but as with all gambling & software there never going to be gospel winning way , as there all random )
 

mrmark21

Dormant Account
Joined
Nov 13, 2012
Location
australia
hi marky .to be honest i dont get four hours play everytime i play but i do see the hour mark fairly often & the two hour mark aswell , i doubt i could sit here for 4 hours on my bum playing , theres where i do better in bricks & mortar can do 4 hours np 0

concerning games its kind a pick & mix for me sometimes i drop a 100 or 50 in & play at 50 -1.50 stakes fairly high depends on wether i want game time , game time is for me bottom stakes as low as 9p, if its playing without doubt i crank the bets up if i see a long patch of nothing i reduce & move on , this seems to work very well, i would not advise anyone how to play on the forum any longer because your just get a mouthful from it , all i can say is im willing to pm you with the slots i play alot with mixed results & some good playtime , but as with all gambling & software there never going to be gospel winning way , as there all random )

Thanks for the advice :) Yes I can imagine, I'd consider myself to be on an uber super duper lucky streak to see the two hour mark, I'd probably still be playing if one of my deposits managed to get me two hours play time.

I also play the slots for entertainment. I've found that the lower my bet is the less excitement I get out of playing so it's a catch 22. I like the thrill of the chase that's entertainment to me. I'd play Live Black Jack on higher bets if I was looking to make a profit.

Yes I understand, I'll send you a PM, maybe I'll be able to get some decent play time out of my next NDB (the one that I just played was at Cyber Club Casino).
 

mimi26

Meister Member
Joined
May 17, 2012
Location
uk
I always start at 45p per spin, then increase as balance increases, tahts how I won my £13k :D
 

sigothx1

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Location
England
If that is what you like I say good luck to you however betting higher stakes will bust you out 90% of the time unless you are playing with a bankroll of lets say 500. Sometimes it takes over 1000 spins on a slot before it gives back over 100x win. I can see the point of raising the stakes if you have raised your bankroll to a decent amount but not straight out the gate.
I'd rather lose in 4 hours than in 5 minutes (that would piss me off). Just out of curiosity how often do you cashout using your method?
Cheers

its not a method, more of a play style, id say i withdraw just as much as any other player, And yes we all know slots can run cold, and logic says if your betting bigger and the slot is cold you'll bust quicker, thats a risk i take, but dont get me wrong, if i deposit say 200, i wont be playing £10 spins, more likely £2-3, if i bust quickly then that's the way it goes, but if the slot hits just once, the win could mean a withdrawal, where as if your spinning at 2-50p, 200x is nice, but with-drawable? not to me. when i hit 200x on £3 spins, then it starts getting tasty.

i disagree with the whole "90% of the time" thats for sure, i get the same RTP you get, i just have less variables to see that rtp over the course of time, however when that rtp is in my favor, i get a nice solid withdrawal.
 

osulle

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
CAG
mm1
mm4
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Location
In my head
its not a method, more of a play style, id say i withdraw just as much as any other player, And yes we all know slots can run cold, and logic says if your betting bigger and the slot is cold you'll bust quicker, thats a risk i take, but dont get me wrong, if i deposit say 200, i wont be playing £10 spins, more likely £2-3, if i bust quickly then that's the way it goes, but if the slot hits just once, the win could mean a withdrawal, where as if your spinning at 2-50p, 200x is nice, but with-drawable? not to me. when i hit 200x on £3 spins, then it starts getting tasty.

i disagree with the whole "90% of the time" thats for sure, i get the same RTP you get, i just have less variables to see that rtp over the course of time, however when that rtp is in my favor, i get a nice solid withdrawal.

Fair enough point taken. I have played it both ways, in the past I would bet higher on a 200 bankroll and did have some spectacular wins and cashouts although they are rarer. Now I rarely have a bankroll that big to start out with so I have become a low roller. My average bet size is .60 on a 243 way and .50 on a 25 line slot. I am having cashouts more often albeit they are smaller but these do add up. Last week I withdrew 300 on a 50 deposit at Betsafe lowrolling on WMS slots and a couple of Netent. That is 5x times deposit which is fine by me. So yes a couple of 200x wins at 50p does become a withdrawable amount.

Each player has a different pattern of betting and its all about the comfort zone I guess. With higher bets on a 200 bankroll I busted out about 90% of the time so maybe its me doing something wrong. I am gad that is not the case for you.

Its interesting to see how other slot players manage their bankrolls. We are all in it to win it so to speak. Hopefully we are having a little fun on the way.
 

nisosbar

Ueber Meister
PABnonaccred
Joined
Aug 28, 2009
Location
Right here
I always start at 45p per spin, then increase as balance increases, tahts how I won my £13k :D

I've never cashed out THAT, lol, but I agree that the amount which you deposit does not need to be material as to what you cash out. For whatever reason, my best sessions have been on $50 deposits, betting $1/spin. That's a VERY high portion of my bankroll, and thus, I bust out most of the time, but when I'm having a heater, it can really grow.
 

sigothx1

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Location
England
Fair enough point taken. I have played it both ways, in the past I would bet higher on a 200 bankroll and did have some spectacular wins and cashouts although they are rarer. Now I rarely have a bankroll that big to start out with so I have become a low roller. My average bet size is .60 on a 243 way and .50 on a 25 line slot. I am having cashouts more often albeit they are smaller but these do add up. Last week I withdrew 300 on a 50 deposit at Betsafe lowrolling on WMS slots and a couple of Netent. That is 5x times deposit which is fine by me. So yes a couple of 200x wins at 50p does become a withdrawable amount.

Each player has a different pattern of betting and its all about the comfort zone I guess. With higher bets on a 200 bankroll I busted out about 90% of the time so maybe its me doing something wrong. I am gad that is not the case for you.

Its interesting to see how other slot players manage their bankrolls. We are all in it to win it so to speak. Hopefully we are having a little fun on the way.

The funniest part of it all, is i agree with you. There is countless times i think, Well ive just blown £1-200 and not seen a feature or my bankroll has lasted 15 mins, and i tend to think "why didnt i just lowball atleast to get some action" But then there is other times ill fire up immortal romance at £2.40 a spin, hit the bonus for 100x in 10 spins and think "thank god i wasnt on 30p" If you slot at higher stakes fast bust outs are part of the thrill, i dont want to hit a slot for 500x when im on 50p i want to hit it at £2, I think it comes down to what your comfortable with, Tonight for emxaple i have £124 to play with, ( 24 being a special number to me ) and i think ill lowball, im bored and want some excitement, so im in the process of looking for a 100% match, but if i happen to bet big ill re-post what happens.
 
Top