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GrandMaster

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When I started gambling online before 2000, it was exciting and really nothing more then a great convenience to have a casino in my office or home with the simple click of a mouse. Of course rigged was always a fearful thought at first, but after a few nice hits and getting paid the confidence level rose and before you new it, I became a VIP at 2 of the 3 different sites I played at. No one was offering bonuses at the time as far as I knew, or maybe I was just to busy sticking to my two or three sites never looking else where.
You were not looking hard enough. The late 1990s and early 2000s were the golden age of bonus hunting, with generous bonuses with 1x WR.
 

4 of a kind

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You were not looking hard enough. The late 1990s and early 2000s were the golden age of bonus hunting, with generous bonuses with 1x WR.

How I started online gaming was, I actually was given a list of online casinos from a friend and some crazy system on how to make $200.00 profit and stop at each one per week. Of course after my first attempt I realized he was nuts. So I just went down the list downloading one at a time, and eventually picked my favorite sites and stuck with them, along with playing what I enjoyed my way.

I never knew about bonuses being offered for years being content with anywhere between 2 and 4k monthly totally cash-able cash-backs along with several perks. I also recall some of my biggest hits coming while playing on their cash back.


Also KK, have you ever been bonus banned at any sites you play at??
 

skiny

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I know everyone's getting tired of hearing this, but please if you honestly think casinos adjust the RTP to compensate for offering bonuses then please just stop playing online now.


The RTP is adjusted to compensate for everything. Every well run company has an expected short term and long term profit margin and expected growth. Casinos are selling us the odds that we can win and earning money off the players that don't.

Casinos don't gamble. Players do.
 

silcnlayc

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Funeral reminded me of the very first casino I played at 10 yrs ago? It was Palace of Chance, they offered $25 chip for sign up,
My first one was 4 Roses...guess who that was?? And they paid ALL the time back then..

Great thread...memory lane is not fiction, it happened...I was there and I remember! OMG...too funny...I was there...
I never knew about bonuses being offered for years
Me either! I NEVER knew they gave them back in my days..I knew about those freebie cash drops in the accounts, gifts etc..but a bonus? With a wagering requirement.?? If you asked me back in the ealry 90's..I would have said.."HUH" ..what's THAT??

LMAO as I read these posts..great input...now I must get back to todays world and figure out where my glass is !!! (the full or empty post reminded me of looking for it)... :lolup:

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4 of a kind

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If I didn't use bonuses I wouldn't know when to stop. In fact, why stop ever unless I was quitting gambling? What is the point of EVER cashing out if you are only going to deposit again later without taking a bonus?
Seriously, what is the point? KK

First of all a serious experienced gambler does know when to stop, or realizes he or she might over do it and takes measures to control it. I once had approved large markers at 3 casinos in A.C. One weekend I lost all 3 of them at each of the casinos. You want to talk about a rude awakening that Monday morning. These markers hit my bank in 35 days and all at once. This is when I realized I was out of control, and from that point forward always took precautions making certain there was a predetermined limit I could lose. Of course the first thing I did was close all the markers down.

Actually it's been written that a professional gambler calls it a day when he's up 15% of his starting bankroll. I've fallen victim many times when I knew it was time to quit but carried on till I went bust. But, this usually happens when I feel I'm not up enough to warrant a cash out and I'm looking for more entertainment with the hopes of the major spike and decent cash-out, although inside I had the losing feeling. If I followed that 15% rule I would be in great shape today, but my sessions could never be long enough for my gambling needs.

I've cashed out several times in the past and reversed half of it instead of depositing fresh cash. Yet, most of the times I will just deposit new cash never touching the cash-out which in turn helps keep me in better control.

When I deposit lets say $500.00 dollars and get my butt kicked quickly, I'll respect the lose and be reluctant to make another deposit realizing it's not feeling like a good day. I've come to realize that lost reversals hurt much more then fresh deposits and now treat them as sacred. In addition another tactic I use for control is I now only use netSpend for deposits, and only load my card with cash. Let's say I load $1,000.00 on it, and immediately lose $500.00, if I want to play in the morning I won't chase my losses with another deposit knowing I can't reload again till 9am the next day. When I use to deposit with a separate checking account debit card just for online gaming, I would always deposit into that account certain amounts that would force me to control my gambling deposits. It took me most of my gambling career to respect what money I do have to risk, but still need to use certain tactics to help keep me in control.

So, their are several ways to control the gambling fever, and a smart gambler knows how to do it. With usually 5 to 10 days before withdrawals actually become cash in hand again, especially for U.S. players, it's fun knowing those funds will get to you and get entered into your records reducing your losses, making reversals harder to do. When my cash outs hit Q.T. I immediately click it off to wired plastic making sure not to deposit from Q.T.

But the main reason I don't like or use bonuses, is if I hit that 20k royal flush, or hit a random for 10k, it's all mine.

If I hit a huge jackpot and was only able to get a few hundred of it, I would do a swan dive on a razor sharp knife, and one side with a razor sharp jagged edge pointing upwards being certain I never gamble again.
 
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Mavin1

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If these casinos are now a low rollers paradise, then surely that is not a bad thing considering most players would fit into that category.

IMO harking back to the old days and how it was all so rosy back then, is nothing more than nostalgia. A trip down memory lane, reminiscing over big wins of yesteryear, convincing yourself that it was all so different back in the day.

There is more choice than ever now, more games than ever, faster payouts than ever, better software than ever, more bonuses than ever. Players also have past experiences to fall back on as well. There are many positives. The way some players go on about the demise of online gaming does make you wonder why they bother even playing now, if their past v present experiences are so radically different.
Mike

Although I do agree to a point as to what you say, I also dissagree because of being in the US and our choices are not the same as yours for instance being in the UK. I'm pretty sure if we still had the variety of casino platforms as the rest of the world then we would not be so bitchy all the time. Keep in mind we were able to keep Microgamming, but lost many of the games we were accustomed to playing plus the new releases they come out with and totally zero progressives at these casinos we still play.
We had the taste of casinos like Intercasino, Wagerworks, Lasseters and so much more. Our choices like yours was endless. Now we are out on the street with the entry doors locked and can only peek into the window of the casinos that we once were welcomed in and partook of all their offerings. We could hear the sounds see the sites, join in and was a part of it all. Our hearts are broken and our wounds are deep. So if we grumble and complain, just remember that it mostly stems from what we had and what we know we have lost.
Sure there are still the bonuses, but just read the feedback from so many about bonuses and T&C'S, how they are getting pretty serious and changing all the time and what groups are mostly being complained about for these changes, Rival and RTG, two of the four choices we have to play at. What does a person need, a law degree to be able to stay on top of it all just to enjoy spending a little time and money on something we all enjoy?
So having all these great offerings are not so great when looking at them from this continent.
If you had this really cherry classic mustang and your dad gave it to your cousin and you saw him driving it all over the place, you would be bummed everytime you saw it pass by, knowing that once it was yours. You would still want to own that car again or one like it, so you shop around looking for that cherry classic mustang that gave you the same feeling of wind in your hair and freedom on the road. The casino thing is much the same for many of us who enjoy it. We complain because of what we had and just want it back again. All the choices, all the variety, all the sites and sounds that dazzled us for so long. It is sad to only see the dust rising from the road rather than to see your special car driving down that road with you in it.
 

Simmo!

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Although I do agree to a point as to what you say, I also dissagree because of being in the US and our choices are not the same as yours for instance being in the UK. I'm pretty sure if we still had the variety of casino platforms as the rest of the world then we would not be so bitchy all the time.

Good point IMO. Not only because of the variety you get with Playtech, MG and Crypto games in the mix, but because USA gamblers are now at the mercy of a few operators, some good, others not so good.

Before the UIGEA you could be sure of finding really solid, reputable operators and could pick and choose to find one that was exactly what you wanted. The UIGEA had the effect of forcing 95% of the safe casinos to pull out of the market. From a political standpoint they were obviously trying and keep the money in the USA but in order to do that were prepared to sacrifice the safety of a small section of the public. I'm sure without the UIGEA this topic wouldn't even be here.
 

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Also KK, have you ever been bonus banned at any sites you play at??
Yes; In the "early days" at Omni Casino and Littlewoods (Both were Cryptos at the time), and at Windows (RTG).
I also seem to be totally banned at all Club World Casinos due to a mistake they made in their T&Cs.
I have also been bonus banned at about 3 or 4 Rivals without even ever playing at them :eek2:, and at Irish Luck (also Rival) for cashing out $2,550 from a $200 deposit + bonus. That is just totally moronic to me; no bonuses = no deposits = no chance of them EVER winning that money back from me. :what:
I still seem to be OK at the vast majority of other Rivals though, despite being lifetime up with Rivals as a whole.

KK
 

love2winalot

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calls it a day when he's up 15% of his starting bankroll


Hiya: Yes, that is pretty darn close, although mine is a little less than that. It actually come down to this, "If i get up by 10-15%, how hard was it to do?" If i kept going down, then back to even, then down, then back to even, and so on, I just quit for the day. However, it is a different story, if i got, "Lucky", and won several bets in a row, right at the beginning. I could make $100 profit on my $1000 bankroll in just a few spins. Now what do I do? This was not suppose to happen this fast. So i end up sticking with the Plan, and usually end up winning more than i set out to do. But once in a while, i give the eary winnings back, then go down & up, and end up back where i started at.......:oops:

To answer KK question, as to why to Cash out if your are just going to deposit again? I, and others, only cash out a profit of x2 the starting bankroll. Thus giving me a break even deal, even if i now lost the initial bankroll left in the Casino. However, the actual goal is to x2 the bankroll again. Now i cash it out, and I have a 100% profit, as a Min. no matter what happens..........

But there is another reason, that I will cash out all of it. "TO SPEND IT".....:cool:
There are things i can point at and say, "The Casino paid for this, or the Casino paid for that". imhop this is Important. This is the reassurance to remind yourself that those Losing streaks do come to an end. This is the answewr to the question, "What is the point?" To spend it is the point. I will sometimes go over a month with no money in any Casino.
 

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But the main reason I don't like or use bonuses, is if I hit that 20k royal flush, or hit a random for 10k, it's all mine.

If I hit a huge jackpot and was only able to get a few hundred of it, I would do a swan dive on a razor sharp knife, and one side with a razor sharp jagged edge pointing upwards being certain I never gamble again.

Yeppers!

Simmo!: Before the UIGEA you could be sure of finding really solid, reputable operators and could pick and choose to find one that was exactly what you wanted. The UIGEA had the effect of forcing 95% of the safe casinos to pull out of the market. From a political standpoint they were obviously trying and keep the money in the USA but in order to do that were prepared to sacrifice the safety of a small section of the public. I'm sure without the UIGEA this topic wouldn't even be here.

Exactly. Prohibition always has this effect - the good quality resources disappear and the door opens to a lot of fly by night outfits. We can be lucky to have some good operators remaining at all!
 

Simmo!

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Yeppers!



Exactly. Prohibition always has this effect - the good quality resources disappear and the door opens to a lot of fly by night outfits.

And it's not all bad news. Without the UIGEA we wouldn't have the Ministering Angel and Jackpots Heaven sagas to brighten up our days :D
 

Wildfire7

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4 of a kind

IMO without question you write some very interesting posts, and are one of my favourite contributors on this forum. But you have to accept that when I am expressing my own personal views, they may well clash with other peoples views.

Reading your response to my post I could be forgiven for thinking you somehow feel I am belittling your views and dismissing what matters to you regarding the current state of the industry.

On the contrary, I prefer to take a more balanced view and try and see things from both sides. I certainly do not make posts designed to upset other members, for me personally this would be a futile exercise and a complete waste of my time.

This entire topic boils down to one thing, players bemoaning the fact they are not winning. Well thats nothing new. That is the way it has always been and always will be, if a player wants a hobby that makes money then sell tea cosys on Ebay or something!

Mike
 

dominique

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For US players, things have been continuously getting worse. Players from other countries may not see it that way at all.

If all the casinos available in the UK were also available in the US, US players may display a whole different attitude.
 

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But there is another reason, that I will cash out all of it. "TO SPEND IT".....:cool:
There are things i can point at and say, "The Casino paid for this, or the Casino paid for that". imhop this is Important. This is the reassurance to remind yourself that those Losing streaks do come to an end. This is the answewr to the question, "What is the point?" To spend it is the point. I will sometimes go over a month with no money in any Casino.

Hmmm. That's an interesting method. I should try that. :thumbsup: Like, buy a pretty little crystal zebra or elephant or something, put it next to my monitor so I can see it, and when I'm having a bad day, 'well, that little zebra is from a good day'. :)

I guess screenshots I've saved also serve that purpose.
 

jetset

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Good point IMO. Not only because of the variety you get with Playtech, MG and Crypto games in the mix, but because USA gamblers are now at the mercy of a few operators, some good, others not so good.

Before the UIGEA you could be sure of finding really solid, reputable operators and could pick and choose to find one that was exactly what you wanted. The UIGEA had the effect of forcing 95% of the safe casinos to pull out of the market. From a political standpoint they were obviously trying and keep the money in the USA but in order to do that were prepared to sacrifice the safety of a small section of the public. I'm sure without the UIGEA this topic wouldn't even be here.

And the worst thing about this is that the lawmakers were repeatedly warned that this is what would happen!
 

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"There is more choice than ever now, more games than ever, faster payouts than ever, better software than ever, more bonuses than ever. Players also have past experiences to fall back on as well. There are many positives. The way some players go on about the demise of online gaming does make you wonder why they bother even playing now, if their past v present experiences are so radically different."


Ah we'd bitch if they hung us with a new rope. :D
 
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Simmo!

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That's true enough :D Actually everyone needs a good moan every now and again - it clears the tubes!

One thing I admire though is people, usually casinos, that realise you can turn a potentially negative situation into a positive one. 32Red are masters of this and there are quite a few others who know how to take a bitch thread and turn it to their advantage.

The trick I guess is to look at the OP and the responses/general opinion, consider the issue from both sides and deal with it diplomatically. Sometimes it's a case of initially just judging what people want to hear to control the tide of pessimism, and then using that as a start point to manoeuver your way through the situation towards a positive conclusion.

I find it immensely frustrating when I see an opportunity like this missed, normally a relatively simple problem exacerbated by the target of the complaint because they fail to see the potential for not only showing that they can deal with a complaint effecively but also for improving their profile.

Watching a negative thread actually achieve something positive is satisfying (to me anyway!).
 

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